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digimon7068
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they don't?? dang 
walliwalibus
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL! OK whats the joke here?
heavy_duty
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I'm actually sayin that no supps work- they all suck.
mrplunkey
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Depends on how you define "work". Creatine "works" but 200 mg of test/week works a *lot* better.
So the best supplement is probably still weaker than the lowest clinical dose of gear.
Creepusmaximus
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Creatine just bloats you up. Does it do anything other than that????? Maybe, maybe not. Think you are more likely to train hard when you think you have an edge.
mrplunkey
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No, creatine is legit. I'm very anti-supplements unless they are creatine or a cleverly disguised oral steroid repackaged as a "prohormone", but those two can produce results.
Still no comparison to even 200 mg/week of cyp tho.
walliwalibus
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Depends on what you mean by supp's. Multi-vitamins don't work? DX7 doesn't work? That's a supplement. Some diuretic supplements do actually work, but I believe companies load them full of so many different things that you don't need in there just to say it's better. But they do their function if properly done. Read up on creatine a little too. Supplements is such a generic word, you are using a general term and saying things don't work..... please take it to the supplements forum and show some proof that all supp's suck.
javaguru
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My favorite supplements come from the tip of a 22 gauge needle
25 gauge was my preference....less scar tissue and quite painless, EOD test Prop/tren acetate injections get old but they're effective.
mrplunkey
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I'm an ethanate guy. It takes a long time to squeeze-off 2ml even with a 22g needle. I can't imagine 25g -- I'd have to pack a lunch.
needtogetaas
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Ok name one you think is pushed heavy on this board that you don't think works. Lets not be a little pussy and post a thread like this in chat were you are well protected by hater friends bro. You are in the forum this thread should have been made in now bro so lets here it... I see you make a lot of broad statements with very very very little facts behind them.... So Please show us all what you are made of and all the great knowledge you have man. We are all waiting in suspense. Enlighten us!!!!!!
javaguru
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Ok name one you think is pushed heavy on this board that you don't think works. Lets not be a little pussy and post a thread like this in chat were you are well protected by hater friends bro. You are in the forum this thread should have been made in now bro so lets here it... I see you make a lot of broad statements with very very very little facts behind them.... So Please show us all what you are made of and all the great knowledge you have man. We are all waiting in suspense. Enlighten us!!!!!!
I swear by my my milk isolate protein powder....one of the highest quality proteins and reduced unwanted stuff like lactose.
This is my supplement basic stack
Fish oil
multi vitamin
Milk Isolate protein powder
Creatine
If you're old like me then you should add a Gluco/Chrondroit/MSM supplement.
needtogetaas
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If any one has paid attention I sport the hulk when I am trenning out.
javaguru
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No doubt, it takes a while but I was injecting in my traps, chest, shoulders and thighs in addition to the standard site. I preferred short esters because I liked short cycles, I have good roid genetics and did two week cycles, something Dan Duchaine advocated back in the day. No need for post cycle recovery and it actually worked for solid gains.
My first cycle was two amps of sten a week for two weeks, I gained twelve pounds and kept ten of it.
needtogetaas
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I swear by my my milk isolate protein powder....one of the highest quality proteins and reduced unwanted stuff like lactose.
This is my supplement basic stack
Fish oil
multi vitamin
Milk Isolate protein powder
If you're old like me then you should add a Gluco/Chrondroit/MSM supplement.
Well if one wanted to be hard core with protein they would use egg protein wich is the best and most pure there is but its taste like asshole.
Gluco/Chrondroit/MSM supplement works pretty good but most people dismiss it because it dont work fast enough for them... It takes at least a month to start getting the effects of this and you should just stay on it. I do have a topical version coming out soon that will give instant effects...
Fish oil??? have you looked into krill oil? If not please do so.
How do you feel about bcaa's ?
needtogetaas
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No doubt, it takes a while but I was injecting in my traps, chest, shoulders and thighs in addition to the standard site. I preferred short esters because I liked short cycles, I have good roid genetics and did two week cycles, something Dan Duchaine advocated back in the day. No need for post cycle recovery and it actually worked for solid gains.
My first cycle was two amps of sten a week for two weeks, I gained twelve pounds and kept ten of it.
I like short esters too. More because I am a sick fuck and love pinning myself. The more the better...
As for two week cycles it may work for some people and it may work at a young age with no pct but its not the norm for anyone... I am willing to bet he changed his mind about this later on in life.. I have noticed Dan Duchaine has did a double many many times on his advice of old.... The guy has been around a long time and he himself has realized he fucked up many many times....
Gawd
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I just read up on Krill Oil, this seems like really good stuff.
Know where to order it?
needtogetaas
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lmao. That has been my problem to bro. I been reading about it for a long time now but still trying to find out where the fuck to get some... I heard word a few months ago that pp was going to have some but nothing has come threw.
