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Anavar or Winny?? What's the better cutter?

Which oral is the better overall cutting steroid?

  • Anavar

    Votes: 162 56.8%

  • Winstrol

    Votes: 96 33.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • Total voters
    285
rdel85

rdel85

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Ok guys, just wondering what every one's results have been and which is the better for getting that hard, vascular look. If MONEY WAS NO FACTOR which one would be in your cycle today?
 
rdel85 said:
Ok guys, just wondering what every one's results have been and which is the better for getting that hard, vascular look. If MONEY WAS NO FACTOR which one would be in your cycle today?
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I'm a BIG fan of Anavar,,,but for handsdown, hard, vascular look Winstrol rips me up like no other.
 
testosterone propionate-Primobolan -win-anavar gave me a very good vascular cut, probably i will do it again!
 
its hard to say bro....i have used them all in different combos at low bf levels and its all really personal preference...winstrol will give you a little more hardness and vascularity, var will supress your appetite and help lose some ab fat, mix masteron with var and tren with winstrol with some teswt as a base and you'll love either combo....test/var/mast looks a little prettier, tren/test.winstrol is pure fucking cock diesel!!!
 
Fun facts.

Neither cut.

They both build muscle without water retention which gives that impression.

They're both low dosed which gives the belief they're "mild."

Anavar increases creatine synthesis -- not so amazing since the invention of supplemental creatine.

Winstrol is most often prescribed for anemia.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Fun facts.

Neither cut.

They both build muscle without water retention which gives that impression.


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With all due respect, biulding muscle without water retention is cutting in my book. If it gives the physical appearance of cutting then that's in fact what it has done.
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Halo, or Tethylated Tren.....both have much worse sides though, expecially methylated tren....like death.
 
solidspine said:
Winstrol - stanozolol, anavar is a hybrid supplement made for girls


But if your objective is to build muscle use Winstrol - stanozolol
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So the consensus is winstrol, but for those that can't handle the sides var?
 
I prefer winny anyday. The best cutting cycle I've ever taken was winny eq and a low dose of test prop. I got more cut and vascular than I've ever been before. I'm on a cycle now of deca test and dbol, trying to bulk. But around April I'm Gona run winny eq and test prop to fucking shred!
 
Nelson Montana said:
Fun facts.



Anavar increases creatine synthesis -- not so amazing since the invention of supplemental creatine
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Then how come I always read that people recommend to take creatine while on anavar?
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we all know that both winny and var do cut you up, and if money were no option, it would be var all the time...especially since winny leaves me sore as hell...however, i don't mind taking 50mg ED of var while taking 50/100mg ED of winny...the best of both worlds
 
splperformance said:
we all know that both winny and var do cut you up, and if money were no option, it would be var all the time...especially since winny leaves me sore as hell...however, i don't mind taking 50mg ED of var while taking 50/100mg ED of winny...the best of both worlds
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very good points, I totaly agree
 
man wtf, i took var 50mg once a day dose for 11weeks, and i didnt see much of anything, maybe 5lb gain that i think i could of done myself. not much strength, but i know it was real for sure. Not to happy bout it. all you guys seem to love it
 
vascular freak said:
its hard to say bro....i have used them all in different combos at low bf levels and its all really personal preference...winstrol will give you a little more hardness and vascularity, var will supress your appetite and help lose some ab fat, mix masteron with var and tren with winstrol with some teswt as a base and you'll love either combo....test/var/mast looks a little prettier, tren/test.winstrol is pure fucking cock diesel!!!
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a+
 
oxandrolone, hands down. the only AAS that burns visceral fat better is trenbolone.

20 mg's of ox ED will be better than 100 mg's of winnie ED for fat burning.
 
ALIN said:
I'm a BIG fan of Anavar,,,but for handsdown, hard, vascular look Winstrol rips me up like no other.
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Do you prefer the tabs over the injections?
Why?
 
W I N N Y.

