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WHO here feels that 200 mg Protein/day is sufficient?

Whacked

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I have all sorts of horrid constipation issues with higher protein levels. Thinking about adjusting them for good!

I have been abusing laxatives JUST TO take shits once/day to every other day! Fucking abnormal!

I've tried digestive enzymes, laxatives, all sorts of fiber, i drink tons of water.high protein just wrecks me bowel-wise. :(

So....Anyone gain nicely on ust 200 grams Protein grams/protein per day?
 
.it all depends on your weight tbh....and how much you wanna put on aswell.For me personally that amount is prolly just about right for maintainance
 
I think all in bb know that for getting good muscle one gotta eat as much as protein as his own weight.ie if u weigh 200 lbs take 200 gms protein or even more.
Also take good multi-vitamins and some liver tabs for good digestion .
 
I eat a lot of frozen veggies (cooked and thawed of course) with my protein meals and everything stays regular. Perhaps try eating raw fruits/veggies if you haven't yet.
 
:(

I am 5'9 225

14% bdy fat

I TYPICALLY eat 300 grams/day.

2 shakes, the rest grilled chicken and red meat.
 
Green Vegtables work wonders.

Also you can try getting an MPR with fiber in it, such as vxp super food(it tastes like shit) or Myoplex deluxe
 
Find a vegatable you like (in my case broccoli). Find a dressing or dip you like (in my case, chunky blue cheese). Go with a massive bowl of that vegatable along with a dip you really like. Down at least one per day -- two or three if you can.

Regulation problems solved!
 
Depends on your weight to begin with. I'm a small guy (for now), 180lbs at 5'8, and I don't get in less that 250 grams a day, that's a minimum. Usually 300-350 is more like it. 50 grams every 3 hours, except for PW when I get in 50 grams immediately after my workout and 50 grams 1 1/2 hours later. I also pound down a protein shake in the middle of the night when I get up to piss.
 
post up your exact diet

mr plunky had a great idea as well
 
Whacked said:
I have all sorts of horrid constipation issues with higher protein levels. Thinking about adjusting them for good!

I have been abusing laxatives JUST TO take shits once/day to every other day! Fucking abnormal!

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See, I don't get this. I mean, I know the premise, and I know you're telling the truth, and I know that this is a commonly talked about problem, BUT, I think I could shit and shit and shit no matter what protein I take. (So actually, I get it, I just have trouble visualizing the premise sometimes).

HOWEVER: I will tell you secrets for making monster shit (okay, not huge secrets, but anyway): Throw oatmeal right in the blender with your shake. Throw milled flax seed in with your shake or whole flax seed taking care to puree it. (Flax seed is available dirt cheap at most health food stores. I got big ass bag awhile back for a few bucks. I got 16 ounces of more expensive, brand name milled flax seed for 8 bucks. Flax seed has a tremendous propensity for absorbing liquid plus contains plenty of insoluble fiber as well.)

Other ways to crap more that are probably a lot less harmful than laxatives: lots of creatine and/or megadoses of vitamin C (upwards of 5 grams a day).

If any of those ways don't work and you're getting plenty of water, I'd say you might seriously have a problem even if you're taking in a lot of protein powder.
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Constipated on a high protein diet? even without consuming a lot of fiber as I do now, my ass was like a flame-thrower.
 
It all depend on your age.Somedays I don't even have 200 grams of protien and my body is just fine.Although when I am cycling I probably have 200. I'm 54 and when my body say that it ,that's it.
 
I think it really depends on how much mass you carry, the more you have, the more protein you will need to grow and maintain. At the point I am at, I have trouble maintaining at anything less than 1.5 grams per lb of bodyweight, and to grow I need 2 grams
 
Well first not all protein is the same, its amazing how many people eat one real meal a day and the rest is all shakes, you will never gain real mass doing that.

Start eating real chicken, steak, eggs, fish etc.

