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This poll is in response to the discussion in the following thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=539920
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=539920
AM empty stomach cardio poll
- Thread starter D_Mac
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LOL!
Hey, at least it's a constructive way to debate. I like it.
Hey, at least it's a constructive way to debate. I like it.
DBBT
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body doesn't burn just fat, it burns some muscle too, that's not an option in the poll 
while you'll be in a catabolic state upon wakening and doing the cardio...i think its best to have a steady flow of anabolics in you to kind of say fuck off a little bit to the muscle catabolism so it can concentrate on fat burning.
while you'll be in a catabolic state upon wakening and doing the cardio...i think its best to have a steady flow of anabolics in you to kind of say fuck off a little bit to the muscle catabolism so it can concentrate on fat burning.
needtogetaas
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good way to put it.lolDBBT said:body doesn't burn just fat, it burns some muscle too, that's not an option in the poll
while you'll be in a catabolic state upon wakening and doing the cardio...i think its best to have a steady flow of anabolics in you to kind of say fuck off a little bit to the muscle catabolism so it can concentrate on fat burning.
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ALIN
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D_Mac said:
am cardio, empty stomach.
Vascular Freak
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devunn said:
its not that catabolic with enough test and tren in ya!!!
DBBt great point on the addition of anbolics making AM cardio alot more benifical.
One of the Reasons I will always cling to AM cardio is what it did for me when I did double days of cardio in the dead of summer for football
it changed me, made me an animal and this was NATURAL
if cardio works for you and just does it then DO IT, but you will only know if you give it the "10 week chance" thats how long Pre season football training was for me
One of the Reasons I will always cling to AM cardio is what it did for me when I did double days of cardio in the dead of summer for football
it changed me, made me an animal and this was NATURAL
if cardio works for you and just does it then DO IT, but you will only know if you give it the "10 week chance" thats how long Pre season football training was for me
Adding anabolics into the scenario is a moot point. Of course, it improves everything. But it doesn't suddenly make a bad concept a good one.
I can make grow more muscle and burn fat on anabolics if I sleep less and drink a Margaretta, that doesn't make sleeping less and drinking Margarettas an effective method for building muscle or burning fat.
I knew a girl who lost weight eating one meal a day and nibbling on nothing but M&M's. It WORKED! Does that mean it's the best thing to do?
I can make grow more muscle and burn fat on anabolics if I sleep less and drink a Margaretta, that doesn't make sleeping less and drinking Margarettas an effective method for building muscle or burning fat.
I knew a girl who lost weight eating one meal a day and nibbling on nothing but M&M's. It WORKED! Does that mean it's the best thing to do?
heavy_duty
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calories are calories....her dentist will love her though.
heavy duty -- god damn, that video is just wrong. I've completely forgotten what we were talking about.
Nelson Montana said:
Not a moot point do to AAS being quit ANTICATABOLIC.( it why they give it to patients and HRT clients sometimes to preserve muscle mass, not only sexual function)
And again its a bad concept for you as applicable to your experiences which of course is valid, just as valid as ours on the apposing side based our great results.
again even though a calorie is a calorie,Cardio for people like us will raise BMR to a marked degree if done in the AM asap, the earlier in the day you do it, the earlier in the day you've raised your BMR. You will burn calories for a longer period of waking-hours .Hence more Net calories burned.
ADD a PM lifting session and good by fatty
heheheavy_duty
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So nelson...thumbs up or down to AM cardio?
heavy_duty said:
Did you read the original thread? I call bullshite on morning cardio.
OMEGA: the fact that anabolics are anti-catabolic is EXACTLY why it's a moot point! The drugs are counteracting the negative effects of cardio on an empty stomach! (???)
I love early morning cardio, i usually have a water 1 scoop protein shake the second i get out of bed, on the treadmill within 10 minutes, 45 minutes at a steady rate then 2 scoop water protein 15 minutes after.
I got down to about 8% bodyfat.
Would you say this was a good or a bad method?
I got down to about 8% bodyfat.
Would you say this was a good or a bad method?
peteefs said:
I'd say it's avery good method -- every bit as good as doing it at 7:30 at night with the same amount of daily calories.
heavy_duty
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Pete
running or walking on the TM?
how many weeks to 8%
how many cals a day?
ball-park
running or walking on the TM?
how many weeks to 8%
how many cals a day?
ball-park
an interesting article
http://www.bodyconcept.com/Body_Bui...n_-_The_Truth_About_Morning_Cardio/a-694.html
hope it helps
http://www.bodyconcept.com/Body_Bui...n_-_The_Truth_About_Morning_Cardio/a-694.html
hope it helps
jijipuku said:an interesting article
http://www.bodyconcept.com/Body_Bui...n_-_The_Truth_About_Morning_Cardio/a-694.html
hope it helps
Well, they do cite expert Lyle McDonald. But he's fat.
If you know your fat burn rate (and this can be measured very very acccurately) You can do low intensity cardio and burn all fat. The empty stomach helps mobilise fact - some guys I know have the newleaf equipment that lets you tesr this. THey have done loads of metabolic testing and low intensity am cardioat your best fatburn rate is superior for burning fat. If you do it in the evening its not as good unless you leave at least 3 hours since you ate.
I was doing HIIT am 4 times a week and did real well to start, then after I lost lots of fat I started losing muscle - you can tell because me training top stunk of amonia (did not realise this was a catabloic sign till I had been doing this for ages
HIIT is great but better on food in the stomach - I find it makes me ravenous throughout the day though
HIIT is great but better on food in the stomach - I find it makes me ravenous throughout the day though
maccer said:
Really, I never new about the amonia thing. I think thats what my wrestling shirts always end up smelling like. What is your guys opinions of wrestling for fat loss/ muscle gain (when natural). Wrestling gets you in great cardio shape but wrestlers aren't usually quite the specimens that a lot of wieghtlifters become, what's your opinions on that?