I don't even see how it is up for debate! Var is THE BIGGEST steroid disappointment. Winstrol is perhaps the greatest steroid ever made. Ok, that is up for debate, but winny does what anavar dreams of doing.
 
I prefer oxandrolone aka anavar for several reasons. Less liver damage, no elbow joint pain, higher anabolic rating less androgenic side effects. Var will give you good strength gains and is not intended to run alone. Good to have in you stack if you can afford it. You can stay on it much longer as well and it will never aromatase as Stanozolol aka winstrol will begin to after repeat cycling. Winstrol will also raise bad cholestrol and lower good cholestrol. Using winni will raise your liver enzyme count to 80+ which will be quite high; as that of an alchoholic so don't do blood work anytime soon or you'll be explaining to your doctor some personal information. Yo this thread is old so I don't need any fools telling me that in thier reply either!!
 
Arniceous said:
I prefer oxandrolone aka anavar for several reasons. Less liver damage, no elbow joint pain, higher anabolic rating less androgenic side effects. Var will give you good strength gains and is not intended to run alone. Good to have in you stack if you can afford it. You can stay on it much longer as well and it will never aromatase as Stanozolol aka winstrol will begin to after repeat cycling. Winstrol will also raise bad cholestrol and lower good cholestrol. Using winni will raise your liver enzyme count to 80+ which will be quite high; as that of an alchoholic so don't do blood work anytime soon or you'll be explaining to your doctor some personal information. Yo this thread is old so I don't need any fools telling me that in thier reply either!!
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Your info is a litle off. Var is just as liver toxic at the same dosages. Winstrol CAN NOT aromatize. And var is WORSE for raising LDL. Var is better for strength though.
 
thanks for the correction in regards to aromatize Iv'e noticed a friend on prolonged use that experienced that is why I mentioned it. I turly think var is less liver toxic and for those that really are trying to figure out which to take winni will give you joint pain in a couple weeks usually in the elbows. A severe pain issue. Anavar will never do that. Your strength gains with var are crazy high if you can stay on it for 10 weeks thats ultimate. if you stay on winni for 12 weeks you will no doubt have some pain in your backside im sure you can ifgure out what those might be. Creatine is perfect with Anavar because of the expanded ATP.

Reference the fallowing for indepth info on the two in question

Bodybuilding.com - Big Cat - In Depth Anavar Profile!
Bodybuilding.com - Big Cat - In Depth Winstrol Profile!
 
Winni .

Brad.
 
Arniceous said:
thanks for the correction in regards to aromatize Iv'e noticed a friend on prolonged use that experienced that is why I mentioned it. I turly think var is less liver toxic and for those that really are trying to figure out which to take winni will give you joint pain in a couple weeks usually in the elbows. A severe pain issue. Anavar will never do that. Your strength gains with var are crazy high if you can stay on it for 10 weeks thats ultimate. if you stay on winni for 12 weeks you will no doubt have some pain in your backside im sure you can ifgure out what those might be. Creatine is perfect with Anavar because of the expanded ATP.

Reference the fallowing for indepth info on the two in question

Bodybuilding.com - Big Cat - In Depth Anavar Profile!
Bodybuilding.com - Big Cat - In Depth Winstrol Profile!
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Hi, what doses of Anavar would you recommend for a man weighing 95 kilos (210 lbs)?

I just f*cked up my last cycle. I planned to run T-bol for 8 weeks (50 mg/day), but in these doses, it showed to be ineffective, and after 3 weeks I added Winstrol. The effect on strength and hardness started to be visible after mere 9 days, and now I have been running these orals for 8 1/2 weeks already (T-bol for 3 weeks, and 25 mg T-bol+30-50 mg Winstrol for 5 1/2 weeks). I planned to go slowly down this week, but I have to speed it up. I am not afraid of my liver (I have been taking Essentiale Forte), but after I dared to increase the dose of Winstrol up to 50 mg/day, I started to shed somewhat too much. I am prone to male pattern baldness (I have been on various kinds of therapy for more than 12 years) and the joint pain after Winstrol is also almost unbearable (I ran it already before, with the same result).

