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Wife's sides on TEST finally kicked in

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Hmm a bit of facial hair, but it is being handled . She has come off it and has really made great gains and lost much BF. Substantial clitoral enlargment and sensativity, but she loved it and so did I. She would like to try something else. I have heard of use by women of anavar and winny?

After some time off what would be a good choice, mostly for cutting and hardening, she has plenty of muscle. She is now on Clen. What are some of the choices for a women compared to sides? We would like to keep her sex drive amped too.

Also, she was on HUGE doses of test up to a sus250 a week and then some. She even tried fina for a few weeks with it. Which really hardened her up. The fina rocks in a female in low doses. And the short half life, I think ,makes it a great choice. it was the sus250 that was hard to control because of the longer half life.

I realized we went straight to the hardest Core Shit but it was available and she wanted results.

What is a reasonable dose of test for a women? Sh ereally likes being on it feels better in general. She tested very low in the past anyway. She will most likely be given some by the doc on her request next week anyway.


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I'm not an expert and just learning like everyone else..but I don't quite understand why she chose test. Did she know there were better choices out there? How much research did you guys do before she decided to use AS? I've done Denkall anavar at 15 mg (that's quite high of a dosage.) with wonderful results and no side effects. From what I understand with lots of women, test will virilize a woman like nothing else....deep voice, facial hair, etc. But I have heard of woman tolerating it well.

I think there is a thread about fina and women..you might want to look it up. :)
 
Test, in low doses, can be very beneficial with few if any side effects. If you don't have $250 dollars to blow on potentially fake anavar, then a low dose of test is a great option. There are alot of very beautiful and very feminine women in here who swear by it.

On the other hand, I'm with sassy...what are her goals? It's frustrating to me to hear someone taking a s**t load of androgenic AS and just wants to cut. Have some chicken.
 
I knew some people were gonna flame my ass for those choices but it was her interest and her desire. And she tolerated it very well. Women are given test all the time in much lower doses now to increase libido and for a general sense of well being by doctors. She works in the field. She was having no problems for up to 6 weeks. I have many years of experience with my own use of AS. Just not in advising a female. She still had very little sides. Even the facial hair issue was very light.

I truly think people should get over their fear of Tren. It was the same with test years ago. A woman would NEVER admit to it. Treb is highly lypolitic and one leans up very well on it. In addition to the short half life... Why not?

She would not be the only one to be guilty of trying to make things...well let's just say to take a bit of the easier road... This board is evidence of that. Not being condescending in any way. I know what effort it takes with or without gear. I still see professional female bodybuilders getting nice paychecks and not being criticized. Some of them are dong cycles that would make us freak out.

Once we realized the wonders it was having on her libido I would say we were both hooked:-) FOR THE RECORD THANK YOU VERY MUCH SPATTS that was a nice reply. I get so sick of the large percentage of people's first responses on here being critical ass BS. They should take their frustrations out somewhere else. I have been on this board for YEARS under one nic or another and the number of , well let's just say....well nevermind. Let's just say I have seen it be more informative and with less BS.
 
GOALS ... were to increase lean muscle mass for the look of it and thereby increasing metabolic rate, while burning fat with increased cardio, while hanging on to the muscle she gained.

Also, ncreased sense of well being, drive, and libido. ALL of which will be obtained by test. let us not forget she tested very low in both DHEA and TEST in the past. Now she is cutting up with Clen and cardio and a leaner diet. Seems pretty sound to me. If you are a female and are worried about test then you will never know what it can do for you.

Even the mainstream medical community has begun to embrace it for women to some extent. Considering that a man cannot even get it easily prescribed if he falls even within the lowest of the accepted "normal range" I believe that is saying lighten up. It may do you some good. But not at 250 mg a week
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I have read the threads on tren in women and found some info that supports my idea of it being not a ridiculous idea. Talk to some ladies who have used low doses and ask them if they liked it or not? And whether they had sides over a short period of time, then compare it to the gains, and moreso, the fat loss they experienced.

Just food for thpught. Think for yourself. I would say that most use of anything we talk about on here is highly individualized and experimental. One must find the right stuff for them at the right dose.

And be wary of merely regurgitating that which you have heard without having the experience. Not flaming or directing that towards anyone. I have the highest respect and appreciation for all input on here, especially when I asked for it.
 