Took me a while to learn
 
I maintain on about 200g/day, to grow I kick it up to about 250. When dieting, I up it to 300. I can manage to maintain on that lower amount b/c I'm only around 180lbs at 5'5"... well above my genetic max but not that heavy overall. When I'm over 200lbs though, or on juice, it simply requires more protein. Usually I have to go every day, if not twice a day when bulking. I agree with the others about the veggies, I have to stay away from those sometimes b/c otherwise I'd be hitting the john 4x a day and i don't have time for that shit :)
 
I am not sure about 200 g , but I have yet to use more than 250 g , and I have always growed pretty well ...but my metabolism is damn slow , that is why I don't need too much food to grow , everything I eat my body absorbs due to my slow metabolism ....some people have crazy fast metabolism and they have to EAT a LOT like 400 g protein per day to grow because their body burns whatever they eat ...


Victor
 
NYBodyguard said:
Well first not all protein is the same, its amazing how many people eat one real meal a day and the rest is all shakes, you will never gain real mass doing that.

Start eating real chicken, steak, eggs, fish etc.

Took me a while to learn
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>> I agree and disagree , My diet has always been 6 meals , 3 shakes , 3 real foods ... I have always got most of protein intake from shakes .. and It does work for me ...

However I will try your aproach soon as I have read that real food is really the way to go ...I will limit my shakes to 2 times a day on my next cycle ...

Victor
 
I used to but now that i'm older I need every potential advantage I can get. I try to get close to 300 daily now but then I weigh 250'ish.
 
NYBodyguard said:
Well first not all protein is the same, its amazing how many people eat one real meal a day and the rest is all shakes, you will never gain real mass doing that.

Start eating real chicken, steak, eggs, fish etc.

Took me a while to learn
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I agree, eating real food is really important.

I mix up 4 serving s of whey (yeilding about 60g protein) and one Met-Rx (37g protein). I take this with me and sip it all day long. I also take 60-80g postworkout, and a 40g shake of mainly soy (for slow digestion) right before bed.

That's 60 + 37 + 40 + 70(av) = 200 ish - other 120 is from real food.

I eat a big 250gram bag of pretzels each day at my desk for a steady stream carbs (thats 190g of carbs) I take a fibre supp each night and get in at least 5 serving of fruit and veg a day.
 
Whacked said:
I have all sorts of horrid constipation issues with higher protein levels. Thinking about adjusting them for good!

I have been abusing laxatives JUST TO take shits once/day to every other day! Fucking abnormal!

I've tried digestive enzymes, laxatives, all sorts of fiber, i drink tons of water.high protein just wrecks me bowel-wise. :(

So....Anyone gain nicely on ust 200 grams Protein grams/protein per day?
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How much do you weight? I take 1g=1 lbs to maintain weight/size and 1.5=1lb when trying to gain. Also, b/c w/the lax's. That clinically can be diagnosed as an eating disorder.
 
TheRide said:
How much do you weight? I take 1g=1 lbs to maintain weight/size and 1.5=1lb when trying to gain. Also, b/c w/the lax's. That clinically can be diagnosed as an eating disorder.
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I'm solid 212 and I'm eating 200g a day. I'm gaining nicely.
 
Whacked said:
:(

I am 5'9 225

14% bdy fat

I TYPICALLY eat 300 grams/day.

2 shakes, the rest grilled chicken and red meat.
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I think you'd be fine @ 200g/day to maintain. If you can bump it up a bit when you're "on" it would be great, but I don't see a prob w/running 200 most of the time.
 
200g, IMO, is not sufficient. Also, you didnt specify if this was 200g of COMPLETE protein, or just protein.
 
I'm 240 right now and don't take in more then 200 grams per day. IMO it's pointless, in the end it all comes down to calories, once the minnimum macro nutrient profile has been met ofcourse. I don't feel good forcing all the protein down. 200 grams is a good point for me. I consumed 200 grams even when i was 275lbs and never had any problems gaining muscle. The only thing i play with when i feel weaker or flatter is the carb intake and Fat intake, i increase or decrease one table spoon at a time. This is how it works for me, i jumped off the very high portein bandwagon a long time ago, continued to make great gains just like before and realised the brilliant marketing behind selling protein powders.
 
