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3 Months Bulking - Feedback Requested

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heck yea it does, even where i live in MS we have soooooo many canadians coming to our hospital to get surgery done because the waiting list is so long in canada that they will die from not having the surgery or have permanent unfixable damage.
 
I just finished reading this thread and I am VERY impressed with the amount of time and the SOLID advice that dabuffguy gave. Musclemom, I understand where you are coming from but judging by his poor diet and workout routine, it all makes sense to me why he wasn't seeing the gains he likes. I bet the next time he posts a 3-month mass thread, he will have some serious muscle added to his frame.
 
Two comments: Are you really going to failure? It is hard to do without a spotter and especially with a home gym. If you are going to failure, try cutting back to 1 set only taken to failure. I think you may be over-training. Also, get some blood work done to check your testosterone levels and a thyroid panel. Oh, and go Platinum!
 
Two comments: Are you really going to failure? It is hard to do without a spotter and especially with a home gym. If you are going to failure, try cutting back to 1 set only taken to failure. I think you may be over-training.

I was training to failure but it's hard to tell if I could mentally push myself further. If I cut back to just 1 set to failure I'm changing my routine back more towards what everyone else here is telling me NOT to do. I'm not doing steroids or anything, this is pure natural bodybuilding attempts.

Also, get some blood work done to check your testosterone levels and a thyroid panel. Oh, and go Platinum!

I'm thinking about getting some blood work done but it is an issue of money for me... if I start working again it won't be an issue... hopefully work will be sooner than later...

Guys here's an update of what happened yesterday...

Basically I was doing squats and I was paying attention to my legs trying to focus on my form... my form seemed a bit off... anyway, I did this:

80kg x 10
80kg x 9
80kg x 3 -- this is where I failed. I went down on the 3rd or maybe 4th rep and couldn't push the weight back up. I was kinda stuck under the barbell. I ended up getting it off me by tipping it to the side.
70kg x 6

So, compared to last week this was a complete screw up. I was aiming at doing 80kg for all 4 sets, and I thought I would be ok, because I could do a few more reps on the second set, yet I got to the point where I felt like I couldn't do another rep and I did it anyway because it was only the 3rd/4th rep and I felt like... if I can't do this now, I'm not progressing, and I've been wasting my time. Needless to say my mental attitude was incredibly poor due to this accident with the weights. I also hurt my shoulders a bit, and I had to get the rest of the workout done and I was wasting precious time. I ended up doing the rest of the workout, but I did lighter weights than I could have. I even had to skip one exercise because it was already 1 hour 10 mins and it was pitch black outside... the workout went down the drain...

I've been trying so hard to build this muscle up, to get in a body I'm confortable with, I was in tears... I'm not ashamed to say that... this IS that important to me. It's been my goal for the longest time. To first lose that weight, then to build this muscle, and so far I feel like I'm just going right back to point A gaining nothing but fat. That one moment of screwing up made ruined my whole workout but has put me in a rotten mood since.

Anyway I just have to chalk it down to the fact I lost another opportunity to build muscle. My legs are hurting today, but I could have pushed myself, and It was not progressive overload so there won't be any new muscle coming in anytime soon. I'm really hoping that I have increased my strength for tomorrows workout... it may be true I worked out with flaws the last 3 months but its been 3 months of dedication and exhaustion and times where I feel like I am getting nothing in return for all my efforts except FAT gain which is going to take me even more time to get rid of.

The moment I discover I have gained some muscle and know how to truly do it through actual experience, I will have accomplished my goal. For many its an easy task, and to be honest I didn't think it would be this hard... but its an important step in my life as I've chosen it to be.

Why do I want to build muscle so badly anyway?? C'mon guys... I want to feel confortable inside this body of mine, I want to increase my strength so my back doesn't hurt me so damn much from the scoliosis I have... I want girls to notice me and all that too, of course...

ANYWAY I wil have to let you guys know how I go with my next workout.
 
Guys here's an update of what happened yesterday...