Hence I would want to try nandrolone with Anavar in my next cycle. But I can't decide, if I can run e.g. 30 mg Anavar/day for 10-12 weeks, together with nandrolone. Or if I should rather use it only during the first month (40-50 mg/day), and then again one month after nandrolone, in small doses 10-30 mg/day, which shouldn't suppress HTPA and could help to keep the gains made on nandrolone.

Nandrolone, T-bol and Winstrol are the only steroids that I have taken so far.
 
EliteFitnessGuy said:
Hi, what doses of Anavar would you recommend for a man weighing 95 kilos (210 lbs)?

I just f*cked up my last cycle. I planned to run T-bol for 8 weeks (50 mg/day), but in these doses, it showed to be ineffective, and after 3 weeks I added Winstrol. The effect on strength and hardness started to be visible after mere 9 days, and now I have been running these orals for 8 1/2 weeks already (T-bol for 3 weeks, and 25 mg T-bol+30-50 mg Winstrol for 5 1/2 weeks). I planned to go slowly down this week, but I have to speed it up. I am not afraid of my liver (I have been taking Essentiale Forte), but after I dared to increase the dose of Winstrol up to 50 mg/day, I started to shed somewhat too much. I am prone to male pattern baldness (I have been on various kinds of therapy for more than 12 years) and the joint pain after Winstrol is also almost unbearable (I ran it already before, with the same result).

Hence I would want to try nandrolone with Anavar in my next cycle. But I can't decide, if I can run e.g. 30 mg Anavar/day for 10-12 weeks, together with nandrolone. Or if I should rather use it only during the first month (40-50 mg/day), and then again one month after nandrolone, in small doses 10-30 mg/day, which shouldn't suppress HTPA and could help to keep the gains made on nandrolone.

Nandrolone, T-bol and Winstrol are the only steroids that I have taken so far.
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You need to keep it simple mate .

T'bol IMO losses its mass gaining affect after 5 wks for me .

When you say nandro do you mean you are running decca and at what dose per wk , with not test ?

If you are prone to baldness and winni makes you shed i wouldn't touch it .

Brad.
 
I stayed between 20-30 mg/day during my previous cycle with T-bol and Winstrol. I ran it for 5 weeks and except some cystic acne, I observed no ill effects. It was very effective for strength; in fact, I gained a pretty impressive amount of strength even at such a mild dose. But only very small gains in size.

Now I observe that the level of shedding is really suspiciously high; although the amount of old hairs obviously prevails (I am short cut and "dead" hairs are thus as short as my last cut one month ago.), many long hairs also appear on my hands, when I applicate minoxidil every evening, which suggests that I initiated some telogen effluvium. In general, the amount of hair on my hands is clearly higher than normally. This is a warning that I shouldn't run Winstrol anymore.

I have been running T-bol for 9 weeks already, and it is true that I wanted to discontinue it one month ago, when Winstrol started to work. Except water retention and weight gain it namely produced virtually nothing. However, I felt somewhat tired, when I was running Winstrol alone, so I added at least 25 mg/day. The water retention probably helps in sugar loading in muscle cells.

And as for my planned cycle, please, don't recommend anything like testosterone to me. I don't want to look like Kojak. Thanks to my regular application, I have lost only half an inch of my hair in the front so far, and I don't want to sacrifice it because of steroids. Since I weigh over 90 kilos (200 lbs), I would want to run at least 300-400 mg nandrolone/month transdermally (e.g. nandrolone powder mixed in Phlojel Ultra or something similar). I ran nandrolone in my first steroid mini-cycle 8 years ago. I had only 6x200 mg for 6 weeks, and although I achieved no increase in size, strength gains were quite nice during the 2nd month of use. Unfortunately, at that time, I didn't know anything about PCT and ca. 1 month after the last injection I experienced a depressive crash, during which I lost everything that I gained. :( This time, I would want to run small doses of Anavar several weeks after the last application of nandrolone, which could help in maintaining the gains.
 
alchemist said:
Nelson Montana said:
Fun facts.

