would winny combat against the low endurance from tren

[PitPif]

im on tren e at 250 a week on week 3 and i can barely stay on the treadmill for 30 minutes. im staying around 3.8-4 mph, fast walk/slow jog. and since winny suppose to give you endurance, would it combat against the tren breathing problem?

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

im on tren e at 250 a week on week 3 and i can barely stay on the treadmill for 30 minutes. im staying around 3.8-4 mph, fast walk/slow jog. and since winny suppose to give you endurance, would it combat against the tren breathing problem?

No. At least not for me.

 

[eddymerckx]

no. the breathing issue with tren is a side (swelling bronchial tissues). I am not even sure the a beta antagonist would work (it did not for me and it included a cortical steroid).

in short, even epo does not give you increased cardiovascular output, just the ability to develop it.

 

[OneBreath]

Maybe i'm lucky but i actually feel that tren has given more more endurance. I'm running Tren A 50mg EOD along with Test E 500mg/w and Mast 50mg EOD.

I noticed it when i started the tren. I got the night sweats and urine color/smell just as i was told, but my workouts just got brutal. Heavier, more reps, less rest/faster recovery between sets. I haven't tried any long steady state cardio but my high intensity interval cardio has been through the roof.

Could be a total coincidence though.

 

[Big A]

ya i got more cardiovascular fit when on tren

 

[needtogetaas]

I find that eq helps me with this. winny just makes it worse as it makes the joints her to.

 

[sensational]

I'm trying to think of the physiological reason tren would cause respiratory insufficiency. We know that all steroids increase hematocrit to a certain degree, some more than others like EQ.

My guess is that with the increase in hematocrit the viscosity of your blood increases, thus increasing peripheral resistance. Since Blood pressure is the product of peripheral resistance, heart rate, and stroke volume, you would increase peripheral resistance at least. With an increase in total RBC production, you would increase your total blood volume which would increase stroke volume by frank-starlings law (increased end-diastolic volume leads to an increase in stroke volume).

This problem would be made worse if a person were to use ephedrine as it is an adrenergic agonist and would cause parasympathetic withdrawal which would increase the rate at which the Sinoatrial node spontaneously depolarized, which would increase heart rate.

We all know there is a cap on how high the heart rate can go, and if you start at a higher heart rate, the set point that is adjusted by your cardiovascular control center will be higher than it would in a person that isn't using ephedra or steroids.

Thus, cardiovascular inefficiency. It is especially a problem if a subject isn't well trained to begin with, so they have a naturally higher heart rate than a well trained subject.

Now I think I didn't talk myself in circles, I will look at my logic once my damn finals are over tomorrow.

 

[sensational]

no. the breathing issue with tren is a side (swelling bronchial tissues). I am not even sure the a beta antagonist would work (it did not for me and it included a cortical steroid).

in short, even epo does not give you increased cardiovascular output, just the ability to develop it.

So, eddy, tren causes edema of the bronchial tissues which would be akin to someone with COPD?

This is an issue, as we all know that pO2 would drop due to the poor solubility of oxygen in an aqueous environment, and pCO2 would remain the same because of the relatively good solubility of CO2. So, there would be less O2 to perfuse the tissue, thus a respiratory pathology.

I would be interested to here why tren causes swelling of the bronchials.

 

[the elite addict]

if cardio is important to you, drop the tren. Dont add one steroid to combat the sides of another.

 

[eddymerckx]

So, eddy, tren causes edema of the bronchial tissues which would be akin to someone with COPD?

This is an issue, as we all know that pO2 would drop due to the poor solubility of oxygen in an aqueous environment, and pCO2 would remain the same because of the relatively good solubility of CO2. So, there would be less O2 to perfuse the tissue, thus a respiratory pathology.

I would be interested to here why tren causes swelling of the bronchials.

increased prostaglandin formation (hence why tren is thought to increase fat burning)

 

[Nomak666]

if cardio is important to you, drop the tren. Dont add one steroid to combat the sides of another.

yeah, i think im going to drop the tren e. im on week 3 of my clean bulk, so i might add in some winny, var or eq. but eq makes me crave food like crazy. ive been hearing great things about var compared to winny(joint pains). i took 75mg ed of winny tabs and my joints felt like they were going to break if i hit something.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

eq helped me with that issue of tren