I just wanted to add that I wasn't meaning to flame you..I was simply asking questions as to why she chose test etc. Sorry if you took it as such. :(

Alicia
 
No, I was just being a moron:-) She chose test becasue we had it readily available and her sister who is competitive, and a fitness instructor used it and recomended it. I think the bigger issue for a lady would be to steer away from Sustenon250 because of its long half life. We tapered her off by dividing the one sus250 into thirds and givong her a third every week. I like sus because it just seems to work great for one, and I get nice steady levels as opposed to say t200 which makes me up and down emotionally for some reason.
 
The question with sust is not only the long half-life in general, but the mixture of esters, each with different half-lives. I questioned this in your original thread but nobody wanted to talk about it then.

Glad things turned out OK though.

As far as fina, I too think it may be OK. In fact, it's very low oral availablity may make it a perfect oral choice for women. No DMSO, injections, sublingual, etc. Just crush a tab, put it in a gel cap and swallow it. At a (theoretical) 10 percent yield, this would give a 2 mg. dosage.
 
Just keep in mind that tren is three times as androgenic as testosterone and testosterone is VERY androgenic........so start very low in dose.

I personally know of a women that got very bad sides form low dose tren.....I will ask her what her dose was but I am sure almost certain it was no more than 5mg per day.

I think a women can do a hell of a lot with the mild androgens. Why take the risk if you don't make your living as a bodybuilder or at least plan on turning pro....it makes little sence to me and my wife. Anavar at 15 mg per day will do almost the same for you as 5mg of tren per day with less androgen and risk of androgenic sides.

My wife did 60 of test per week and got more upper lip facial hair and her voice was hoarse for a while(went away after a few months off) . The gains were better for her on winny and also on anavar and the sides were less.

In fact "Fitnesschick" over anabolicfitness is a national level bodybuilder and she NEVER uses test, tren , d-bol and the like. her favorite roid is anavar....and she can squat over 400 pounds and looks fantastic at around 140 pounds of body weight.

My .02

RG
 
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How do you know that a woman can gain more off Anavar that Tren? I know MANY women that use Tren at LOW dosages with great success. I also know many that can't use Primo or Nandrolone because of sides. Each anabolic affect us differently. You cannot make blanket statements like that. 12.5mg of Prop was way too much for me but there are women here that use 50-200mg w/o any problems.
 
BTW.... FC uses other anabolics as well. I am sure you have seen her cycle there. So saying she uses Anavar only is not true. She likes Var yes but it's not the only thing in her stack.
 
NubianBeauty said:
BTW.... FC uses other anabolics as well. I am sure you have seen her cycle there. So saying she uses Anavar only is not true. She likes Var yes but it's not the only thing in her stack.
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I never said she uses anavar only.

She likes to use deca, winny, anavar, gh and slin....hates EQ and will not use test, tren or d-bol.

RG:)
 
NubianBeauty said:
How do you know that a woman can gain more off Anavar that Tren? I know MANY women that use Tren at LOW dosages with great success. I also know many that can't use Primo or Nandrolone because of sides. Each anabolic affect us differently. You cannot make blanket statements like that. 12.5mg of Prop was way too much for me but there are women here that use 50-200mg w/o any problems.
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They get sides off of primo and nandrolone because of the dose and not because they react differently to the stuff. They used too much of the stuff. 50 of test is WAY more androgenic than 50 of primo . there is not a women on the planet that can handle 50 of test better than 50 of primo...NO WAY! The more androgenic the roid the greater the risks for androgenic sides at any given dose. Some women can tolerate a higher androgen load before sides come on but that is it. There is NO WAY that a women can handle a powerful androgen better than any of the weak androgens.
Dose used is extremenly important as all roids are androgens.

Tren is the most powerful androgen safe for DHT and a better muscle builder than any of the milder androgens at the same dose.....but IMHO I think 15 of var will give better muscle gains than 5 of tren.

NB .....any women that takes 200 of test per week for longer than 4 weeks is going to have BAD androgenic sides and I don't care who the hell they are. That dose gives over twice the androgen load that a young man produces.

I am just trying to warn people....these powerful androgens like tren and test are indeed risky....if you don't believe that then there is nothing more I can say.