Neither cut.

They both build muscle without water retention which gives that impression.


QUOTE]

With all due respect, biulding muscle without water retention is cutting in my book. If it gives the physical appearance of cutting then that's in fact what it has done.
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I think means that it does not burn fat. However, it does seem much easier to burn fat when on drugs like Var and Tren than drugs like test and dbol.
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Var never really did much for me with cutting per se, but worked nicely to retain mass while on a cut. So i guess you could consider that 'cutting'. Never tried winny but it seems like you would get more bang for your buck in terms of potency. Var is nice, but is it worth the price?

Have any of you guys ever stacked the two? I've got winny coming in any day now and would like to burn through the rest of my var so I was thinking of doing something like this:

1-6: Winny 50mg ED
1-4: Var 60mg ED

There would be a base of course (prop)
 
winny is way more toxic and stresses out the liver a lot more, is known to throw your cholesterol levels out of whack, and I remember someone posted some medical studies here against winny if you want to search that. So if it was between those two C-17 steroids, I would chose anavar.. and anyway the real "cutter" is diet, cardio, and workout plan.

Here's a case report where a Bodybuilder who used normal dosages (nothing insane) and got wild liver damage, and i would think winny would be the likely culprit out of those three aas:

Androgenic/Anabolic steroid-induced toxic hepatitis.
Stimac et al. - J Clin Gastroenterol 2002

When used in therapeutic doses, these drugs produce clinical jaundice in just a small number of recipients. We present a 26-year-old male bodybuilder who self-administered high doses of androgenic/anabolic steroids that induced liver damage. One month before admission to the hospital, he used testosterone enanthate (500 mg intramuscularly, twice weekly), stanozolol (40 mg/d), and methylandrostenediol (30 mg/d by mouth, for 5 weeks). On admission, his bilirubin level was 470 micromol/L (direct, 360 micromol/L), his aspartate aminotransferase (AST) level was 5,870 IU/L, his alanine aminotransferase (ALT) level was 10,580 IU/L, his alkaline phosphatase (ALP) level was 152 IU/L, his gamma-glutamyl-transpeptidase level was 140 IU/L, his albumin level was 27.6 g/L, and his prothrombin time was 29%. During the patient's prolonged hospitalization, multiple tests and liver biopsy were performed, showing only toxic hepatic lesions. The patient was provided with supportive medical treatment. Clinical signs and laboratory findings improved substantially 12 weeks after the patient discontinued androgenic/anabolic steroids. The reasons for presenting this case were the much higher values of AST and ALT levels than reported in other studies, although the values of bilirubin and ALP were similar to those found in the literature. To our knowledge, it is the first case of toxic hepatitis induced by androgenic/anabolic steroids with predominantly hepatocellular necrosis instead of intrahepatic cholestasis.
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It's a case report, so is it possible the bodybuilder didn't tell everything he was taking? Just thought it was worth pondering if anyone knows about this report and can comment.


SS
 
Nice to see the thread still going haaa. I'll say it again Anavar for me any day. Super Strong is right. If you are a lazy fuck and don't do cardio and your diet stinks of fast food and like a little priss needing everything to taste like cheese, fat and sugary; get your shit together and stay the fuck out of the gym! It's bastards like you that take up space look like idoits with your few pounds of pathetic mass yo've managed to barely hold onto for year after year and never wash you're wash your hands either!!! Nough said
 
jumpmaster82 said:
I prefer winny anyday. The best cutting cycle I've ever taken was winny eq and a low dose of test prop. I got more cut and vascular than I've ever been before. I'm on a cycle now of deca test and dbol, trying to bulk. But around April I'm Gona run winny eq and test prop to fucking shred!
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Very similar to something I'm thinking about running soon.

