Who gets regular blood tests?

[stevesmi]

I ran a 9 week tcyp only cycle at 500mg/wk and had blood work done 7 weeks post cycle and all was well. So now I just started 2nd cycle, short 7 weeker NPP/Prop stack, Adex .5mg/day, plus HGH 2iu 6 on 1 off.
Also thinking about throwing in T3 since my focus is cutting. Should work nice
I was going to wait at least 10 weeks but going on vacation and had just enough time to hit this cycle so once blood work came back i started.

how can this be true SD? it will take cyp a minimum of 5 weeks to just clear out.. more like 6 or 7 weeks. you weren't recovered at all, you merely still had it in your system and your pct gave the impression that you were recovered. once you would of stopped your pct your levels would of tanked until the body picks up on its own. gotta give it more time in between if you really want to cycle for years as nelson said above. if you don't care and plan on going TRT anyway then fuck it go for it. i want to stay cycling till i am into my 50's though knock on wood

 

[RickRock13]

bloodwork should be done after every cycle. a full hormone panel costs under $50 and it takes probably all of 15 minutes to walk into a labcorp that morning and get your blood taken.

how long it takes you to recover is longer than you think. if you run a long ester it takes a minimum of 6-7 weeks for all the esters to clear out of the body. assuming you run a good pct i would guestimate a typical 10-12 week cycle after last injection you are looking at 7 weeks for esters to clear + 10-12 weeks.. so i would say give it 15-20 weeks after your last injection before you should cycle back on assuming you ran a long cycle.. short cycles or short estered compounds obviously would be less time.

your HPTA is what you should be most concerned with unless you want to go on TRT at a young age which is a major blunder. LH and FSH should be strong.. I noticed as i've cycled my LH always rebounds back to where it was originally, however my FSH has not, but that could be due to getting older..

secondly your lipids should be a concern as your kidneys, heart, and liver valuesshould return to normal values.. if they do not then you need to stay off longer.

^Excellent post Steve!

 

[-SD-]

how can this be true SD? it will take cyp a minimum of 5 weeks to just clear out.. more like 6 or 7 weeks. you weren't recovered at all, you merely still had it in your system and your pct gave the impression that you were recovered. once you would of stopped your pct your levels would of tanked until the body picks up on its own. gotta give it more time in between if you really want to cycle for years as nelson said above. if you don't care and plan on going TRT anyway then fuck it go for it. i want to stay cycling till i am into my 50's though knock on wood

Even if LH and FSH are good?

 

[stevesmi]

^^ the LH and FSH were boosted by the pct and then when you stopped your pct it would come back down until the body picks it up. the clomid you took boosted it temporarily.

google "pct calculator" there is a good link (wont post it cause it links to other places) that you can put in what you are using and for how long and it gives you a good estimate of when the stuff gets to low levels in the body. typically in your situation running 500mg a week cyp for 9 weeks which is 63 days.. even by day 100 you still have 25mg of foreign androgens and anabolics in your system a day, enough to keep your HPTA from waking up from hibernation. thats almost 6 weeks after injection.. not enough to feel it in the gym, usually strength will come back down around week 5, but enough to keep you suppressed.

so there is no way after 7 weeks since last injection your body would of been functioning normally. not saying its bad to jump on cycle after just that short a time, but like nelson said earlier in the thread your HPTA is gonna get used to not having to create T on its own and eventually it won't want to wake up anymore

what i do is after pct i wait 4 weeks extra and then run bloods.. i want to see what my body did on its own without the help of SERM's or AI's.

the lesson is the more dosage, the longer the cycle, the more things you stack.. the longer it will take for the juice to leave the body and the longer recovery should be. a short cycle using light dosages will result in a quicker recovery.. which is why i always tell guys to run ONE compound and low dosages if they want to recover fast. and why in my experience running tren alone at 350mg a week vs. running tren + test will result in a quicker recovery. guys always argue this with me but if they would sit down and think about it for a second they would understand it perfectly.

the faster the androgens and anabolics leave the body, the quicker you will start recovery. its as simple as that. newbs should never run huge doses and many compounds until they master PCT and recovery first

i've gone though hundreds of bloods from guys who have PM'd me on here and I see a pattern of guys running 3 or 4 compounds and then taking forever to recover. not saying i'm against doing this however they have to learn to be patient and stretch out their pct out and can't expect to recover after a few weeks .. if only it was that simple

 

[-SD-]

Ok so say i hit this cycle anyhow, then wait at least 3-4 months until next cycle?
Whats worst that can happen?
Will i even make any gains on this now?

 

[stevesmi]

it would be like running 1 long cycle.

worst case you strain your lipids the whole way which won't be much of a big deal since your doses are low. but you don't want to make a habit of doing that cause your HPTA will be idle for a long period of time... and then when you come off recovery will be longer.

its also a good idea to cycle off to let your receptors clear out and IMHO switch up esters, dosages, and type of AAS you are doing. don't do the same cycle over and over or you will notice less of an effect. a good change up would be swapping out cyp for sustanon this time if you want to run a test only cycle