AS users, opinion of natural bodybuilders

[JOKER47]

Actually, steroids do make it easier.

If you train in a half-assed manner you will do better with steroids than without. That's the problem. Too many people let the drugs do everything, so when they don't get the results they want, they up the dosages instead of busting their ass in the gym.

I really have to disagree. I have done 2 cycles of AAS myself. I got no gains from them. (Unless you count acne.) Reason? My training and diet were not up to par.

I have since been clean for over a year taking the time to re-evaluate my training and diet. In that year, I gained 10lbs, my arms gained a 1/2in, and all lifts have increased dramatically.

I made a bad choice and tried AAS before I was ready. I learned my lesson. Will I try it again? Most likely. But not until I have taken the advice of very experienced lifters on this board and proved I can make gains WITHOUT AAS! If you can't make gains without it, you won't make any with it.

AAS DOES NOT MAKE IT EASIER. It adds that little something extra when you have already reached your genetic potential.

.02,
Joker

 

[Nelson Montana]

JOKER: You completely misinterpreted what I said, but I'm not going to explain myself. As far as your last statement that sterods add something once you've reached your genetic potential is the way they SHOULD be used, and it's the way I've advocated using them for years. But it is often NOT the way they are used by a lot of guys, included many on this board. And no matter what, they WILL enhance results. If you didn't get any gains from your last cycle you either had fake stuff, ate like crap or you were really doggin' it in the gym.

 

[JOKER47]

JOKER: You completely misinterpreted what I said, but I'm not going to explain myself. As far as your last statement that sterods add something once you've reached your genetic potential is the way they SHOULD be used, and it's the way I've advocated using them for years. But it is often NOT the way they are used by a lot of guys, included many on this board. And no matter what, they WILL enhance results. If you didn't get any gains from your last cycle you either had fake stuff, ate like crap or you were really doggin' it in the gym.

Agreed. They SHOULD be used that way. And yes, sometimes they are not. Sorry if I came across wrong.

My stuff WAS real. But like I said, both my training and my diet were way off. Hence, the reason I am clean at this point in time.

My point was that, steroids are NOT magic. You will not become big and ripped if diet and training are not in order first. And you sure as hell will not keep any gains you might get by using insane amounts.


Joker

 

[b fold the truth]

If AAS are bad and wrong because they are illegal...
Then are they only bad if you live in a country which they are considered illegal?

B True

 

[needsize]

If AAS are bad and wrong because they are illegal...
Then are they only bad if you live in a country which they are considered illegal?

B True

Great point, society is always dictating to us what is right and wrong but whatever the social norms are at a given point in time. The funny thing about that is that societal norms are constantly changing. For example, 60 years ago sex itself was considered taboo, and there was something wrong with you if you enjoyed it. Now sex is in and there isnt any part of the media that isnt saturated by it.
So am I going to ignore the only chance i have to take my body to the next level, just because John Q Public, who has never set his fat ass in a gym once in his life, tells me it's wrong.
I DONT THINK SO...

 

[Lord_Suston]

It really doesn't matter since ach has their own preference and no mattter how much you debate they aren't gonna change. To be honest most natural guys, aren't. They buy this type of protein and that type of creatine and then some ripped fuel. So you might say well they are naturally occuring and legal. But that would justify adding more test since that occurs in ones body and was once legal....

 

[big_bad_buff]

i'v only been on 2 cycles, but i have always thought of it this way.

you can't get big being natural, don't even try unless you have perfect genetics. i laugh at the natural guys in the gym, walking around with there lats spread thinking 190 pounds on a 6"0 body is big. when along comes the juicer that is 6"0 and 290 pounds. and now the natural guy feels like shit, so he says the juicer is nothing but a cheater because he suddenly feels like a little girl.

the juicer is willing to go that extra mile, spend the extra time, money, energy, study longer, eat better, and work a lot harder, and in all reality he is smarter, because he knows what he has to put his body through, to achieve that goal he has in his mind. by smarter i mean he knows he will never get the size he wants without a little help, so he is not the one fooling himself.

while the natural guy want's to be huge, but one take any risks, spend the extra money, and all of the above to achieve his goals.

 

[Thaibox]

i'v only been on 2 cycles, but i have always thought of it this way.

you can't get big being natural, don't even try unless you have perfect genetics. i laugh at the natural guys in the gym, walking around with there lats spread thinking 190 pounds on a 6"0 body is big. when along comes the juicer that is 6"0 and 290 pounds. and now the natural guy feels like shit, so he says the juicer is nothing but a cheater because he suddenly feels like a little girl.

the juicer is willing to go that extra mile, spend the extra time, money, energy, study longer, eat better, and work a lot harder, and in all reality he is smarter, because he knows what he has to put his body through, to achieve that goal he has in his mind. by smarter i mean he knows he will never get the size he wants without a little help, so he is not the one fooling himself.

while the natural guy want's to be huge, but one take any risks, spend the extra money, and all of the above to achieve his goals.

Are you aware that b-fold is natural?

 

[teen1216]

Are you aware that b-fold is natural?

I hadn't thought of that when I was reading this post Thaibox; he is a great example to anyone who trains!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Are you aware that not everyone wants to be 290lbs?

That shit may impress the guys at the squat rack but most everyone else thinks it's stupid.

Frank Zane juiced and won the Olympia at 180 pounds. Ask 100 women which body they prefer -- Frank Zane or Markus Ruhl. I'll bet you at least 90 of them will say Zane