How are the prop injections? I've heard they were pretty painful.

What about cyp? Have you ever tried that as a test in that cutting cycle?
 
Arniceous said:
Nice to see the thread still going haaa. I'll say it again Anavar for me any day. Super Strong is right. If you are a lazy fuck and don't do cardio and your diet stinks of fast food and like a little priss needing everything to taste like cheese, fat and sugary; get your shit together and stay the fuck out of the gym! It's bastards like you that take up space look like idoits with your few pounds of pathetic mass yo've managed to barely hold onto for year after year and never wash you're wash your hands either!!! Nough said
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how much var do you run ed bro?
 
Oxandrolone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are many houses & Pharms that color code differently. I have never heard of it being purple. I have found one pharm that does a good job and have stuck with them. Light blue is typical for anavar. No headache symtoms either in that wiki link. It's really funny that its controlled here but Marijuana legal in the USA in 2010?

May I have an Oxandrolone card please =) And if Marijuana isn't cancer causing... yeah right! Another stupid move by yankee doodle.
 
Winstrol is used to lower shbg levels --so you need to make sure you are using hcg and testosterone along w/ it. If not --there will be no testosterone for your body to use to enhance body fat, etc....

Stanozolol (winstrol) is a much better medication to quickly lower shbg levels...
 
never even considered so called cutting drugs before cos im so naturally lean but i thought i would give var a go this time for the last 6 weeks of my test/deca cycle.

how long til you guys normally feel the effects of var im into my second week @ 75mgs ed...even while bulking my bf% never goes higher than 9% so i thought i wud drop my carbs to see if i notice any difference but so far nothing...think its about time to start doing some cardio?
 
Here's where I read it:

Side effects of anavar:
is not very toxic, not very androgenic, mildly anabolic, and pretty mild on the body´s HPTA (Hypothalamic-Testicular-Pituitary-Axis). Those are its 4 major points, and I´d like to examine each one a bit further; as usual, gym-rumors and internet conjecture has made this steroid the subject of many misconceptions.}

Anavar (Oxandrolone) Side Effects:

First of all, and this will come as no surprise to many people, Anavar (oxandrolone) is quite mild on your liver. It´s probably the mildest oral steroid available today. Dosages of up to 80mgs/day are easily tolerated by most men, and most side effects often found with other steroids are not common with ´var (1). For this reason, Anavar is frequently the steroid of choice for many top level female bodybuilders and other athletes.
Anavar DosageDue to its being a mild steroid in every sense of the word, high amounts of Anavar dosage are needed. It binds reasonably well to the AR, but pretty high doses are still needed and I would never suggest doing less than 20mgs/day. In fact, 20-80mgs are needed to start halting AIDS related wasting(1) and recovering weight for burn victims (2) so that´s the range I´d recommend keeping your dosages in concerning this compound. Personally, I´d use 100mgs/day if I were ever going to try this stuff. Any less than this amount (20-100mgs) would be a waste. For women, however, I think 2.5-10mgs/day would suffice. Virilation is not a concern with this compound, as it is only very mildly androgenic (3). Water retention is also virtually nil with it.
Although Anavar is an oral steroid, and has been alpha-alkylated to survive oral ingestion and the first pass through the liver, it´s still relatively mild in that respect too..., the unique chemical configuration of oxandrolone both confers a resistance to liver metabolism as well as noticable anabolic activity. It would also appear that Anavar appears not to exhibit the serious hepatotoxic effects (jaundice, cholestatic hepatitis, peliosis hepatis, hyperplasias and neoplasms) typically attributed to the C17alpha-alkylated AASs. (17) Anavar has even been used successfully in some studies to heal cutaneous wounds (7), or to improve respiratory function (18). Both of these novel properties could make it a good choice for in-season use for boxers, Mixed Martial Arts competitors, and other such athletes.