Gawd
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Yea, I was actually just reading about a topical version of it. Thought of PP right away, lol.
I found one canadian place that sells caps, but its like $19 for 30. And from what I read, a larger person should load up by taking like 5 caps a day for a bit.. then cut it down to 2 or 3.
needtogetaas
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Well I do not think pp is comingout with a topical version
but I did get word they were looking into making a cap of this... Not sure if plans fell threw or what happen... I know its a good idea and even better if pp does it.
Gawd
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Well it sounds like getting the krill is no easy task.
needtogetaas
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Which may be the reason its taking a long time or it fell threw. Krill oil is pretty hard to get and its way better then reg fish oil... If they get some I will be one of the first to make a order.
I love these pointless threads....no purpose, originator can never seem to back his post.
heavy_duty
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Ok name one you think is pushed heavy on this board that you don't think works. Lets not be a little pussy and post a thread like this in chat were you are well protected by hater friends bro. You are in the forum this thread should have been made in now bro so lets here it... I see you make a lot of broad statements with very very very little facts behind them.... So Please show us all what you are made of and all the great knowledge you have man. We are all waiting in suspense. Enlighten us!!!!!!
When I'm ready to get booted for good then I'll be happy to expand on my statement. Till then I'll remain a pussy.
heavy_duty
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I aint first to start a pointless thread in C&C.
Strongbow
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Maybe you just ain't using the right supps.When I'm ready to get booted for good then I'll be happy to expand on my statement. Till then I'll remain a pussy.
heavy_duty
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The first supp I bought was in 1975 a Weider powder called "BIG". I kept buying supps up till 2006.
Yes some protien powders are good and multi vitamins too but now I must bite my tongue, should have left this in C&C.
On a side note, how about you all post up what year you bought your first supplement that was not a vitamin.
Strongbow
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Okay well you bought your first supps the year I was born, so I am not going to argue that point. And I would agree that a lot of the shit they push through GNC and places like that are shit. But there are those that I have personally used that work. Protein is a must and its hard to get the protein you need to put on size by eating alone. Case and point week 1 test deca and mosterdrol cycle, protein intake 2g per pound, gained 6lbs. Week two gained 8 lbs. Week three got sick couldn't handle the protein lost 3 lbs. Week four back to 2g per pound gained 6more lbs. So gear does its job when you give the supps it needs to work is what I have learned. You cant say that kinda stuff bro and not be more specific. WHat don't work? Thats like saying all black folks like rap music and all white folks is into Country, just dont hold water like that BRo. Sorry.The first supp I bought was in 1975 a Weider powder called "BIG". I kept buying supps up till 2006.
Yes some protien powders are good and multi vitamins too but now I must bite my tongue, should have left this in C&C.
On a side note, how about you all post up what year you bought your first supplement that was not a vitamin.
digimon7068
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agreed
<---200mg cyp every 10 days + 1iu gh ed. . .oh yeah. . .and creatine, 200g's whey protein ed, diet, cardio, and moderate intensity weight training. . .
heavy_duty
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1- I did say protien powders are good we all know that.
2- I have never purchased anything from GNC
3- I have purchased hyped products on line though
4- I'm black and like rap
5- My wife is white and likes country
needtogetaas
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When I'm ready to get booted for good then I'll be happy to expand on my statement. Till then I'll remain a pussy.
No one will ban you for bringing facts to the table on something bro. If you debate like a adult and bring some real facts and knowledge then we welcome it... Now if all you are going to do is talk about how old you are. Well then ya we should have left this in chat lololo.
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Creatine is actually well studied. However, I'm sure there are those that benefit more than others depending on natural creatine levels and nat. creatine stores.
Age and diet play a large role, but you can't say all creatine does is bloat you.
mrplunkey
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I read a long time ago (years) that they believe creatine increased intracellular water which enhances strength and endurance. That's also one of the many beneficial things testosterone does. Of course, test does soooo much more
J
Just Add Muscle
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Plenty of supplements that work. Trust me the pros do use tons of supplements along with their mega doses of aas and other things. It is what it is. Weight gainer works if you cant get 6 square meals per day its great,same with protein powder,glutamine branched chain aminos a good fat burner,a pre work out arginine formula or a post work out formula. I could go on for days.
I read a long time ago (years) that they believe creatine increased intracellular water which enhances strength and endurance. That's also one of the many beneficial things testosterone does. Of course, test does soooo much more
A long time ago? There are studies that have been done recently that say the same thing.
