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Women and arimidex

rodd45

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hello ladies,
I have come to you for advice. My fiance and the love of my life, has asked me for some of my arimidex after seeing how good it works for me. I am nervous about giving her this drug as I know what it is and do not want anything to happen to her. Anyway, have you guys used it, and if so what should she expect ?
Thanks
 
MS said:
Arimidex is not effective in anyone with functional ovaries.

uhhmmm.. completely disagree..

it should be quite effective in reducing estrogen that is produced by aromatization of test and androstendione.. which while lower than in males.. still can be a "make or break" amount.. it will also increase free test by decreasing aromatization.. this effect in women may be GREATER than in men
 
So what are the typical side efffects - short and long term - of suppressing estrogen in a pre-menopausal (functional ovaries) woman? I would have to assume it is very uncomfortable for your average female - and not something you could do for long (safely).

Again, this is what I am assuming - I am trying to learn the whys/whynots and pros/cons of females using arimidex and similar drugs.
 
MS said:
Arimidex is not effective in anyone with functional ovaries.

Estrogen is produced directly by the ovavries for the most part and without the use of an aromatization enyme.....it will not help much in females.
Similarily it will not help with men that are on H c g since the estrogen is make directly by the testes in these cases as well.

Nolvadex will block estrogens affect in many areas of the body.

RG:)
 
Realgains said:


Estrogen is produced directly by the ovavries for the most part and without the use of an aromatization enyme.....it will not help much in females.
this is incorrect.. while a majority of estrogen is produced by the ovaries a considerable portion is produced through aromatization.. one of the reasons that obesity is a particularly viscious cycle

Similarily it will not help with men that are on H c g since the estrogen is make directly by the testes in these cases as well.
this is also, actually MORE, incorrect... first the testes dont produce estrogen when exposed to hcg... the problem with hcg is the great spike of test that it creates....which leads to high aromatization ....and due to the trough of test that follows... a nasty imbalance... arimidex is very effective in this case

 
I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that the question was aked with regard to fatloss rather than mass gain. In either case womens hormones, just like mens, are subject to pretty sensitive feedback machanisms to ensure that hormonal balance is maintained. Many obese women have high circulating estrogen levels due to aromitization of test and androstendione. They often also have higher test levels. This is undeniable. However high levels of peripherally produced estrogen merely act to supress ovarian production so that overall estrogen balance is more or less maintained. This is one of the reason that obesity causes infertility in women. Giving a drug like Arimidex will reduce peripheral aromitization but lead to increased ovarian estrogen production to maintain balance. Increases in test levels will be transient as most of this test is produced by the ovaries and is also subject to feedback inhibition, especially when ovarian estrogen levels return to normal. If you really, really want to kill estrogen production in an otherwise healthy adult female you will need to give her a luteinising hormone-releasing hormone (LH-RH) analogue such as Triptorelin. But before you consider any of these drugs you should read some of the literature (and I don't mean the stuff you find in BB chat rooms) and decide for yourself if it even makes sense at any level to inhibit peripheral aromatase activity in a female:

Obes Res 2002 Feb;10(2):115-21

The lean woman.

OBJECTIVE: In the current obesity epidemic, the ability to remain lean is beginning to be uncommon. Therefore, it was considered of interest to characterize such subjects.
RESEARCH METHODS AND PROCEDURES: From a population of premenopausal women (n = 270), all 40 years of age, those with a similar body mass index (BMI) as women at the age of 21 years, born the same year were selected among nonsmokers and compared with the remaining (non-lean) nonsmoking women.
RESULTS: Lean women showed, as expected, low waist-to-hip circumference ratio and abdominal sagittal diameter as well as absence of other disease risk factors. COMPARED WITH THE REMAINING (NON-LEAN) WOMEN, 17 BETA-ESTRADIOL WAS HIGH AND ANDROGENS WERE LOW, whereas insulin-like growth factor I and thyroid hormones showed no differences. Dihydroepiandrosterone sulfate was lower, whereas cortisol, measured in saliva repeatedly over a day, and adrenocorticotropin hormone were not different. Results from questionnaires indicated higher education and socioeconomic status, frequent sports activities, and better psychosocial adaptation and psychological health. A tetranucleotide repeat polymorphism in the fourth [corrected] intron of the aromatase P450 gene was longer among the lean (187 base pairs) than the rest of the women. Women with opposite phylogenetic characteristic have a short microsatellite (168 base pairs) in this gene locus.
DISCUSSION: Lean, nonsmoking women enjoy an excellent health in not only anthropometric and metabolic factors, but also in neuroendocrine, endocrine, and psychological variables. THE ENDOCRINE MEASUREMENTS (OF LEAN WOMEN) SUGGEST A WELL-FUNCTIONING AROMATASE ENZYME, which in turn might have a genetic background, contributing to health. THE AROMATASE GENE MIGHT BE IMPORTANT FOR REGULATION OF A LEAN PHENOTYPE.


Ann N Y Acad Sci 2001 Dec;949:58-67

Tissue-specific estrogen biosynthesis and metabolism.

While the OVARIES ARE THE PRINCIPAL SOURCE OF SYSTEMIC ESTROGEN in the premenopausal nonpregnant woman, other sites of estrogen biosynthesis are present throughout the body and these become the major sources of estrogen beyond menopause. These EXTRAGONADAL SOURCES OF ESTROGEN ARE SMALL, but may play an important, though hitherto largely unrecognized, physiological and pathophysiological role.in POSTmenopausal women Aromatase activity in extragonadal sites contributes to this source of estrogen and may contribute to tumor development and/or growth………... …………………..
 
macrophage69alpha said:

Macro bro you better go talk to an endochrinologist....estrogen IS produced by the testes while on H C G bro....and at quite a rate to boot.
RG:)
 
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Realgains said:


Macro bro you better go talk to an endochrinologist....estrogen IS produced by the testes while on H C G bro....and at quite a rate to boot.
RG:)

are you sure you want to proceed with this line of rhetoric?

becuase you are incorrect..

the testes do not produce estrogen.. estrogen in males is produced solely through aromatization.. if you would like to discuss this with an endocrinologist.. i can reccomend one.. however this is an issue of basic physiology.

the reason that hcg is associated with gynocomastia (for good reason) is for the reasons outlined above.

note- there may be some enzymatic caveats to the solely.. maybe..

btw- this is a common myth.. for the reasons I have outline above..
 
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