Anavar and Fat Loss:

Now here´s some interesting stuff for anyone interested primarily in the fat loss properties of this stuff: Anavar may be what we´d call a "fat-burning steroid". Abdominal and visceral fat were both reduced in one study when subjects in the low/normal natural testosterone range used anavar (4). In another study, appendicular, total, and trunk fat were all reduced with a relatively small dose of 20mgs/day (8), and no exercise. In addition, weight gained with ´var may be nearly permanent too. It might not be much, but you´ll stand a good chance of keeping most of it. In one study, subjects maintained their weight (re)gains from anavar for at least 6 months after cessation (2)! Concomitantly, in another study, Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat were also sustained (8)! If you´re regaining weight, Anavar will give you nearly permanent gains, and if you are trying to lose fat (and you keep your diet in check), the fat lost with Anavar is basically looks to be nearly permanent. Check this chart out:
Absolute change in total fat mass (A) and trunk fat (B) by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry from baseline to study week 12 (solid bars) and from baseline to study week 24 (open bars) in the placebo (n = 12) and the oxandrolone (n = 20) study groups. Values are means ± SE. *Significant decrease from baseline, P < 0.001. Significant difference between study groups for change in fat mass from 0 to 12 wk, P < 0.001. (15)(8)


Source:

http://www.i/Side-effects-of-anavar.php
 
HugeLifter said:
Winny is harder on joints and hairline for sure, but if you have male pattern baldness then not much will help.
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Just looking at it from the harder on the joints and hairline perspective.

If Var doesn't give you those sides, then that's important to me....mostly because the sport that I do is bad enough on the joints....I do not want to make them weaker without realizing it.
 
so jesus thats alot of back and forth....i want to finish my cycle im on now with a banger of a combo...ive only used winny once and my god did it change my fat ass...it was incredible in combo woth prop and i was only doing them EVERY OTHER DAY.i cant imagine how good they will work EVERY DAY @ 100 MG A POP FOR 4 WEEKS EACH....cant wait.but man.i woould love to yield these benfits of tren burning visceral fat but truthfully it sounds like people always have problems on tren...like the tren flu,tren cough...i mean what else? whats tren really like and is it worth it? can u use var and winny together?i dunno.just some questions.i have 9 weeks before im entering that phase of my cycle...but i want to learn as much as possible before i order the next phase right?right.
 
whitewidow said:
so jesus thats alot of back and forth....i want to finish my cycle im on now with a banger of a combo...ive only used winny once and my god did it change my fat ass...it was incredible in combo woth prop and i was only doing them EVERY OTHER DAY.i cant imagine how good they will work EVERY DAY @ 100 MG A POP FOR 4 WEEKS EACH....cant wait.but man.i woould love to yield these benfits of tren burning visceral fat but truthfully it sounds like people always have problems on tren...like the tren flu,tren cough...i mean what else? whats tren really like and is it worth it? can u use var and winny together?i dunno.just some questions.i have 9 weeks before im entering that phase of my cycle...but i want to learn as much as possible before i order the next phase right?right.
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Tren is def worth it, I finally got sleep 2 nights ago and Ive been on Penicillin all wk, but got the cought back this AM, nothing great comes easy.
 
Winny and Anavar is dangerous because they are both very bad for your cholesterol. Doing a good dose of Winny and Var together could really wreak havoc on the lipids.

I have used both Winny and Anavar.

Winny dried me out and gave me a super-tight look. I could see all the muscle fibers and I just looked great. Downside were my joints were creaking and I did notice hairloss.

Anavar gives me great definition and lots of vascularity. I get a really pumped up look on Var and it also gives me more of the bodybuilder look we desire.

They both gave strength gains, but I have to give it to Var because of the joints.

