21yr old from my gym...DEAD!

[biteme]

is an echo the best way to check for heart prolems?

Not sure, but it can detect enlarged heart, hidden problems. Probably what the dr. would order if he suspected possible heart trouble.

 

[georgie24]

a few months ago i had an ekg done by substitute doctor b/cause mine was away on vaca, when she saw it she asked me if i had any family history of sudden deaths or heart attacks, i said yea my uncle died at 25 just droppped dead. she looked shocked and concerned. then my doc comes back from vaca and reads my ekg and says im fine...wtf!!??

 

[VictorBR]

Zyg: I didn't feel this was the time or place to start espousing my personal opinion of recommended dosages. I touch upon that in the book and elaborate more deeply in an upcoming book , but I'm not trying to hawk sales, it's just a complicated subject and deserves more than a casual mention.

In regards to the post, I was mearly trying to bring things "down to earth" so to speak, I'm a writer, and I felt to need to write about what happened. I'm sorry if you found it "old."

In an effort to be fair, I will address a few things, now that it's been brought up.

Some of the advice I see on this board is, in my opinion, beyond irreponsible. But everyone has a right to do what they want and it isn't my job to stop them. People get defensive. They get antagonistic. I've even been accused of being "jeoulous of not being 260 pounds, when I can't imagine why ANYONE would WANT to be 260 pounds! But that's me.

Incidentally, I also trust that when liftsiron says the book is book for beginners I presume he means it will help beginners -- not that the information is basic and mainstream. I can't tell you how many publishers said it was too radical because it isn't what "the establishment" says. My guess is that lifer is very advanced.

Here are a few quick points about drug use. Take it for what it's worth.

1-Recommending anything more than 400mgs a week to a first timer: Dumb.

2-Anyone taking more than 1500mgs a week: Dumb.

3-Staying on for more than 8 weeks: Dumb.

4-Using veterinarian products: Dumb.

5-Using Anadrol or Halo: Dumb

6-Using Clomid for weeks: Dumb.

7-Using Insulin: Dumb.

8-Using Insulin with GH: Very Dumb.

9-Bridging. Dumb

10-Using Cytomel, Clenbuteral, RU486, Dopamine, Synthol, Nubain, Diuetics, or DNP: Insane.

Now I'm sure I've pissed off half the board with this. But fuck it. That's the way I see it. And I've seen a lot.

If this hurts the sale of my book, so be it. If it makes one person think twice about doing something stupid, it's more than worth it.



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1- Agree

2- Unless you are a PRO like Coleman , I agree , he needs more than 1.5 g , WE DON"T . SO , I agree

3- I really dont agree here , 8 weeks might not be enough for someone to reach their goal . So , if you want to go in a 20 weeks cycle to reach your goals , fine . IT IS BETTER than doing 8 weeks here , stop 8 weeks , do 8 weeks again , stop 8 weeks ..... you will just keep screwing your body , you recover , then you screw it again , recover , screw ...... no sense . It is better to screw it ONCE and for ALL , and then recover ONLY ONE TIME .

4- I also don't agree there are really PURE and fine vet products around ... NO SENSE .

5- Agree

6- Agree

7- Again we don't need it, but Coleman does ....so it might be dumb for us but not for him

8- Same as above

9- AGree

10 - clenbuterol and T-3 are not that bad really . The rest I agree it is stupid , insane and dump


just my 0.2 cents


Victor

 

[fatmasterfat]

I'm amazed at how many people can think of how this effected them, or gives them an opportunity to say how they dont abuse steroids. This young man just lost his life and all you can think about is yourselves.

My deepest condolences to his family and friends, our prayers are with you.

RIP

 

[KA-BAR]

There are so many things that can cause shit it’s not funny and it’s very sad if someone dies of something or has a heart attack and they cannot figure out the problem everyone points to the steroids.

I had a heart attack a month ago from a blood clot blocking my main coronary artery. I got life flighted and all that good shit but the doctors did every type of test they could think of and still could not figure out what caused the clot. I have not been on steroids for 3 months. The doctors told me it’s possible the roids caused thickening of the blood but they where not sure. Once they found out other things I was taking stuff started to make sense.

They don’t think it was the androgens now. I was a big time anti e guy and estrogen has many cardiovascular protective effects. Blockers, aromatize inhibitors , or non-aromatizing steroids may play a part in what happened to me by decreasing the circulating estrogen concentrations is very bad.

It’s scary when the doctors at one of the best hospitals in the world cannot pin point what caused the clot. Hell my arteries where fine and my cholesterol was fine. Well I did not have enough good cholesterol so that can be the same as having bad but still not reason to form a clot. They think it was just one of those freak things that happen sometimes. Now I get to take cholesterol med’s the rest of my life and lipitor is worse than taking a bombs for your liver. Whel the dosage I am on anyway. After 3 months I will only be on 10mg. Even though my cholesterol was not bad when you start having heart problems they put you on it anyway.

Here is the messed up part about the whole heart attack. You know what the rumors are around town are now don’t you? He made top 100 benchers in IPF and he abuses steroids that’s how he has his heart attack. And most people believe it. Hell I was into building up my body not tearing it down. I would run 2 miles 2x a week even. My diet was not the best but it is now.

Luckily it did not do a whole lot of damage to my heart and I will be ok but non the less it was a heart attack. Scary shit. Especially when you have a whole house fu

 

[slash747]

I have a friend heading in the same direction. He is 30 and is pretty much popping whatever he can into his body, whether it be prop, winny, sust, he does not even do cycles anymore, just whatever he can get his hands on at that time. And then lets not forget the coccaine and alchohol binges he goes on .Ive grown up with this guy known him my whole life, he was the guy that got me into BB and I felt for a while like I owed him. But now I realized theres nothing I can do but help his poor father pay for his funeral. Life is a bitch.

I lost my best friend last year at 22yrs old. I've mentioned this before on here before. Autopsy reports said that he had an enlarged ventricle(of course). He only used moderate doses on cycles and only juiced for a few years. He was 6'0" 247lbs@ 8-9%bf. Strong mofo too. Squatted 500+lbs benched 440lbs,etc.

He did abuse a lot of different rec drugs including coke which he used on and off for many years. I still don't know the exact cause of death but it was either a heartattack or anuerysm. I was told by his brother that when they found him he had blood coming out of his nose and ears. He had been deceased for 2 days before they discovered him in his house. What does that sound like to you guys? Anuerysm?

I wish I knew what it was specifically. It worries me a lot, especially lately because I'm experiencing some of the same things he did before he passed. I'm not saying I'm dying but I've been feeling very fucked up for the past week. I went to the doc today to request complete blood work done, so hopefully I'll know something by Friday. The doc seemed worried when I told him my symptoms so that didn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. I really hope its nothing.

 

[dee_wire]

Died Saturday of enlarged heart. Had been abusing steroids for 2 yrs. Was about 5'6" at 200lbs and pretty ripped. My feeling is that this kid lived in the fast lane and abused alot of things. Also, I think this was probably a pre exisiting condition. Obviously the juice didnt help it and people are going to automatically point to steroids. I know he abused 17aa orals alot...Any way, the father wants the police to pursue the issue. wants to know where he got it from. This is just another good reason why you only help yourself out and never admit to anyone that you juice. You never want your name popping up somewhere.

sad story. prayer goes out to his family