Are flyes necesary in bench routine, because.....

[rsnoble-im-back]

after I do 3 sets of bench, 2sets of incline, 3 sets of flat dumbell, and 2-3 sets of incline dumbell, all sets of max effort.........there is literally no energy left for flyes and it almost seems like it's a waste of time. So today I didn't do them, I felt complete muscle exhausted and felt anymore would be overdoing it.

Right now im just trying to regain strength. You really think flyes worth it?? Im not using any hardcore "help" btw.........so it's not like I can train like an animal and not suffer the consequences as much.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

no.


Do more heavy bench, forget inclines. Do more heavy incline DB, forget flats. Flyes after that are near pointless IMO. Are you doing overhead pressing or dips? If you want more strength you need to focus on fewer core exercises.

 

[Creepusmaximus]

NO.....

Want some fun, start with 3 sets of dips then move on to bench etc. See what you think in a month.

 

[AEKDB]

No, but they do not hurt when added to a well designed training program. Remember that squats, dips, and chin-ups will help your bench far more then flys ever will.

 

[Edmund]

For me, flyes take away power on my benching. But I get alot of growth out of flyes though. First I flat bench, incline bench, incline dumbbell, flyes and dips. I do about 6-8 sets of flyes to failure using lighter weights. I get a huge pump out of them and in the last 4 months they have made my chest bigger and more cut. I'm bodybuilding though, not powerlifting.

 

[rsnoble-im-back]

no.


Do more heavy bench, forget inclines. Do more heavy incline DB, forget flats. Flyes after that are near pointless IMO. Are you doing overhead pressing or dips? If you want more strength you need to focus on fewer core exercises.

I'm kinda thinking what all you guys are. Every routine i've encountered just about includes flyes--including powerlifting---and I just don't seem to see the benefit. I'm like allrighty then........I'm already limp from the pressing do I really need that? I was hoping id hear "no"........I hate doing them anyway.

My routine as of now: formentioned chest workout on tuesday, wed off, thursday I do pulldowns and rows, and 3sets hammer curls and maybe 1 or 2 sets barbell curls, and friday I do 2 sets light bench, then I do 3 sets of front millitary press, 3 sets of close grip bench and 2-3 sets of pushdowns. I have not used dips in a long, long time but perhaps it's time to do them again.

Squats and deadlifts.........no more. To many years of back beating there out of the question unfortunetely. I know you can still get strong without them, perhaps not nearly as, I just don't need the strain. I'm not 18 anymore.

I have seen some routines calling for bench 2x week heavy, I can't recover that fast. I know i've tried.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

I have seen some routines calling for bench 2x week heavy, I can't recover that fast. I know i've tried.

Maybe cycle a heavy and medium day then? I cant make progress if I dont bench twice a week at least. I do better with three times a week, with lighter rep work to grease the motion.

 

[rsnoble-im-back]

Maybe cycle a heavy and medium day then? I cant make progress if I dont bench twice a week at least. I do better with three times a week, with lighter rep work to grease the motion.

I am doing a heavy and light per week. On the light day I do heavy closegrips and whatever other tricep work. After that I take 3days off and im usually ready to hit it hard.

Today, tri and shoulder day, sucked. Something in the air. Everyone else was pure shit also. I hate unproductive days. I did it, but it just wasn't very good. Bad days suck. I know it happens, but sure is depressing when it does. Not exactly talking numbers, just overall energy level.

 

[TC2]

Hell no...all I've ever done for chest is either flat or inclines and I have a good "plate like" chest. i just go heavy not aneurysm heavy but heavy and lift SLOWLY with full range motion.

 

[amnbaker]

I like to starrt out with 3 Sets of Heavy DB flys....Within the 12 rep Range. To PRE-EXHAUST my pecs. This way by the time I move on to the INCLINE PRESSES next..I tend to use ALOT more pec and not as much Tri\Front delt as I usuall would...Works great, i'm seeing good growth too.