Basically I was doing squats and I was paying attention to my legs trying to focus on my form... my form seemed a bit off... anyway, I did this:

80kg x 10
80kg x 9
80kg x 3 -- this is where I failed. I went down on the 3rd or maybe 4th rep and couldn't push the weight back up. I was kinda stuck under the barbell. I ended up getting it off me by tipping it to the side.
70kg x 6

So, compared to last week this was a complete screw up. I was aiming at doing 80kg for all 4 sets, and I thought I would be ok, because I could do a few more reps on the second set, yet I got to the point where I felt like I couldn't do another rep and I did it anyway because it was only the 3rd/4th rep and I felt like... if I can't do this now, I'm not progressing, and I've been wasting my time. Needless to say my mental attitude was incredibly poor due to this accident with the weights. I also hurt my shoulders a bit, and I had to get the rest of the workout done and I was wasting precious time. I ended up doing the rest of the workout, but I did lighter weights than I could have. I even had to skip one exercise because it was already 1 hour 10 mins and it was pitch black outside... the workout went down the drain...

I've been trying so hard to build this muscle up, to get in a body I'm confortable with, I was in tears... I'm not ashamed to say that... this IS that important to me. It's been my goal for the longest time. To first lose that weight, then to build this muscle, and so far I feel like I'm just going right back to point A gaining nothing but fat. That one moment of screwing up made ruined my whole workout but has put me in a rotten mood since.

Anyway I just have to chalk it down to the fact I lost another opportunity to build muscle. My legs are hurting today, but I could have pushed myself, and It was not progressive overload so there won't be any new muscle coming in anytime soon. I'm really hoping that I have increased my strength for tomorrows workout... it may be true I worked out with flaws the last 3 months but its been 3 months of dedication and exhaustion and times where I feel like I am getting nothing in return for all my efforts except FAT gain which is going to take me even more time to get rid of.

The moment I discover I have gained some muscle and know how to truly do it through actual experience, I will have accomplished my goal. For many its an easy task, and to be honest I didn't think it would be this hard... but its an important step in my life as I've chosen it to be.

Why do I want to build muscle so badly anyway?? C'mon guys... I want to feel confortable inside this body of mine, I want to increase my strength so my back doesn't hurt me so damn much from the scoliosis I have... I want girls to notice me and all that too, of course...

ANYWAY I wil have to let you guys know how I go with my next workout.


Stop worrying about how much weight you are lifting. Building muscle has nothing to do with how much weight you can do. Being strong and building muscle size don't necessarily go hand in hand.

Work each set in the rep range I told you to do. A 3 rep set of squats is NOT!! what the program is bro. 10-12 reps EVERY SET! That means if you have to decrease the weight to hit that rep range, then do it. Even a 9 rep set = fail. 10 reps is a minimum here. I'd rather see you doing 15 reps and being a little light than being too heavy and getting less than 10. Follow the workout plan and adjust the weight accordingly.

It's good to see that you pushed it hard enough that you couldn't get the bar up. That's the intensity we are looking for. Next time, just dump it off of your shoulders behind you.

I'd rather you started your workout with the 70KG, and got 15 reps the first few sets. I ALWAYS squat in the 12-15 rep range. I can max squat about 185kg (405lbs), but I always do my working sets with 110kg at high reps for growth, not power and strength. Granted 2 months ago I injured my back and haven't been able to squat since then and my legs are now puny again.


Building a muscular body isn't an easy task for anybody bro. It takes years to get to where you want to be.

And as far as proressive overload goes, once you can do more than 15 reps on your sets, then add a little more weight to your sets and work until you achieve the same 15 reps at that weight, and increase the weight. More reps can also be considered progressive overload. Progressive overload doesn't mean "add more weight". It means increasing the demands of the body for muscle growth. More reps at a given weight is a greater demand upon the body, so it's progressive overload. There are MANY ways to achiever progressive over load. More wight, more reps, more sets, more frequent (as long as you recover properly), less time between sets, and greater intensity.