GREGORY said:
I'm 240 right now and don't take in more then 200 grams per day. IMO it's pointless, in the end it all comes down to calories, once the minnimum macro nutrient profile has been met ofcourse. I don't feel good forcing all the protein down. 200 grams is a good point for me. I consumed 200 grams even when i was 275lbs and never had any problems gaining muscle. The only thing i play with when i feel weaker or flatter is the carb intake and Fat intake, i increase or decrease one table spoon at a time. This is how it works for me, i jumped off the very high portein bandwagon a long time ago, continued to make great gains just like before and realised the brilliant marketing behind selling protein powders.
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thats what i am sayin well said
 
Look, get your Lean Body Mass counted. When I first started working out seriously, when I was doing a cardio fat loss program, I weighed 176, and I had about 141 lbs of LBM. I knew I had to eat atleast that in protein to keep it, so if your juicin or whatever, you should be eating twice that. Just because you weight 200 lbs, doesn't mean that you have 200lbs of lbm. get it checked for accuracy and then go from there. Just like above said, you want to eat 1 1/2 times your lbm to grow - up to 2. Also, your body needs the right died. I'll get stopped up also if I eat 2 much protein and not enough fiber. Eat a lot of salads, atleast 1-2 a day - moderate sized. Eat a lot of fibers/ whole grains etc, and that should start clearing up your problem. Taking laxatives won't correct the problem, but just compound the issues even more. Plus, taking laxatives, will throw your electrolites, and other essential body minerals, vites, etc out of wack- and dehydrate you seriously. Also, drink more water and take more Magneisium. Take about 800 mgs a day. What this will do is draw water into your stool which will soften it. When you have taken too much, you'll be runny, so stick between 400-1000 a day until it changes. anyhow, just my opinion..hope ya get better..

:)
 
Whacked said:
I have all sorts of horrid constipation issues with higher protein levels. Thinking about adjusting them for good!

I have been abusing laxatives JUST TO take shits once/day to every other day! Fucking abnormal!

I've tried digestive enzymes, laxatives, all sorts of fiber, i drink tons of water.high protein just wrecks me bowel-wise. :(

So....Anyone gain nicely on ust 200 grams Protein grams/protein per day?
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1-1.5g proteins per lb. of lean body mass (muscle)
 
Whacked said:
:(

I am 5'9 225

14% bdy fat

I TYPICALLY eat 300 grams/day.

2 shakes, the rest grilled chicken and red meat.
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See, now those are good eating habits. How many grams per shake? And which type of shakes do you use? Curious
 
GREGORY said:
I'm 240 right now and don't take in more then 200 grams per day. IMO it's pointless, in the end it all comes down to calories, once the minnimum macro nutrient profile has been met ofcourse. I don't feel good forcing all the protein down. 200 grams is a good point for me. I consumed 200 grams even when i was 275lbs and never had any problems gaining muscle. The only thing i play with when i feel weaker or flatter is the carb intake and Fat intake, i increase or decrease one table spoon at a time. This is how it works for me, i jumped off the very high portein bandwagon a long time ago, continued to make great gains just like before and realised the brilliant marketing behind selling protein powders.
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Great post! Everyone pay attention to what this man just said.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
See, now those are good eating habits. How many grams per shake? And which type of shakes do you use? Curious
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50-60 grams/per shake

Isopure ZERO carb (for 5 years)
 
Whacked said:
50-60 grams/per shake

Isopure ZERO carb (for 5 years)
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I'm feeling you on the ISOPURE, it's a great product. Are you taking 50-60g while you're on or off cycle? If you're off cycle I'd take it down a bit and just take more shakes throughout the day. It CAN get annoying but if you develop a system for splitting them up, you might benefit more from it in the long run. Try filling up little water bottles with 25-30 grams a piece and then refrigerating them while at work and take them in intervals. Just an idea
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
I'm feeling you on the ISOPURE, it's a great product. Are you taking 50-60g while you're on or off cycle? If you're off cycle I'd take it down a bit and just take more shakes throughout the day. It CAN get annoying but if you develop a system for splitting them up, you might benefit more from it in the long run. Try filling up little water bottles with 25-30 grams a piece and then refrigerating them while at work and take them in intervals. Just an idea
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Good advice. I always stick to the SAME amount of Protein year round-----ON/OO cycle.......unfortunately...I know this is not the way it's supposed to be.