I have a bunch of winny on hand but I don't think I'd use it again because of the hair problems. I did see results very quickly though with it and by the 2nd week I had a dry look. So maybe I could throw it in for just 2 weeks of my cutter cycle to lose water.

As far as Tren...Tren is much different because you can put on some serious size but at the same time, your body changes and you get very vascular, defined, and you burn fat. Side affects vary from person to person. For me it wasn't so bad, even at 100mg ED. Some people can barely take 50mg EOD. It is the most powerful steroid though and should be treated with respect and used after you have some experience and want to take it to the next level.
 
The side effects for winny are not worth it even if it did cut better, IMO. Cholesterol get fucked.. joint/tendon problems are often said linked to winny.. Thickening of heart muscle.. liver toxicity..

Don't get me wrong, var isn't great for cholesterol, but looks to be easier on it than win.
Same with liver, Var is 17a also, but I read that it is prescribed to people with alcoholic liver disease? and more easily tolerated...

I also read that var improves the phosphocreatine synthesis, heals woulds faster and improves lung function.. neat little effects I am happy to pay an extra dollar or so more per 10mg.
 
is PCT / keepable gains better on one or the other? (Var?) That is the most important to me, b/c I have no desire to look all hard and shit when on just to lose everything I have gained (deca / pro hormones)

Also, how are winny's effects on libido? Even if it is miild, would eq counteract this at all?
 
ConanX said:
Winny and Anavar is dangerous because they are both very bad for your cholesterol. Doing a good dose of Winny and Var together could really wreak havoc on the lipids.

I have used both Winny and Anavar.

Winny dried me out and gave me a super-tight look. I could see all the muscle fibers and I just looked great. Downside were my joints were creaking and I did notice hairloss.

Anavar gives me great definition and lots of vascularity. I get a really pumped up look on Var and it also gives me more of the bodybuilder look we desire.

They both gave strength gains, but I have to give it to Var because of the joints.

I have a bunch of winny on hand but I don't think I'd use it again because of the hair problems. I did see results very quickly though with it and by the 2nd week I had a dry look. So maybe I could throw it in for just 2 weeks of my cutter cycle to lose water.

As far as Tren...Tren is much different because you can put on some serious size but at the same time, your body changes and you get very vascular, defined, and you burn fat. Side affects vary from person to person. For me it wasn't so bad, even at 100mg ED. Some people can barely take 50mg EOD. It is the most powerful steroid though and should be treated with respect and used after you have some experience and want to take it to the next level.
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good post man.

As far as the tren, you are absolutely right.

I made the novice mistake of using tren with no test and got shut down hard...had emotional sides and super painful injections....horrible experience, but it was my own fault for trusting people I had around me that I thought knew what they were doing.
 
i ran across some "anavar" that im not so sure about i was hoping i could get some feedback. they are small almost like clenbuterol a peachy color with the sx on both sides. i put a pic not good though.
 
ArmaniAK47 said:
The side effects for winny are not worth it even if it did cut better, IMO. Cholesterol get fucked.. joint/tendon problems are often said linked to winny.. Thickening of heart muscle.. liver toxicity..

Don't get me wrong, var isn't great for cholesterol, but looks to be easier on it than win.
Same with liver, Var is 17a also, but I read that it is prescribed to people with alcoholic liver disease? and more easily tolerated...

I also read that var improves the phosphocreatine synthesis, heals woulds faster and improves lung function.. neat little effects I am happy to pay an extra dollar or so more per 10mg.
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I can't agree more. I took both Anavar and Winstrol, and Anavar wins diametrically. No joint pain, no oily skin, no acne, no ill mood... In fact, my skin dried out and IMPROVED when on 60-80 mg Anavar/day, which absolutely stunned me. Obviously, the stuff is so ludicriously low androgenic that it actually lowers the amount of androgens circulating in the body. In this regard, Winstrol is two classes above Anavar. I can't comprehend, how somebody can consider Winstrol as "a mildly androgenic steroid"!
 
for the guys running the tren cut cycle, what exactly did you run, do for cardio and have your cals and macs at?

thankyou
 
I personally like to run about 50mg var, split twice daily along with masteron 100mg eod and test p.@100mg eod. This along with a clean diet:Chef: and cardio should get you pretty shredded:chainsaw: assuming you are not just obese to start with.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Fun facts.