So, for you we have done atleast 3 of those if you are following the rep range I told you. More reps, more sets, and more intensity. Also, muscle mind connection. I know you haven;t achieved this because your sets are too heavy to be able to focus on this. Don't lift too heavy. More weight will come, if you follow the program bro. More weight comes with time only. You have to take the idea that you have to do more weight in your brain and throw it in the garbage, because you don't. The others you can change automatically. Follow the program and you will make progress.




More importantly, how's the diet? You eating a lot more? I hope so, because otherwise you aren't going to get anywhere.
 
Thanks dabuffguy,

I realized after that workout I was trying to push too much... I should have gone back to 70kg but to be honest I'm rushing myself without completely realizing it.

I'll show you what I ate last tuesday (workout day):

Meal 1

-Rice Bubbles with Fat Free Soy Milk
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 1.5 Scoops with Fat Free Soy Milk

Meal 2

-Mixed frozen veggies (about 1 or 2 serves)
-Wholegrain Rolled Oats
-Meatballs (mince, beef)
-2 Small Pizzas, home made with cheese and some peperoni

Meal 3 (pre-workout)
-Wholegrain Rolled Oats
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 1.5 Scoops with Fat Free Soy Milk

Post Workout Shake
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 2 Scoops with Fat Free Soy Milk
-60g Glucose sugar (or when I run out it will be dextrose which I found is cheaper)

Meal 4 (post-post-workout)
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 1 Scoop with Fat Free Soy Milk
-about 200g of tuna in olive oil blend
-1 slice white bread

Meal 5 (pre-bed)
-3 cups Basmati rice
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 1.5 Scoops with Fat Free Soy Milk

Total Calories
3, 994 (18% fat, 47% carbs, 35% protein)

Judging this myself I realize its only 5 meals, but I wasn't awake as much throughout the day to eat 6 meals. In meal 4 I would have normally had half a chicken but the store was out so I was stuck with tuna for that meal and I had a protein shake to up the protein level amount. My aim is actually have veggies with at least 2 meals of the day but yeah I fell short of that this day. I read that I should eat some simpler-carbs for the morning to "break-the-fast" which is why I have rice bubbles cereal.

Please critique this that'd be helpful... I'll post up what I eat today too maybe later though... other days I mix it up have things like some scrambled eggs, peanut butter wholemeal toast... i'm trying to get more variety... if it counts I eat a bit of chocolate lately too lol. Yesterday I was out most of the day I ate a chicken burger and some chips... I'm thinking the chips were a bad move but lol it's the first time I had take-away type food in months.
 
Two comments: Are you really going to failure? It is hard to do without a spotter and especially with a home gym. If you are going to failure, try cutting back to 1 set only taken to failure. I think you may be over-training. Also, get some blood work done to check your testosterone levels and a thyroid panel. Oh, and go Platinum!

nice to hear from you george! i like the server upgrade, it's much faster. you should stop by the karma bookie section sometime :D
 
Thanks dabuffguy,

I realized after that workout I was trying to push too much... I should have gone back to 70kg but to be honest I'm rushing myself without completely realizing it.

I'll show you what I ate last tuesday (workout day):

Meal 1

-Rice Bubbles with Fat Free Soy Milk (replace with 1 cup oats)
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 1.5 Scoops with Fat Free Soy Milk


Meal 2

-Mixed frozen veggies (about 1 or 2 serves) (good)
- Rolled oats (Do rice or potato instead here.)
-Meatballs (mince, beef) (is the beef lean? lke 90%+ lean.)