RG
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RG...why would a woman NEED to take that much test? 200mg a week? If I was in a position where I thought a dose like that was necessary, I'd be doing some serious research about my diet and training. That dose may not be uncommon, but that doesn't mean it's necessary. Dosing is the difference, but I think another problem is dependency (which is very different from addiction but still very much a problem).

Just my .69 (inflation :) )
 
I never said that they weren't androgenic. All AAS is to some degree, however you will advocate Winstrol when I think it's just as androgenic as Test. 50mg/wk of Primo and Nandrolone is not a high dose IMO. They just can't tolerate it. A few of them use 50mg of Winny ED so it's just different for ALL of us (women)
 
spatts said:
RG...why would a woman NEED to take that much test? 200mg a week? If I was in a position where I thought a dose like that was necessary, I'd be doing some serious research about my diet and training. That dose may not be uncommon, but that doesn't mean it's necessary. Dosing is the difference, but I think another problem is dependency (which is very different from addiction but still very much a problem).

Just my .69 (inflation :) )
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YES....why the hell would any women want to subject herself to 200 of test for weeks on end unless the Olmpia is on the line perhaps. That said there are women that use that much test along with other gear but they sound pretty funny.

I was just commenting on NB's comment about how some can use up to 200 of test with no problems.

RG



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spatts said:
RG...why would a woman NEED to take that much test? 200mg a week? If I was in a position where I thought a dose like that was necessary, I'd be doing some serious research about my diet and training. That dose may not be uncommon, but that doesn't mean it's necessary. Dosing is the difference, but I think another problem is dependency (which is very different from addiction but still very much a problem).

Just my .69 (inflation :) )
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YES....why the hell would any women want to subject herself to 200 of test for weeks on end unless the Olympia is on the line perhaps. That said there are women that use that much test along with other gear but they sound pretty funny.

I was just commenting on NB's comment about how some can use up to 200 of test with no problems.

RG



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NB.....I bet those low doses you are talking about are transdermal.
Transdermal is less bioavailable than IM.
5 of tren transdermal is likely safe but 5 IM is more risky yet still may be okay since the weekly dose is 35mg. I would never recommend more that though.

NB I have been training men and women competitors for years and I have always helped them with the gear so I do know a think or two. I also personally know several top competitors and I train one right now.

RG:)
 
NubianBeauty said:
BTW... the few women I chat with that use 200mg/wk of Test are National level BB competitors. Not pros yet.
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Sure there are...and I know one but she sounds like a man and has laser hair removal treatments all the time.

Don't let these people fool you NB...if they are REALLY doing 200 of test ALL of them are going to get significant sides if on for a typical cycle length and especially if they take any other gearand few take test alone.

RG
 
Realgains said:
NB.....I bet those low doses you are talking about are transdermal.
Transdermal is less bioavailable than IM.
5 of tren transdermal is likely safe but 5 IM is more risky yet still may be okay since the weekly dose is 35mg. I would never recommend more that though.

NB I have been training men and women competitors for years and I have always helped them with the gear so I do know a think or two. I also personally know several top competitors and I train one right now.

RG:)
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Not transdermal... I myself have taken 5mg IM EOD (15mg/wk) w/o any sides :D I never said you didn't know a thing or two but you can't lump all of us together and say use this and you won't get sides.... or use that and you will... that's my only point.
 
NubianBeauty said:
Not transdermal... I myself have taken 5mg IM EOD (15mg/wk) w/o any sides :D I never said you didn't know a thing or two but you can't lump all of us together and say use this and you won't get sides.... or use that and you will... that's my only point.
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NB all I said was to be careful with the tren and start low. So many get themselves into trouble because they take too much steroid be it primo, anavar, deca, winstrol or tren. We have to really impress upon women that the powerful androgens like tren, test and d-bol need to be done in low dose OR you are definately going to get sides. If you don't mind the sides then thats okay but one better know that a voice drop and facial hair do not go away after stopping steroids.

15 of tren per week will likely be fine for most and will harden you up nicely, give some strength and it may stimulate some fat loss, although all steroids do that...but I can't see that dose of tren giving better gains in muscle mass than 10-15 of var per day but perhaps it will.

I did say that 200 of test will give every women bad sides if taken over a typical cycle length and I stand by that comment.
 
WOW!!! Didn't mean to start a FIGHT!!!:-) . She had no problems other than MOOD on the tren. Anyway she is off completly. You all play nice OK.
 