Vascular Freak
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OMEGA said:Not a moot point do to AAS being quit ANTICATABOLIC.( it why they give it to patients and HRT clients sometimes to preserve muscle mass, not only sexual function)
And again its a bad concept for you as applicable to your experiences which of course is valid, just as valid as ours on the apposing side based our great results.
again even though a calorie is a calorie,Cardio for people like us will raise BMR to a marked degree if done in the AM asap, the earlier in the day you do it, the earlier in the day you've raised your BMR. You will burn calories for a longer period of waking-hours .Hence more Net calories burned.
ADD a PM lifting session and good by fatty
i sure hope ur right baby cus thats what i'm doin and this "shit" must go!!! lol
wellbilt
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i had that same omonia smellin sweat when i droped my carbs real low and my weight training went to shitD_Mac said:
i had real good fat loss effects taking a whey protien shake right before cardio ,it seemed to help alot for me
i think were all different and everyone responds differently to different things the whole idea of cardio on an empty stomach burns more fat makes sesnse but i think theres a greater chance of burning muscle if the cardio seesion becomes to intense
a creed
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Nelson Montana said:
Bullshit for who?
I've spent YEARS switching Cardio methods/times up and FAR AND AWAY the "best" results for me have been cardio (first thing in the morning on an empty stomach). THAT'S a FACT for me...........
NM - you have to realize that you "generalize" too much with your advice without understanding that NOT EVERYONE'S BODY RESPONDS THE SAME WAY TO THE SAME STIMULI.
If I was to follow your protocol for Cardio and fat loss , I would be taking a step backward..........
Does this mean your an idiot?
Nope..........it just means you can't dial into every single human being with the same protocol................
Common sense bro..........common sense............
needtogetaas
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lol sounds good to me....some one pass the pin.DBBT said:
gjohnson5
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I've found that as long as I keep my calories maintenance and I am using stuff like ampify02 , dermacrine and AIFM, AM cardio is unnecessary. My body burns fat just fine doing cardio 5:00pm instead of 5:00am. Afternoon cardio does not burn as much muscle because cortisol levels have dropped and/or have been reduced by some of the above supps.
The body requires glucose for the first 15-20 minutes of activity. So a man with excessive muscles will go catabolic to fuel that cardio. After which fat will be burned. I believe the rate of fat burned is excellerated after that initial 15 minute period, so I have found that longer bouts of cardio in the afternoon work just fine.
The body requires glucose for the first 15-20 minutes of activity. So a man with excessive muscles will go catabolic to fuel that cardio. After which fat will be burned. I believe the rate of fat burned is excellerated after that initial 15 minute period, so I have found that longer bouts of cardio in the afternoon work just fine.
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Anthony Roberts
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It really doesn't matter, to be honest, when you do your cardio, in realistic terms.
Everyone's genetics are very different. When I was 16, I knew nothing about catabolism and dieted hard and did a lot of jogging. I got very very thin, and never got a full 6-pack abs, but in retrospect lost a ton of muscle. I had very skinny arms and legs and a small roll of a gut, and looked terrible. After that I am very careful about muscle loss so I've always got protein in me and am taking measurements as I do cardio.
I think AM cardio is more intense in terms of buring stored reserves, but for some it may be too catabolic, but for others it may be the extra kick needed to move a stubborn metabolism.
I think AM cardio is more intense in terms of buring stored reserves, but for some it may be too catabolic, but for others it may be the extra kick needed to move a stubborn metabolism.
Questions for Nelson and Omega, AR:
In what way are steroids anti-catabolic during cardio/fat loss? Don't muscles require stress and load to get the steroids to bind to the receptors to force growth? Or does simply having the steroids floating around cause growth, or stop catabolism by some other mechanism? What's really going on there?
In what way are steroids anti-catabolic during cardio/fat loss? Don't muscles require stress and load to get the steroids to bind to the receptors to force growth? Or does simply having the steroids floating around cause growth, or stop catabolism by some other mechanism? What's really going on there?
i have better results in the pm doing my cardio about 2 hours after my last protein/fat meal and having all my carbs after my cardio session.
recently i have been doing 30 minutes after my training sessions. before i start i have 10 to 15 grams of bcaas. the results have been great. i think cardio after weights puts you in a better physiological state to burn fat compared to am cardio. your body is not starved after training but energy stores are depleted. just my opinion. i have done am cardio though for over a decade now.
recently i have been doing 30 minutes after my training sessions. before i start i have 10 to 15 grams of bcaas. the results have been great. i think cardio after weights puts you in a better physiological state to burn fat compared to am cardio. your body is not starved after training but energy stores are depleted. just my opinion. i have done am cardio though for over a decade now.
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Anthony Roberts
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td1111 said:
You should start a new thread on this.
MassiveNewbie
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A little off-topic from the last post, but I'm just wondering. Does the body burn/eat the fat or muscle first when it needs something to feed from? Thanks! 
td1111 said:
I actually have some issue with this that are in contrast to some accepted tenets. (Surprise!) Steroids are growth drugs and yes, they work by supplying stressed muscles with extra nitrogen. I believe catabolism and anti catabolisn are WAAAAAY exagerated. Steroids are not great for fat loss other than they'll put on a tiny bit of muscle which in turn helps to burn fat. It is not the most efficacious way to utilize them.
