Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hmm, that can't be right. I have been deadlifting since I started my 5x5, never did the exercise before and I can do 305x3, no straps etc, didn't seem that bad.. I am only 180lbs.. I use good form, just kept adding weight every week, but I still haven't come close to failure. Its hard on my hands a bit (no gloves), but I hold the bar a little lower in my grip now and its good. I can deadlift more then I can squat or bench for sure.
Hmm, that can't be right. I have been deadlifting since I started my 5x5, never did the exercise before and I can do 305x3, no straps etc, didn't seem that bad.. I am only 180lbs.. I use good form, just kept adding weight every week, but I still haven't come close to failure. Its hard on my hands a bit (no gloves), but I hold the bar a little lower in my grip now and its good. I can deadlift more then I can squat or bench for sure.
Did a little competition here in Iraq last night and pulled 435 at 183 lbs.
I REALLY want triple bodyweight. I'll be starting a DF5x5 within a week, so I'll be very interested in seeing the effect the program will have on my deadlift, squats, and bench. I also want bodyweight military press. After that, it will hopefully be on to a double bodyweight bench.
So many goals...so little time...
I REALLY want triple bodyweight. I'll be starting a DF5x5 within a week, so I'll be very interested in seeing the effect the program will have on my deadlift, squats, and bench. I also want bodyweight military press. After that, it will hopefully be on to a double bodyweight bench.
So many goals...so little time...
GoldenDelicious
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glad i found this postGoldenDelicious on the 29th july 05 said:i just came into the forum looking for something on deads
i have done deads 4 times over the past 5 years - one session yesterday, one session about a year ago, and a couple of bullshit sessions sometimes before that
im natural, dieting (low cal, low carb), weigh 178ish at the moment at 5 9, and i pulled 400 for one after a couple of work sets at 320
cant say i felt much the next day though, dont know if ill do it again..
up to 440 for a single after a few work sets at 350 then 400 for 2-3 reps
would be nice to hit 500 before the end of the year...but then, celebrating new years with a torn up back isnt a fab idea if things go wrong
most pulled was 265 in comp and 290 in the gym.
God I miss powerlifting
God I miss powerlifting
Tiervexx
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I agree with AAP and needsize that deadlifting is not the most effective way of building muscle but I still do them about once a month or so to do something diffrent.
Even though I don't think deadlifts are good for training I do believe that they are a very good test of strength.
Even though I don't think deadlifts are good for training I do believe that they are a very good test of strength.
kethnaab
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Gonna do something very unwise here and argue with a knowledgeable mod.
AAP said:
People do deads on the day they train back and after such a draining effort of hauling weight up off the floor for no reason, they don't have enough energy, focus or CNS reserves to really hit the back the way it is suppose to be hit.
-I have to agree with this statement. I've always done it as part of my leg workout or at the end of a back workout. I cannot, for the life of me, picture being able to do a decent barbell row workout after doing deads.
What part of the back does it hit? Lower back? You can do hyper extensions and reverse hypers to detail that area.
and you can do leg extensions to detail the quads. By this logic, one shouldn't squat?
And a detailed area will always look better and bigger than a thick area.
- a detailed area that is thick will always look better and bigger than a detailed area that isn't thick. You're going to have a tough time convincing anyone that hypers build more muscle on the lower back than deads.
Deads touch on other areas with the stress (whole body actually), but I am going to tell you that you are not going to get the same growth inducing size from deads that you will get from exercises that target your back more specifically and in better harmony than with your natural body biomechanics. Face it. When you are hauling something up off the floor, the primary movers are your quads anyway. As any Good Employee Safety Program says... lift with your legs.
- agreed! that's why I almost always did them as part of my leg workout.
You want rods of iron going up your mid back to your skull? Then work the traps with that intensity. Most people simply do barbell, dumbell or machine shrugs for traps. Hello? Have you seen an anatomy chart of trapezius location and composition? Those things run 3/4 of the way down your back. But most people don't realize this and train accordingly. Sitting on a row machine, you can hold the handle and try to pinch your shoulder blades together without bending your elbows and thicken the mid traps. You can hit lower traps by hanging from a chinning bar or on a lat machine and shrugging your shoulder blades down and backwards. The range of movement is about 2 inches and if you do it right, it will cramp hard on every rep.
- or you could do 1 exercise (deads) that do the work of 4 exercises (hypers, reverse hypers, "shoulder blade pinches" and "lower trap chin-bar reverse shrugs")
Also, don't be fooled by so and so pro BBer saying they do them. I know for a fact that Lee Haney never did deadlifts, despite being photographed and filmed doing them. He just did that to follow a script someone else wrote. Hell, in Lee Haney's gym, deadlifts are forbidden. You do them, they show you the door.
