Are you Really Strong?????

[BigWh1tey]

strong = master class or Elite (USPF)
BW/ TOTAL(MASTER)/TOTAL(ELITE)
114/981/1064
123/1064/1157
132/1146/1246
148/1279/1394
165/1400/1527
181/1505/1642
198/1593/1731
220/1675/1824
242/1736/1890
275/1786/1946
SHW/1875/2033

so who here is strong ?

 

[Yellowbottle]

i think it also depends on the exercises that you do. Some people excell at doing push exercises, some pull, others have strong legs, and yet some have the overall package. I have a max bench of 460 at about 195 or so I am 5"7. I can only squat maybe tops 405 which is still heavy but nothing amazing. My partner can only bench 325, simialr in size, but squats 530. Both of our deadlifts are simialr. We both are pretty strong, but I excell in one thing he in the other. Thats how must of us are, there are the exceptions, they are the freaks. Size and weight have nothing to do with it. I have beaten the shit out of guys twice my size in the gym and in a fight!








"Shut the fuck up and do some push-ups motherfucker"!

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

Strength is really to vague a term, especially when you add the leverage and bodyweight factors in. I did a little throwing for Track and Field (mostly 35lb weight) and always found it funny that I was being beaten by taller heavier guys that I could easily smoke in the weight room. You see while my short limbs (I'm 5'5") let me move more weight while excerting less force(don't have to push as far) the short limbs also really limit the amount of force I can apply to a weight I am trying to throw for distance.

 

[BISONE]

i think ratio do matter that is like someone comparing a guy say 100 lbs that lifts 300lbs, to a guy that is 1000lbs and lifts 1005lbs big differance in strength and i would class the guy lighter that lifts alot more than his own bodyweight stronger.

but in real life terms without ratio the 1000lbs guy would crush the 100lbs guy but in gym terms i would say the small guy is stronger.

me personally would rather be 200lbs benching 400
than a guy 300 benching 500 as the 200 lb bloke would be quicker ,more agile etc more suitable to fighter style which im into fighting.

well i know my cousin who is 86kg (189.2lbs) who benched in competition 280kg (616lbs) took out the bench competition
(on roids off course but still fuckin strong)

 

[whiteox]

Damn - there are some strong bros on this board. I just weighed myself - 196 and am benching 435 (no shirt), squatting and pulling 615 and 605. I'll do boxsquats w/455 for reps and heavy half-squats w/765. I hurt my knee 2 weeks ago and my last two wks it's been to painful to go over 500 on squats - even with my inzer z-wraps cranked on like a cast.

That one friend of yours thicklee sounds like an animal. If he's really pulling 800 then he's one of only a handful who can do it (regardless of bodyweight).

 

[Omega44]

I don't think that weights have anything to do with whose the strongest. If you want to see whose stronger out of two people, just have them wrestler each other till one taps out.

Wrestling is like a total body lift. If I can dominate someone enough to make them tap out, I am stronger. If I tap out I am weaker.

i totall disagree with that statment!! wrestling is more like 80% skill and then the rest endurence and strength. skill has nothing to do with strength man!

 

[BuilderBenny]

Whats the equation for work?

Now we are talking bro!

This will settle this discussion with FACTS using laws of nature.

The equation for work is:

Work = F * s = m*g*s - In English: Weight * Gravity * Distance

If a person lifts 100 kg 1 meter he uses:

100 kg * 9,82 * 1,0 meter = 982 Nm = 982 Joule

This is called potential energy.

Compared to a person with short arms, who only lifts the weight 0.8 meter, the equation looks like this.

100 kg * 9.82 * 0.8 = 786 Joule

As seen, the change in energy used is in proportion with the distance you have to lift your weight.



But to find out the total MECHANICAL energy used one would have to add the kinetic energy used (energy from movement/speed).

Total Energy = Kinetic E + Potential E


KineticE = (mv^2)/2

Lets say that it takes one second to lift the weight the distance 1.0 meter, the equation would look like this.


(100 kg * 1.0s^2)/2 = 50 Nm = 50 Joule

Total Energy = 982 Joule + 50 Joule = 1032 Joule

To test how much speed affects the energy used lets test a different number. Lets do a 2.0 sec lift.

(100 kg * 2.0s^2)/2 = 200 Joule

Hereby we understand that - If you double the time used you quadruple your kinetic energy.

But the Total Energy used isn't affected "that" much by speed as by pure weight.

Total Energy = 982 Joule + 200 Joule = 1182 Joule.
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To sum it up easy. Using the formula:

Total Energy used = Kinetic Energy + Potential Energy

Is an short and easy explanation. But in comparision with what we are looking for quite near the truth. One could add extra numbers from acceleration, etc etc etc. But these two energy together is enough to prove a point.

1. The BIGGEST differance in who does the heviest work is DISTANCE the barbell/dumbell travels!!!!

2. One can't forget about how fast one moves the weight. In numbers it isn't as relevant as distance, but it makes a differance. Small? yes! But, enough to determine wether you lift the attemted weight or not!


NOTE: This is extremly importante! You can NOT use lbs or feet/inches/yards in these equations. The reason for this is that the equation is based on metric standards, sorry bro's!!!

But do use these ones -->

1 kg = 0.454 lbs

1 m = 39.4 inches

example: m g s = (100lbs/0.454) * 9.82 * (100inches/39.4)



Ok, this is a lot of mumbojumbo here,,, but Point 1 and 2 sums it up!!

PS: did I mention no one has ever given' me Karma =(

 

[Ryvor]

Whoever hits the hardest is the strongest!
I workout for strength and speed in the ring.
They last one standing is the strongest.

 

[The Shadow]

2x body weight bencher, so whatever that means...

 

[kaoz&zen]

omega, thank you.
Technique will almost always win out over strength. For those that have no clue, i am refering to the coment about "let's just have them wrestle." --Bull_10
in my personal experience I have seen a #131 hold a full match with a #215 and only lose by two points. The 215 happens to be in national top 3 (not sure of the 131's rank, but he won state twice.) This applys not only to folkstyle/freestyle but also to vale tudo style competition (to make someone submit, strenght should not be used-- on of the first thing a grappler is taught about chokes is that if you have to apply your strength you are not practicing the technique properly.)