Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[the_alcatraz]

Nelson is always good to bring a legit and viable conversation to the board, even if it is controversial. I like that. Thinking out of the box is a good thing.

Most definately. There are always mixed opinions about aas, and it shouldn't always mean one thing is wrong and the other one is right.

Look for the grey, don't just see things in black and white.

 

[dabuffguy]

Most definately. There are always mixed opinions about aas, and it shouldn't always mean one thing is wrong and the other one is right.

Look for the grey, don't just see things in black and white.

And polish it to your preference.

If you don't care how suppressed you get, what does it matter? If you are extremely weary of suppression, then nelsons argument does have grounds for consideration.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson is always good to bring a legit and viable conversation to the board, even if it is controversial. I like that. Thinking out of the box is a good thing.

That's really what it's about. Noting is set in stone. And it's not like we're curing cancer here. But every now and then it's important to challenge conventional thinking. And when it comes to newbies they should always to be trying to play it safe as opposed to going with the current fashion -- which will surely change next year.

 

[perryscoon]

I agree 100% with this post.

Var or Primo is best for a first cycle.

Test shuts you down more than anything. Your body already makes test, so when it see's all that extra test floating around, guess what? It STOPS making it.(to make things simple) Some people can NEVER recover fully after being shut down, no matter how much clomid and hcg they take.

Anavar and Primo shut you down the least, if at all and are very good steroids.

 

[HAYEZ]

I always find it funny when I see people use 1.5-2 grs of test and they are the size of my left thigh...maybe that's why

500mgs of test e is enuogh for some pretty good damn growth. 750mgs if you're a beast on your 5th cycle. Anything over a gram and you're just getting rediculous, unless you're competing.

you seem to have great genetics though...imagine the results you would have if you used them type of doses!
alot of people have shitty genetics and have to make up for it by useing alot of gear...some poeple grow crazy on nothing at all

 

[the_alcatraz]

you seem to have great genetics though...imagine the results you would have if you used them type of doses!
alot of people have shitty genetics and have to make up for it by useing alot of gear...some poeple grow crazy on nothing at all

i've pretty much never used anythng above 500mgs of test and I get HUGE and very strong

 

[dabuffguy]

you seem to have great genetics though...imagine the results you would have if you used them type of doses!
alot of people have shitty genetics and have to make up for it by useing alot of gear...some poeple grow crazy on nothing at all

trying to make up for your lack of one thing or another with crazy amounts of steroids is the dumbest shit thing you can do.

I have shitty genetics, started weight lifting at 6'2" and 160 lbs. after retiring from minor league ball (injury).


I was a fucking stick in every sense of the word. 2 1/2 years later I am 218 pounds and I have never used more than 500mg test and 30mg dbol kicker (which was only once, may I add) My other cycle was 250mg test every 5 day, and 20mg dbol kicker, which was after losing all my gains after being sick for 3 months, I dropped from a little over 200 to 170.


For someone who is genetically skinny as shit and all their family on both sides are tall lanky guys, anyone who uses that excuse looks pathetic to me.

Wanna know what the problem is? They don't eat enough. A simple, but major part of the equation.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

I have always liked NM posts. he brings a veiw that others do not see coming. He makes you think.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

The first two points have EVERYTHING to do with the topic bro.

#1 - How many people can afford or are willing to pay that much for their first cycle?

#2 - How well can n00bs tell fake aas from the real deal. Primo being the most faked steroids raises the chances of noobs having a really shity first cycle as a result of bad gear.

As for the rest of your points:

How do you compare the versatility of primo with how you can add test to pretty much everything and anything?

Test gives you size, strength, vascularity, feelings of well being. How well does Primo compare to that.

Usually first cycles are for growth. How well does Primo compare to test if you want a bulking cycle?

Do you think Primo will give anywhere near the gains test will give as a first cycle?

Don't you think Primo is a little overrated, when compared to Masteron, which is pretty close to it?

A lot of people desire "aggression' in their workouts. How does primo compare to test in terms of raising one's aggression?

Test gives you a healthy appetite. Does Primo do that as well, and to what degree?

Bro primo gains tend to be kept more often that Test gains. His original point was that Primo is better d/t less sides and better Post Cycle gains. Even with teh best PCT on board with test or d ball or most others you will still lose some of your gains, for the most part. There is always the excption. BTW your back is jacked.

 

[dabuffguy]

I have always liked NM posts. he brings a veiw that others do not see coming. He makes you think.

there you are, sugartits. been a while. how ya been?