Lee Haney had awesome lats, but a pretty piss-poor lower back. Of course, he was also naturally wasp-waisted, so I'm sure this contributed to things.
You take all that energy and time you are wasting in doing deads and apply it to a more intelligent and thorough back and trap workout and you will see much better results.
your use of the terms "more intelligent" and "thorough" are quite arguable. Saying that it's more intelligent and thorough to use 4 exercises to do the work of 1 exercise (that also has several other fringe benefits) is pretty...well...arguable.
Besides, the lower back area is composed more of tendons and connective tissue than actual muscle. I can assure you that when you reach 40 years old, you are NOT going to be happy with fucking around in that area with heavy weights 10 years prior.
well, i'm almost 40 years old, and "fucking around" in that area is certainly a bad idea, but properly performed deadlifts certainly will help you more than they will hurt you.
Not going to argue about waist size issues, although I don't think they will widen the waist anymore than squats. I also agree with Tier and others in that frequency, for me, was lower, generally best at every other week.
AAP said:
People do deads on the day they train back and after such a draining effort of hauling weight up off the floor for no reason, they don't have enough energy, focus or CNS reserves to really hit the back the way it is suppose to be hit.
-I have to agree with this statement. I've always done it as part of my leg workout or at the end of a back workout. I cannot, for the life of me, picture being able to do a decent barbell row workout after doing deads.
What part of the back does it hit? Lower back? You can do hyper extensions and reverse hypers to detail that area.
and you can do leg extensions to detail the quads. By this logic, one shouldn't squat?
And a detailed area will always look better and bigger than a thick area.
- a detailed area that is thick will always look better and bigger than a detailed area that isn't thick. You're going to have a tough time convincing anyone that hypers build more muscle on the lower back than deads.
Deads touch on other areas with the stress (whole body actually), but I am going to tell you that you are not going to get the same growth inducing size from deads that you will get from exercises that target your back more specifically and in better harmony than with your natural body biomechanics. Face it. When you are hauling something up off the floor, the primary movers are your quads anyway. As any Good Employee Safety Program says... lift with your legs.
- agreed! that's why I almost always did them as part of my leg workout.
You want rods of iron going up your mid back to your skull? Then work the traps with that intensity. Most people simply do barbell, dumbell or machine shrugs for traps. Hello? Have you seen an anatomy chart of trapezius location and composition? Those things run 3/4 of the way down your back. But most people don't realize this and train accordingly. Sitting on a row machine, you can hold the handle and try to pinch your shoulder blades together without bending your elbows and thicken the mid traps. You can hit lower traps by hanging from a chinning bar or on a lat machine and shrugging your shoulder blades down and backwards. The range of movement is about 2 inches and if you do it right, it will cramp hard on every rep.
- or you could do 1 exercise (deads) that do the work of 4 exercises (hypers, reverse hypers, "shoulder blade pinches" and "lower trap chin-bar reverse shrugs")
Also, don't be fooled by so and so pro BBer saying they do them. I know for a fact that Lee Haney never did deadlifts, despite being photographed and filmed doing them. He just did that to follow a script someone else wrote. Hell, in Lee Haney's gym, deadlifts are forbidden. You do them, they show you the door.
Lee Haney had awesome lats, but a pretty piss-poor lower back. Of course, he was also naturally wasp-waisted, so I'm sure this contributed to things.
You take all that energy and time you are wasting in doing deads and apply it to a more intelligent and thorough back and trap workout and you will see much better results.
your use of the terms "more intelligent" and "thorough" are quite arguable. Saying that it's more intelligent and thorough to use 4 exercises to do the work of 1 exercise (that also has several other fringe benefits) is pretty...well...arguable.
Besides, the lower back area is composed more of tendons and connective tissue than actual muscle. I can assure you that when you reach 40 years old, you are NOT going to be happy with fucking around in that area with heavy weights 10 years prior.
well, i'm almost 40 years old, and "fucking around" in that area is certainly a bad idea, but properly performed deadlifts certainly will help you more than they will hurt you.
Not going to argue about waist size issues, although I don't think they will widen the waist anymore than squats. I also agree with Tier and others in that frequency, for me, was lower, generally best at every other week.
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BadboyAl
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funny i posted on here like 3 or 4 months ago.. i just started pulling seriously and hit my 415 initial goal in like 1 month.
i just hit 485 after a few months of focusing on the pull... doing 405 for 6reps now.
nice to see the progress.. i only pull once a week at 2x5 and do 1rm every 3 weeks for 2weeks in a row. my dl wont stop going up...
i just hit 485 after a few months of focusing on the pull... doing 405 for 6reps now.
nice to see the progress.. i only pull once a week at 2x5 and do 1rm every 3 weeks for 2weeks in a row. my dl wont stop going up...
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