Thanks bro
 
Anytime, whacked. Keep us posted. Oh, I don't know if that post on Ginger Root is still around but that is a great herb to be taking daily. Works great man.
 
Whacked said:
I have all sorts of horrid constipation issues with higher protein levels. Thinking about adjusting them for good!

I have been abusing laxatives JUST TO take shits once/day to every other day! Fucking abnormal!

I've tried digestive enzymes, laxatives, all sorts of fiber, i drink tons of water.high protein just wrecks me bowel-wise. :(

So....Anyone gain nicely on ust 200 grams Protein grams/protein per day?
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I'm a PL, so I don't care about LBM as much as most of you kids.

I take in between 250-350GM protein ed, that's a combination of meat, dairy, eggs, fish and whey.







DIV

:chomp:
 
200 g is enough for people who are 200 pounds and under, and are not taking AAS. If you are on AAS, I think you should be getting at least 2x body weight in protein because of all the extra protein synthesis going on.
 
CrazyK said:
200 g is enough for people who are 200 pounds and under, and are not taking AAS. If you are on AAS, I think you should be getting at least 2x body weight in protein because of all the extra protein synthesis going on.
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That's some CrazyKnowledge, NUGGA!!!!!

PROPS!!!!!





DIV

:chomp:
 
Whacked said:
I have all sorts of horrid constipation issues with higher protein levels. Thinking about adjusting them for good!

I have been abusing laxatives JUST TO take shits once/day to every other day! Fucking abnormal!

I've tried digestive enzymes, laxatives, all sorts of fiber, i drink tons of water.high protein just wrecks me bowel-wise. :(

So....Anyone gain nicely on ust 200 grams Protein grams/protein per day?
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It depends whether you're on or off cycle,as nitrogen retention is increased when using AAS.So I stick to 1.0grms/lb when off and approx 1.5 grams when doing a cycle.Of course incorporating the use of thyroid meds combined with HGH will allow for even greater consumption.
As far as regularity is concerned,I can only recomend psyllium husk and senna as well as raw oats in your protein shakes-this works excellent for me,and of course tons of vegetables,grains and water.
Stay away from too much dairy and consume mostly fish,eggs,whey powder and tons of high-protein beans and natty peanut butter>this is high in fibre.
Good luck..

B32
 
1 gram per pound of LEAN body mass will maintain your current condition. If you want to add size, bump intake up to 1.3 - 1.5 grams per pound of LEAN body mass.
 
quote: theride please explain blodtype

its written books on this subject. the blood type diet.this is not scientificly proven (aas ist either).
depending on your blod type you digest certain types of protein better than others and your body can use more of the aminoacids also.
the biological value of the protein depends on your blod type.
i dont usaly write english so .......good enouh explainatoin?
:)
 
CrazyK said:
200 g is enough for people who are 200 pounds and under, and are not taking AAS. If you are on AAS, I think you should be getting at least 2x body weight in protein because of all the extra protein synthesis going on.
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Well someone should have told me that when i weighed 275 with 13% BF. I got there with sparse protein consumptoin, about 200 grams per day and used no more then 500mg of Sust alone to get there over several cycles, and i started working out at 185 lbs. I learned quickly that there is a protein cut off point. At 150 grams per day the growth always started for me, so i fealt no need to increase, for what? You can only grow so fast. Over time i increased it to 200 grams and it worked just fine, but my growth exploded when i added more fat and carbs into the diet then protein. My lifts literally skyrocketed. For example my deadlift workouts:

Work sets:
Week1. 275 for 15
week2. 315 for 12
week3. 365 for 8
week4. 405 for 8

week5. Quit doing deads because the sudden strenght increase got me worried about blowing something out. The same happened with most of my other lifts, and they all skyrocketed when i added more fat and carbs into my diet, NOT protein, but that's not to say protein is not critical, it is, but not in the ridiculous 2 grams per lb bullshit. All you're doing there is ingesting expensive calories to be crapped out.
 
