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Writings of the FOUNDING FATHERS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

so ryan, you are calling us gun killers, i can call you a baby killer. anyway, you are again giving me the impression you want guns banned for good ignoring our rights to bare arms. disarming the people is a communitst tactic so they can't fight back. i still hold my stance that criminals should not have guns and i think that every law abiding amercian should be able to own one if they choose. libs to this day still want more laws passed and yet do nothing to enforce the new ones. seems illogical to me. these same baby killers send the message out do as you want with you body yet they pass out condoms in schools and say don't have sex. a bit hypocritical and bass ackwards to me don't ya think?
 
Sushi X said:
a bit hypocritical and bass ackwards to me don't ya think?

Not at all. There's a reason the United States is one of the most violent industralized nations in the world: GUNS.

Our fascination with guns is shown by the thrill our children get at killing one another recently.
 
and just what does ownign a gun have to do with family values? again you libs don't think before you speak. we are not that violent of a nation.look at isreal, syria, russia, northern ireland, mexico, most of the latin american countries, shall i go on. there is more violence in these countries than there will ever be here. why? they are too either too poor do anything about it or they just don't care enough. what is the libs answer, strip everyone of a gun and deconstruct the constitution and see what happends. i tell you what happend, guns get bought on the black market and you get the 2nd civil war/revolutionarey war. plain and simple. guns don't kill people, people kill people. what are you going to say next take away our knives or better yet fireworks? c'om ryan wake up and smell the coffee. you're livin in a dream world.
 
spentagn said:

So you still believe in the outdated theory that individuals are not capable of being law abiding citizens.

I know many individuals, without families, who are more successful than those with families.

Family values usually equals hypocrisy, marriage at the age of 18, and a brief affair with your minister.

Go to Falwells and Robertson's websites if you'd like to learn more about "family values"
 
lol, you make me laugh ryan. now i know why terrorist have;nt hit you yet, you are hillarious. i was saying compared to those other countries we are not that violent. i remember columbine. do you remember the holocaust(sp)? there were more people killed then than has died in this country do to guns.

you still have'nt answered my question, which brings me to another point about libs, they avoid the question and only bring out statements others have mad or bit of statements to suit their purpose which is usually biased and contradicting. back to my question, what are your so called family values. here are mine:

a mother and fater who love each other and work hard to build a strong relationship that no person can break.

parents who love, care for and raise their children to obey the law, do unto others as they would have done to them, to treat people with respect, to do as they are told, to work hard and never give up on life.

parents who teach their children manners and teach to be honest and not be greedy.

i could go on but the basics are their. my children when i have them will learn all this and more. they will also learn of our forefathers fight for freedom from a very well known liberal named king george who believed in high taxes and oppression of the hard working american much like these commies today who call themselves americans.

as for fallwell, remember he does'nt speak for all of us. he's what i call a kuke(sp). you have some evil vendiction against fallwell and robertson, i can see that, but more so you seem to hate christians all together because the bible abonminizes homosexuality and promotes conservatism. you must worship satan becaue he embraces what you do. i'm not saying you do but you share his beliefs on the two latter subjects. now, go ahead and pick through here and pull out what might help you in this argument so i can point it out and make you look foolish. i don't knwo where you come from or why you have this guilt for coming from a rich family and think you dont owe nobody nothing yet those of us who are not rich and work hard for what little we have owe everything to everyone else. like i said you have lived a life of luxury and ease and have not seem what the world has out there. your views and experiences are limited. until you come out into the real world you will never change your views. i think it scares you to come out and see what goes on, not what you see on cnn or fox new but real life stuff. do me this, lay off the liberal website, newsletters and such and go to a poor neighborhood and see how things are then go talk to people who work hard for their mone and pay high taxes(people who work construction, security guards, dishwasher, ect.) and don't have much and tell them you want to pay lower taxes becaue you are rich and feel you don't have to and that they should. then tell them where you want that money to go. i bet you will come back singing a different toon.

peace to you. i gotta go watch ER.
 
If you blame Columbine on guns, you are just another dumb ass liberal looking for a quick fix to a big problem that has been building up for years.

Guns have been around for a long time, yet this just began happening less than a decade ago.

Its a heart problem not a Gun problem----quick fixes never work ---many times they just blow up in your face.

Have you ever been broke in on---in your home and had your life threatened? You might appreciate a gun in such a situation.

I guess we need to outlaw airplanes because about a month ago some terrerists used some to kill alot of people--Yep them airplanes are some bad shit.
 
words of wisdom from the huntmaster.

i agree 100% with you. notice ryan has nothing to say because he knows its the truth.
 
THE MOMENT

I know the exact day, and moment when my views on the Second Amendment were formed.

