liquidmuscle said:do dumbell shrugs first 3 sets no less than 8 reps, then go to the squat rack and load up the bar with the max you can shrug and do those behind you back 3 sets no less than 8 reps each, then go to the shrug machine and do those till it fells like you just cant do em anymore...next day you will be a sore ass mofo, i do traps and shoulders on the same day but when i was really trying to get traps i did em on back and shoulder day
thanks liq ill try that-karma for you