-2 Small Pizzas, home made with cheese and some peperoni
(Add some milk here bro)


Meal 3 (pre-workout)
-Wholegrain Rolled Oats
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 1.5 Scoops with Fat Free Soy Milk

Post Workout Shake
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 2 Scoops with Fat Free Soy Milk
-60g Glucose sugar (or when I run out it will be dextrose which I found is cheaper)

Meal 4 (post-post-workout)
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 1 Scoop with Fat Free Soy Milk
-about 200g of tuna in olive oil blend (do chicken some days)
-1 slice white bread

Meal 5 (pre-bed)
-3 cups Basmati rice
-Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein 1.5 Scoops with Fat Free Soy Milk

Total Calories
3, 994 (18% fat, 47% carbs, 35% protein)

Judging this myself I realize its only 5 meals, but I wasn't awake as much throughout the day to eat 6 meals. In meal 4 I would have normally had half a chicken but the store was out so I was stuck with tuna for that meal and I had a protein shake to up the protein level amount. My aim is actually have veggies with at least 2 meals of the day but yeah I fell short of that this day. I read that I should eat some simpler-carbs for the morning to "break-the-fast" which is why I have rice bubbles cereal. (eh, screw that. Drink 100% fruit juice instead for your simple carbs and eat oats for breakfast. I don't think Ronnie coleman doesn't eat rice krispies for breakfast.)

Please critique this that'd be helpful... I'll post up what I eat today too maybe later though... other days I mix it up have things like some scrambled eggs, peanut butter wholemeal toast... i'm trying to get more variety... if it counts I eat a bit of chocolate lately too lol. Yesterday I was out most of the day I ate a chicken burger and some chips... I'm thinking the chips were a bad move but lol it's the first time I had take-away type food in months.

Don't be too concerned about cleanliness of diet right now. Just make sure you are getting in the 300 quality grams of protein and overall calories.
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Why soy milk? Why fat free?


I'm not seeing enough meat in there. Meat 3 times a day, atleast 8oz (220grams) each time. Using 4-5 protein shakes daily get expensive over time. Try and get more meat in there to avoid the need to supplement with protein so much. It's better anyways.



You need casein protein before bed, not whey. Or cottage cheese works too. Something that digests slowly. Whey digests quickly, so the majority of the night your body doesn't have available protein. Or just 300 grams of chicken.



Not bad bro. A few tweaks to up the protein a bit, and you should be rockin.

And drink TONS of water. Stay hydrated.
 
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Why soy milk? Why fat free?

lactose intolerant, fat free cause I got used to it when I was cutting


I'm not seeing enough meat in there. Meat 3 times a day, atleast 8oz (220grams) each time. Using 4-5 protein shakes daily get expensive over time. Try and get more meat in there to avoid the need to supplement with protein so much. It's better anyways.

yea my only concern is eating RED meat 3 times a day. I was told you should only have that 3 times a week... I honestly have no idea about that though... the best substitute is tuna I can get about 200g of it for 3 meals a day for a while if my parents keep buyin it until I get my own money to help myself out here anyway.. I have a small budget for protein maybe ill just take the money outa there when Im out of meat n buy that instead but yea I need some meat ideas that are cheap from supermarket? best I can think of is poultry like chicken, unless the red meat think is innacurate than I can probably get some other stuff inthere?


You need casein protein before bed, not whey. Or cottage cheese works too. Something that digests slowly. Whey digests quickly, so the majority of the night your body doesn't have available protein. Or just 300 grams of chicken.

I overlooked this but maybe thats a big mistake.. I mean considering muscle develops a lot when your sleeping right?


Not bad bro. A few tweaks to up the protein a bit, and you should be rockin.


And drink TONS of water. Stay hydrated.

I drink 3 glasses with each meal. its easier than trying to drink one every hour.

Yea ok im off for my next workout
 
It doesn't have to be beef 3 times per day. Meat, flesh of an animal. 1 red, 1 fish, and one chicken. or 2 chicken and 1 fish. Yes, I wouldn't eat 3/4kg of red meat every day either.


If your budget requires, you can buy white meat chicken in a can too. But you should be able to get 1kg of chicken breast for like $5-6 dollars US. Where are you from btw? UK/AUS?


Use reduced fat, but not skim milk. More easy calories.

Yep, use a slow digesting protein at night bro. It makes a difference.
 
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