AS users, opinion of natural bodybuilders

[needsize]

Are you aware that b-fold is natural?

99% of the population doesnt have a chance to get to his size naturally, hell, most of us would have trouble getting there on juice

 

[JOKER47]

Are you aware that not everyone wants to be 290lbs?

That shit may impress the guys at the squat rack but most everyone else thinks it's stupid.

Frank Zane juiced and won the Olympia at 180 pounds. Ask 100 women which body they prefer -- Frank Zane or Markus Ruhl. I'll bet you at least 90 of them will say Zane

Who gives a shit what a woman thinks about your build? The decision to be 180lbs or 300lbs should be yours, not someone elses.


Hmmmm.......there was a thread about that, wasn't there???

Joker

 

[needsize]

Who gives a shit what a woman thinks about your build? The decision to be 180lbs or 300lbs should be yours, not someone elses.


Hmmmm.......there was a thread about that, wasn't there???

Joker

I couldnt agree more. Anyone who is in this to impress women should just take up bowling instead. I want to be a freak because of me, not what anyone else says or thinks. And if only 1 out of 10 women like the way I look, that's all I need (lucky I married someone who didnt care either way)

 

[Zyglamail]

Im a natural builder, well I have been so far, not sure if im always gonna stay that way. But i live my gym life more in the natural circuit then the chemical one. I know alot of naturals dont give AS users much respect. Alot of natural bodybuilders just see users as cheaters, or people looking to take shortcuts.
ive always gotten the impression most AS users see naturals as people who just arent willing to go the distance or do what it takes to get to achieve their highest level of preformance.
any opinions

Lot of good points made in this thread on both sides of the coin but it seems to have gotten a bit off topic in regards to the original post. My impression is that AAS dont necessarily look down on the non-user. AAS users however do seem to get rather riled up when confronted or called out for "cheating" by the natural athlete. Primarily a self defence mechansim that when insulted people generally turn to insults themselves. After all we all share a common interest and thats health, fitness and lifting, beyond that how we get to where we want to be is strictly personal.

 

[Bullit]

I really have to disagree. I have done 2 cycles of AAS myself. I got no gains from them. (Unless you count acne.) Reason? My training and diet were not up to par.

I have since been clean for over a year taking the time to re-evaluate my training and diet. In that year, I gained 10lbs, my arms gained a 1/2in, and all lifts have increased dramatically.

This is possibly the worst argument I've ever read on the issue.

Its essentially like saying: "I squirted juice in my shoes and didnt grow, therefore roids don't work, and dont make it any easier to grow."

Comparing an obviously botched cycle to a good natural regimine is apples to oranges.

All else being equal juice will never make it HARDER to grow, and provided you at least do a little training they will make it EASIER to grow. I mean thats the whole reason people use em' for shit sakes.

 

[Bullit]

Who gives a shit what a woman thinks about your build? The decision to be 180lbs or 300lbs should be yours, not someone elses.

Yeah but the vast majority of the guys that work out make the decision to work out mostly cuz chix like it.
Its not that someone else is making the choice for them, but that they have decided that working out will help them get laid.

I am one of those people

 

[Nelson Montana]

You don't give a shit what women think of the way you look? Wow. I do. I love women, and I haven't heard too many complaints from them about my body and I'm barely 200 pounds. I wouldn't want to be much more. Even with single digit bf you can start to look like a "fat guy" in clothes. Funny, isn't it? You think a guy who's 190 pounds is a little bitch, yet he's the one who everyone thinks looks good. But hey, everyone is entitled to look any way they want. And to bring this conversation full circle, roids can help you do that. But the potential for abuse is there. You just have to watch the warning signs. I think the first is when you don't give a shit want women think of the way you look.

 

[needsize]

I am at the point where a lot of women tell me I'm way too big, over 230lbs at 5'9" and under 10% bodyfat, and frankly I could care less. I'm still hoping to pack at least another 30lbs on this frame, there is at least one woman that likes it, thats all that matters to me

 

[big_bad_buff]

Are you aware that b-fold is natural?

no, i didn't know it, but was there a point in bringing this up? so B-fold has a big thick frame and good genetics. i'm sure he works his ass off, but he's big because of genetics, like 1 out of 50 guys are like this, i don't want to offend him, he looks great. but if you want to get this big, better have a huge ass frame and good genetics or you can forget it, unless your going to juice, and you still wont look as big unless your frame is equal, or larger....pick up a flex magazine, most these guys dwarf him (muscle not skeletal frame) take a guy his exact same frame and size that has never worked out before and he would still be a big guy.

natural=big better than average
roids=huge freak.

 

[b fold the truth]

After gaining 23 pounds...

Genetics huh? I have the MENTAL genetics. Most people don't. Yes...I was born with a larger than average frame...but it was my MENTAL genetics which have made me who I am.

B True