Damn......makes me feel better already. I Know that what works for some, may not for others....but i am going to give this 200 gms/day thing a try starting tomorrow (as I'll be eating about 500 gms today of TURKEY :D )

thanks for the post
 
I wouldn't say it's necessarily all about the actual amount of protein you're taking in, what's also important is how much you are actually absorbing. Everyone is different with respect to the amount of protein their body utilizes.

As someone else mentioned, throw in some ginger root to help with protein digestion.
 
First thing, get yourself on a controlled diet. Start with 1 gram of protein per pound of lean mass. Stick with this for about a month. Check your progress and increase or decrease your consumption depending on your results. I wish one figure could work for everyone....but that isn't it. It will take time to figure out what works for you. If this kind of stuff were easy...then we'd all be freaks. Just remember to document everything you do, then you can go back and see what worked and what didn't.
 
shiiiiiit! I weighed 230 before and I ate 230grams of protein and gained 45 pounds on test and d-bol. I ate more carbs I think though.
 
GREGORY said:
Well someone should have told me that when i weighed 275 with 13% BF. I got there with sparse protein consumptoin, about 200 grams per day and used no more then 500mg of Sust alone to get there over several cycles, and i started working out at 185 lbs. I learned quickly that there is a protein cut off point. At 150 grams per day the growth always started for me, so i fealt no need to increase, for what? You can only grow so fast. Over time i increased it to 200 grams and it worked just fine, but my growth exploded when i added more fat and carbs into the diet then protein. My lifts literally skyrocketed. For example my deadlift workouts:

Work sets:
Week1. 275 for 15
week2. 315 for 12
week3. 365 for 8
week4. 405 for 8

week5. Quit doing deads because the sudden strenght increase got me worried about blowing something out. The same happened with most of my other lifts, and they all skyrocketed when i added more fat and carbs into my diet, NOT protein, but that's not to say protein is not critical, it is, but not in the ridiculous 2 grams per lb bullshit. All you're doing there is ingesting expensive calories to be crapped out.
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I`ve read your other posts and they sound reasonable. I`m sure your total calories had to be high, so I`m wondering what your pro/carb/fat breakdown was.
 
something most of you are missing when spouting that you can grow with certain amounts of protein, ITS COMPLETELY INDIVIDUAL!!! Some guys can grow off of small amounts, some guys cant. Some guys can grow off of stupid, not very well thought out workouts, and most cant. Some guys can grow off off small or poorly thought out cycles, some cant. There are no absolutes in bodybuilding.
I would really like to see someone the size of a very large competitive bodybuilder, try to add more mass eating 1 gram per lb, or even 1.5 isnt likely with most people that size. But how many guys on here are actually that size, i see lots of guys throwing out their weight and stats, but frankly I dont buy it for the most part. Out of all my years here, I've seen maybe 5 guys post pics that back up those kind of stats
 
GREGORY said:
Well someone should have told me that when i weighed 275 with 13% BF. I got there with sparse protein consumptoin, about 200 grams per day and used no more then 500mg of Sust alone to get there over several cycles, and i started working out at 185 lbs. I learned quickly that there is a protein cut off point. At 150 grams per day the growth always started for me, so i fealt no need to increase, for what? You can only grow so fast. Over time i increased it to 200 grams and it worked just fine, but my growth exploded when i added more fat and carbs into the diet then protein. My lifts literally skyrocketed. For example my deadlift workouts:

Work sets:
Week1. 275 for 15
week2. 315 for 12
week3. 365 for 8
week4. 405 for 8

week5. Quit doing deads because the sudden strenght increase got me worried about blowing something out. The same happened with most of my other lifts, and they all skyrocketed when i added more fat and carbs into my diet, NOT protein, but that's not to say protein is not critical, it is, but not in the ridiculous 2 grams per lb bullshit. All you're doing there is ingesting expensive calories to be crapped out.
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Yeah, but you're uncircumsized, so your opinion doesn't matter.
 
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