I read

Tren. Although I know it is very androgenic, is three times more ANABOLIC than Test.
 
ArizonaFeeds said:
WOW!!! Didn't mean to start a FIGHT!!!:-) . She had no problems other than MOOD on the tren. Anyway she is off completly. You all play nice OK.
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I am not fighting NB....I have always respected her opinion, experience and spirit.

RG

:)
 
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ArizonaFeeds said:
Tren. Although I know it is very androgenic, is three times more ANABOLIC than Test.
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You are mistaken ....it is three times as ANDROGENIC as test not three times as anabolic. I am pretty sure we do not know how ananbolic it is compaired to test as there is no way to measure that except through experience.

I have done tren a lot and in doses up to 100mg per day. I have also done test a lot and in doses of a gram per week.
IMHO tren is the best NON AROMATIZING steroid for anabolism. Testosterone and the powerful aromatizing steroid d-bol seem to be better than tren in the anabolism department. There is evidence to suggest that the estrogen from aromatization helps with anabolism.

True.....people gain much more WEIGHT while on test due to water retention, but I still think it is a little more anabolic than tren if used alone.

Now a tren/test stack is very synergistic and produces excellent gains in mass and strength BUT I certainly do not recommend this stack for a women as it would be extremely androgenic even at a pretty low dose.

SOME steroid vets like ULTER think that tren is slightly more anabolic than test and they may be right BUT certainly not three times a anabolic.

RG
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As far as men go

I worked my way up to 200 mg of tren ed. I LOVE the stuff. I MUST stack it with test however, because it shuts me down pretty hard and quick. No PUN intended.:p I just dont seem to gain much weigth on tren. I get strong as hell but my metabolism or whateever it is that causes it, keeps me from gaining. What I DO gain is nice lean muscle however. The tren made the fat just start melting away. I love the pumps too, they can get painful though. And I KNOW i will get flamed for my 200 mg ED but it's ok:) I dont even feel any difference with test until I get above 500 and even more like 700 mg a week.

My wife and I were liking the higher doses of test for her because it is just the two of us and it was like a non-stop two person orgy here night and day. I was hesitant to give that up. I know, selfish, but I asked her and niether was she. We tried 50, 75, 100 mg, it did not have the same effect on her.:p I explained the risks and she understood and seemed to be tolerating it so well. At the first sign of sides we cut her off.:( . Just for the record I would never jeopardize my wifes health or beauty but she WAS tolerating it for a bit. but if tren is three times as androgenic it did not give her the same libido as the test did.

Who knows? she is off now. She really made great gains in both muscle and BF loss and it was fun while it lasted:) It is still fun too, she is a wonderful lady. SHe needed to see the results quickly to feel the motivation so it inspired her to new and better habits as well.
 
Realgains said:
Although tren is a powerful androgen nothing even comes close to testosterone in regard to libido.

RG:)
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Why is that? On the surface level, you'd think that the more androgenic something is, the more it would bump up libido. Obviously, that's not true. What combination of factors makes a specific AS boost libido?
 
THeMaCHinE said:


Why is that? On the surface level, you'd think that the more androgenic something is, the more it would bump up libido. Obviously, that's not true. What combination of factors makes a specific AS boost libido?
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I don't really know why this is true.
Others examples are d-bol and anadrol....both are very strong androgens but don't bump the libido like test does.

It could be that it is the DHT conversion from test that affects libido more than the actual test itself and DHT is the strongest androgen.

RG
 
hat us my opinion

That it is the DHT.

should be interesting to say the least. I will post them. She told the doc she was on 25mg of test twice a week and it floored the doc. We know her doc personally so it is all off the record.

Obviously the 50mg a week was an understatement to say the least. We want to find the lowest dose that keeps her feeling good and the libido jacked up.

I appreciate all your input as well:)
 
ArizonaFeeds said:
WOW!!! Didn't mean to start a FIGHT!!!:-) . She had no problems other than MOOD on the tren. Anyway she is off completly. You all play nice OK.
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He's not fighting...he just likes to make his point...again and again and again...J/K RG! Just giving you a hard time. :D

Anyhow, interesting thread...I don't know shit about any of this stuff (well, only from what I've read here on the boards). My only remaining innocence!:angel:
 
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