Anavar or Winny?? What's the better cutter?

[SuperStrong]

winny is way more toxic and stresses out the liver a lot more, is known to throw your cholesterol levels out of whack, and I remember someone posted some medical studies here against winny if you want to search that. So if it was between those two C-17 steroids, I would chose anavar.. and anyway the real "cutter" is diet, cardio, and workout plan.

Here's a case report where a Bodybuilder who used normal dosages (nothing insane) and got wild liver damage, and i would think winny would be the likely culprit out of those three aas:

Androgenic/Anabolic steroid-induced toxic hepatitis.
Stimac et al. - J Clin Gastroenterol 2002

When used in therapeutic doses, these drugs produce clinical jaundice in just a small number of recipients. We present a 26-year-old male bodybuilder who self-administered high doses of androgenic/anabolic steroids that induced liver damage. One month before admission to the hospital, he used testosterone enanthate (500 mg intramuscularly, twice weekly), stanozolol (40 mg/d), and methylandrostenediol (30 mg/d by mouth, for 5 weeks). On admission, his bilirubin level was 470 micromol/L (direct, 360 micromol/L), his aspartate aminotransferase (AST) level was 5,870 IU/L, his alanine aminotransferase (ALT) level was 10,580 IU/L, his alkaline phosphatase (ALP) level was 152 IU/L, his gamma-glutamyl-transpeptidase level was 140 IU/L, his albumin level was 27.6 g/L, and his prothrombin time was 29%. During the patient's prolonged hospitalization, multiple tests and liver biopsy were performed, showing only toxic hepatic lesions. The patient was provided with supportive medical treatment. Clinical signs and laboratory findings improved substantially 12 weeks after the patient discontinued androgenic/anabolic steroids. The reasons for presenting this case were the much higher values of AST and ALT levels than reported in other studies, although the values of bilirubin and ALP were similar to those found in the literature. To our knowledge, it is the first case of toxic hepatitis induced by androgenic/anabolic steroids with predominantly hepatocellular necrosis instead of intrahepatic cholestasis.

It's a case report, so is it possible the bodybuilder didn't tell everything he was taking? Just thought it was worth pondering if anyone knows about this report and can comment.


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[Arniceous]

Nice to see the thread still going haaa. I'll say it again Anavar for me any day. Super Strong is right. If you are a lazy fuck and don't do cardio and your diet stinks of fast food and like a little priss needing everything to taste like cheese, fat and sugary; get your shit together and stay the fuck out of the gym! It's bastards like you that take up space look like idoits with your few pounds of pathetic mass yo've managed to barely hold onto for year after year and never wash you're wash your hands either!!! Nough said

 

[Nomadic Dreamer]

I prefer winny anyday. The best cutting cycle I've ever taken was winny eq and a low dose of test prop. I got more cut and vascular than I've ever been before. I'm on a cycle now of deca test and dbol, trying to bulk. But around April I'm Gona run winny eq and test prop to fucking shred!

Very similar to something I'm thinking about running soon.

How are the prop injections? I've heard they were pretty painful.

What about cyp? Have you ever tried that as a test in that cutting cycle?

 

[BlackIron220]

Nice to see the thread still going haaa. I'll say it again Anavar for me any day. Super Strong is right. If you are a lazy fuck and don't do cardio and your diet stinks of fast food and like a little priss needing everything to taste like cheese, fat and sugary; get your shit together and stay the fuck out of the gym! It's bastards like you that take up space look like idoits with your few pounds of pathetic mass yo've managed to barely hold onto for year after year and never wash you're wash your hands either!!! Nough said

how much var do you run ed bro?

 

[Arniceous]

60mg split into two doses 5-8 weeks

The dose and duration can be increaded to 100mg 10 weeks max

 

[Arniceous]

Oxandrolone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are many houses & Pharms that color code differently. I have never heard of it being purple. I have found one pharm that does a good job and have stuck with them. Light blue is typical for anavar. No headache symtoms either in that wiki link. It's really funny that its controlled here but Marijuana legal in the USA in 2010?

May I have an Oxandrolone card please =) And if Marijuana isn't cancer causing... yeah right! Another stupid move by yankee doodle.

 

[dark-knight]

dam! thats pretty close 40 - 47

i'v only used winny but i cant fukn wait to try var

 

[ReliableHRT]

Winstrol is used to lower shbg levels --so you need to make sure you are using hcg and testosterone along w/ it. If not --there will be no testosterone for your body to use to enhance body fat, etc....

Stanozolol (winstrol) is a much better medication to quickly lower shbg levels...

 

[jay678]

Do both at moderate dosage for your bodyweight, throw some clen. in to get more vascular

 

[C Manson]

never even considered so called cutting drugs before cos im so naturally lean but i thought i would give var a go this time for the last 6 weeks of my test/deca cycle.

how long til you guys normally feel the effects of var im into my second week @ 75mgs ed...even while bulking my bf% never goes higher than 9% so i thought i wud drop my carbs to see if i notice any difference but so far nothing...think its about time to start doing some cardio?