It was before I knew what the Constitution of the United States of America was.

It was before I knew about the Bill of Rights.

And it was before I’d ever touched a gun.

It was when a Soviet border guard stuck a rifle in my face and threatened to shoot me when I was eight years old.

I haven’t the slightest idea what kind of rifle it was. I don’t know if it was an AK, or an SKS, or any other letters resembling a spoonful of alphabet soup. At that time I couldn’t tell the difference between an M-60 and a Beretta 9mm pistol. But it was a rifle, and it was inches away from my face.

That was the exact moment I knew that the ability to defend yourself is tantamount to life itself.

The border guard was standing in front of a doorway through which they took my dad. My parents and I spent the day in this third-world pit on the border of Poland and Ukraine, waiting to leave the Soviet Union. And since we were Jews, who wanted more than anything to leave the motherland, the border officials, the guards and the so-called “customs officials” made it their official duty to make our lives as miserable as possible while we were there.

So, they rifled through our luggage, confiscating anything they deemed necessary – loosely translated it means they stole our stuff.

They did body searches – strip and orifice searches as well. Not because they really thought we were hiding something, but because they wanted to further humiliate the Jews. It made them feel powerful and strong. It made them feel more than what they actually were. It was the ultimate illusion.

Power.

They say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And the final step to that absolute corruption is taking away a person’s means of self-defense.

It starts with games – mind games – the kind of games that leave you drained of dignity, self-worth and the will to live. It starts with humiliation, crescendos with vicious emotional lashing and culminates with complete surrender.

I sat quietly in a corner – a skinny eight-year-old kid. I was scared to death, so I sat in a chair and stared into my book of fairy tales as my parents stood in front of the customs officials and watched them rummage, tear and confiscate our meager belongings.

My parents looked tired and defeated. They were pale. They obviously hadn’t slept. They stood in front of the customs officials with their hands hanging limply at their sides, stooped and beaten.

We didn’t take much with us. Three suitcases and a small radio. I was in charge of carrying that. I didn’t want to give it up. It was my responsibility. And as one official watched me clutch at the radio’s plastic handle with my sweaty hands, he decided against taking it away from me. He told me to go sit in a corner instead.

So I sat. My mom came over later and gave me my book of fairy tales to read. I couldn’t concentrate, so I furtively watched my parents face the border officials.

When they were finally finished checking our baggage – when they felt they had stolen enough - they sloppily closed the suitcases, and escorted my father to another room.

And as I watched him go, I was racked by this overwhelming feeling of utter terror and helplessness. I wanted to go to him. At that moment I wanted my daddy more than anything in the world. So before my mother could stop me, I dropped my book and left my radio on my chair. I jumped up and began running toward my father, who’d disappeared into a dark hallway. At that point the only thing standing between me and my dad was a guard – a guard in an olive drab or grey uniform (I can’t even remember its exact color) and a rifle.

In the darkened hallway I saw my father turn and look at me as the guard pointed the rifle in my face. I saw another guard lead my father away. And I heard my mother scream, “Let this child go to her father! Now!”

Even in this darkest, most humiliating of places, she gathered her last vestiges of strength and dignity and faced that guard in my defense!

I reached out a hand past the guard and screamed, “Daddy!” But he was gone, and I felt myself being pulled back into my mother’s arms. I screamed louder, “Daddy!” and tried to run past the guard. And once again that rifle was in my face and my mother was crying and screaming.

My mother and I were eventually allowed to join my father. We sat in the train station, waiting for the next available train to take us away from that hellhole. My parents carefully folded what clothing we had left into the suitcase. I could see torn sheets, a few books and some old shoes also being lovingly packed away.

We traveled for another two months before we reached our final destination – America.

But I’ll never forget that day. I’ll never forget how helpless I felt – how demeaned and beaten my parents looked. And I’ll never forget that rifle in my face. At that point, someone had complete power over me and over those I loved. At that moment, we were helpless, disarmed and undefended.

Today, as I write this, I realize how crucial the ability to defend oneself truly is. It’s not about having to justify myself to anyone in power anytime I want to purchase a certain weapon. It’s not about being registered like a common criminal simply because I want to own a gun. It’s not even about being called a “gun nut” or an “NRA freak.”

It’s about the slow, systematic destruction of dignity and strength. It’s about the methodical erosion of our personal defenses. And all of the above are definitive symptoms of that erosion.

For once you’ve taken away a person’s self-respect – once you’ve taken away a person’s dignity – it becomes all the easier to take away his or her means of self-defense. And once that's gone – that’s the precise moment you know you’ve been completely defeated.

By Nicki Fellenzer
 
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