Neither cut.

They both build muscle without water retention which gives that impression.

They're both low dosed which gives the belief they're "mild."

Anavar increases creatine synthesis -- not so amazing since the invention of supplemental creatine.

Winstrol is most often prescribed for anemia.
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Agreed... diet dictates fat loss/cutting... and no holding less water doesn't... take an AI...
 
19/m/256,tryin to loose weight and gain musle definition,thinking about test prop with winny,I was usin liquid var until I got hospitalized for depression and anxiety,my anxiety is sever and the meds they put me on for dpression made me gain wight I been off the meds for a while now takin klonapin here and there when needed,question is what should ido?keep liftin and keep runni cardio and diet or sauce?I wanna hit the test/winny maybe substtute winny with the var since I have 3 bottles,tips please
 
You should start up your own thread... rather then piggy backing off this one...

Being that you've been hospitalized for anxiety... and you are only 19 years old.. I wouldn't run anything.. you have MORE then enough test running through your body right now to make gains/fat losses.

What's your bodyfat level at? These drugs won't work like magic for fat loss, and certainly won't do much if you are already over weight.

I would suggest checking out the stickies, and diet info in the diet forum... Once you have a good diet nailed down... do cardio, and lift... get into the lifestyle... enjoy training, and make it a part of your daily routine... You'll not only look better in time, but FEEL much better as well... :)

Good luck dude! :D
 
var is better.. less sides and less join pain

also i love the strength increases on var.
 
I I'm about start my winny/test prop cycle and due to drugs testing in my line of work taking it oral type is not an option. Is the injection really that bad? And what amount would u recommend?
 
Oral would clear faster then injections..
 
StRoNg_WoN said:
Agreed... diet dictates fat loss/cutting... and no holding less water doesn't... take an AI...
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+1 and for the sake of making a case for what drug is better. Imo, winny trumps var in every aspect.. People want to do steroids but they don't like the backlash that comes with using roids. Every drug is capable of producing a negative effect. Using roids is just a gamble, period!!
 
Nice thread, one question I dont see at all and i have been wondering is concerning ball shrinkage. Is it permanent or will it come back after a respectful PCT with Nova/clem?
 
Halo is one of the best if not the best for what your looking for. It's also one of the harshest orals though. Upside and a down side.
 
Neither are "cutters". You can cut or bulk on any AAS depending on diet. Some steroids like winny and var will cause little to no water retention making you look leaner than if you were using something that bloats you. Only steroid that I believe actually helps substantially with fat loss is tren.
 
I am a young track athlete and I am having trouble on where to order legit steroids from. I am looking to start my first cycle and I would like to try Stanozolol. Any tips on where I should get it from an also what I should add with it. I am 5'9" 175, short distance sprinter. 100 and 200 meter. Not looking to put on much weight but lookin to cut up and harden more.
 
Jamar21 said:
I am a young track athlete and I am having trouble on where to order legit steroids from. I am looking to start my first cycle and I would like to try Stanozolol. Any tips on where I should get it from an also what I should add with it. I am 5'9" 175, short distance sprinter. 100 and 200 meter. Not looking to put on much weight but lookin to cut up and harden more.
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Run test prop for quick acting effects and performance. Both of the one's you mention cause crippling pumps, winny more so than var, but both send your pumps through the roof. But if you had to pick one, Var hands down. Win had negative effects for a month after dosing including lower back pain and depression and caused crazy elbow pain while running. If you are under 22, i'd stay away completely. Or you'll be 5'9" for the rest of your life.
 
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