i just got some new balance 805's which seem to be way stable in the bottom, they are designed to be firm and prevent pronation. i blow out nikes like it is cool. usually after a month of leg work and they feel spongy at the bottom. no support in the foot anymore. these new balances feel pretty firm, hopefully they will stay that way. a friend of mine got some addidas OL shoes,at tom platz's recommendation, and she seems to like them. the heel might be nice if going ATF as spatts said.