Among the studied and proven supplements (aside from AAS, DS, and PHs):
-Creatine
-Beta Alanine
-BCAAs/EAA
-Caffeine
-Protein
There are also many supplements that are FDA approved and although I'm not a fan of the FDA, I think this list is a nice tool to use:
1. Niacin (prescription Niaspan for cholesterol)
2. Galantamine (prescription Razadyne for dementia)
3. Fish Oil esters (prescription Omacor for cholesterol)
4. Ephedrine
5. L-DOPA (prescription for PD)
6. Zinc (otc use)
7. Magnesium (otc use)
8. L-Tryptophan (prescription as an amino acid formulation)
9. L-Glutamine (prescription for mucositis)
10. Special Green tea extract (prescription Veregen for genital warts)
11. Yohimbine
12. Caffeine (OTC as an alert aid)
13. Red rice yeast (prescription name Lovastatin for cholesterol)
14. NAC (prescription for liver damage)
15. Bile Acids (prescription for liver support)
16. Iron (prescription for low iron levels)
17. Cyanocobalamin (prescription for low B-12)
18. Hydroxocobalamin (prescription for Cyanide Poisoning)
19. Fiber (OTC for bowel issues)
20. TMG (prescription for homocystinuria)
21. Magnesium (OTC and Prescription for constipation & anticonvulsant)
22. Lithium (Prescription for Bipolar Disorder)
23. GHB (Prescription Xyrem for narcolepsy with cataplexy)
24. Potassum (prescription)
25. DMSO (Prescription for Interstitial cystitis)
26. Calcium (OTC and prescription)
27. DMAE salt (was sold as a prescription)
28. Iodine (prescription)
29. Folic acid (prescription)
30. Capsaicin (OTC for pain)
31. Thiamine (prescription as a formulation)
32. Riboflavin (prescription as a formulation)
The funniest youtube video I have ever seen is Ronnie Coleman spending 20 minutes taking vitamins and supplements out of a large tackle box.
Pros use MANY supplements as both support for health, AAS support, and muscle growth.
javaguru
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I agree about being patient with the joint supplements, people want instant results...you see the "magic" with supplements over months, not days like AAS.
OOps..I should mentioned my supp stack beyond what I posted earlier.
Fish Oil
Borage Oil
I take 20g of BCAA in my workout drink(20g BCAA 40g D-glucose)
Creatine
Multi
TMG
Tyrosine
Alcar
ALA
needtogetaas
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nice
javaguru
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I have good roid genetics, you're right. I've done cycles that didn't work for my friends.I did two weeks on and four weeks off...over a couple years I made huge gains. I went from 198 to 240 with the three steps forward and two steps back approach.
Once I discovered Tren conversion I hit 265-270.
Back in the day, early 1990's, ancillaries were hard to come buy and the only juice you could count on being legit was the Mexican amps. I front loaded a gram of testoprim-D and was hobbled for a week.
wtf is Borage oil?
Strongbow
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You gotta be shitting ME
1- I did say protien powders are good we all know that.
2- I have never purchased anything from GNC
3- I have purchased hyped products on line though
4- I'm black and like rap
5- My wife is white and likes country
Do I know you or what?
LOLNo doubt, it takes a while but I was injecting in my traps, chest, shoulders and thighs in addition to the standard site. I preferred short esters because I liked short cycles, I have good roid genetics and did two week cycles, something Dan Duchaine advocated back in the day. No need for post cycle recovery and it actually worked for solid gains.
My first cycle was two amps of sten a week for two weeks, I gained twelve pounds and kept ten of it.
Would this work for an oral like mosterdrol? Very interesting
Ezekiel
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Forgot to post my supps:
Protien Sup: Isolate twice a day and Egg protien once a day! I can't stand Tuna or Salmon! Oddly though, where I live has some of the best Salmon fishing in the world!
One a days.
Creatine
BCAA: Personally i find as I'm sure many others do if I take BCAA's w/ my protien right after my workouts I don't hurt as much (DOMS) Cause when I do miss that shake and bsaas after I kill like a mofo
Fish Oil
B12 & extra Vit C (due to low carb)
Protien Sup: Isolate twice a day and Egg protien once a day! I can't stand Tuna or Salmon! Oddly though, where I live has some of the best Salmon fishing in the world!
One a days.
Creatine
BCAA: Personally i find as I'm sure many others do if I take BCAA's w/ my protien right after my workouts I don't hurt as much (DOMS) Cause when I do miss that shake and bsaas after I kill like a mofo
Fish Oil
B12 & extra Vit C (due to low carb)
javaguru
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Orals are a good choice for short cycles but I would never do a cycle without test, I can't explain why but it just solidifies things. If you have to use a longer ester...front load it.
needtogetaas
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Front loading is crap.
javaguru
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I disagree.
If you are using short esters, there's no need.
I always do an extra 1ml the first time with enanthate.
mrplunkey
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If I'm starting on a Sunday, I'll always do an extra 2ml of ethanate (@ 200 mg/ml) on the Wednesday beforehand even though my "official" start date is that Sunday (i.e. Week 1).
