what's the point of bulking for gaining muscle?

[SgtSlaughter]

sgtslaughter, you saying you gained 33 pound of lean weight without eating much at all and not much knowlege in just two years. Unless you are like 6ft you must be highly genetically gifted or highly chemically assisted to do that.

I don't remember exactly, it was back in highschool (i'm 23 yrs old now and 230lbs).... i was 5'10 then.

But yeah... I trained like an animal (horrible training but it was intense) and did NOT eat nearly enough food looking back on it. I remember i used to skip dinner and have a protein shake cuz I thought it was "healthier."

We live and learn.

I'm saying earlier on, newbie gains can be very abundant because your body is being blasted with quality (i hope) training that it's never experienced before. And years of training after it becomes much harder to gain weight, and then pretty much just comes down to eating for serious growth.

 

[JKurz1]

Find your BMR and your maintence cals. Increase them by 250 kcals to start and monitor weight gain weekly.

Adjust from there.

Include cardio 2x a week, lift heavy for 5 and eat clean.....100% clean.

 

[jpt]

AGREED...you can lift heavy all you want... it's the cals that's going to get you bigger!!! so make sure that's in check first

 

[YoungIntricateMuscle]

weight gain is fat and water if its over 10 pounds a year though......why an extra 250 calories a week. That's like 1/3 pound of fat added per week. Why have to cut. I don't get it. I guess though if you eat clean which is really hard then 250 calories over maintance is pretty good and no carbs after 6pm

 

[Jayhawk21]

weight gain is fat and water if its over 10 pounds a year though......why an extra 250 calories a week. That's like 1/3 pound of fat added per week. Why have to cut. I don't get it. I guess though if you eat clean which is really hard then 250 calories over maintance is pretty good and no carbs after 6pm

How do you back this up? You can't just say that "weight gain is fat and water if it's over 10 pounds in a year though". In my first year of lifting I gained 30 pounds alone, let me assure you 20 pounds of it wasn't fat..

 

[gettnlarge01]

weight gain is fat and water if its over 10 pounds a year though......why an extra 250 calories a week. That's like 1/3 pound of fat added per week. Why have to cut. I don't get it. I guess though if you eat clean which is really hard then 250 calories over maintance is pretty good and no carbs after 6pm

Do you have a ref to a study to prove this or are you just saying it because you can't add muscle?

 

[JKurz1]

Here's the difference. When you are lean like me (sub 7%) eating one thing other than your "broc/chicken" makes your abs and cuts fade faster than shit. Going from 10% to 6% is so friggn hard as is going from 6% to 10% because you hate seeing everything fade away. HOWEVER, there is no real diference once you are higher than 12$ and lower than 20%.....that's where most of these guys stand so they can eat their ass off and think there was no fat gain because the mirror doesnt look any different!

my .02ml

PS ...it's def just as hard for some to go from 160 to 200 as it is from 200-230....I think it's 100x as hard. Hel, if I was 10% or higher, I'd have no problem eating my ass off only to get bigger......but being shredded and losing everything and then not getting stronger in the gym is hard to swallow....

 

[harbinator]

You posted this thread with a question, you got answers, you obviously don't like them. Eat how you want and you can be jkurz 2.0, 175lb the rest of your life and wondering why you can't get big, make sure to focus on "tight" reps instead of weight progression.

 

[JKurz1]

You posted this thread with a question, you got answers, you obviously don't like them. Eat how you want and you can be jkurz 2.0, 160lb the rest of your life and wondering why you can't get big, make sure to focus on "tight" reps instead of weight progression.

and be diced as hell...........we;ll see bro....we'll see what happens by summertime.

 

[mm107]

I KNOW i will be sliced and diced for the summer....In order for you to grow, you need to be in a calorie surplus, its very simple.

OR

Eat Meals at specific times for specific reasons like i do with a slight surplus, but spread it out throughout the day. Specifically breakfast. If you have a 1500 calorie breakfast and a 500 calorie snack(peanutbutter & Tuna) in the morning, you will be already at 2000cals.

Alot of people who say that eating in a surplus will cause them to gain fat. Ok, to each his own, but i bet the group of people saying this are VERY CARB/INSULIN Sensitive. I am also carb sensitive, as i can see my 6pac by friday, and i loose it over the weekend from the carbs. That is just how body acts. So how do i combat this? SIMPLE I EAT LOW GI CARBS which cause LESS of an insulin spike. AND i only consume these LOW GI carbs early in the day. Its very simple Dieting, its consitancy.

I am in no way an ectomorph, in fact i would be consider a endo/meso mix. Simply because my body DOES put on muscle fast, but also will put on fat JUST as fast. Trust me. I know my body, I went from 240lbs -> 150lbs ->205lbs now. And during that 150 ->205 phase, i did put on some noticable fat. BUT it is 2x as easy to burn off that fat considering my new muscle mass now burns even MORE calories at resting point.

So Jkurz, i understand what you are saying also, i was once 150 with a complete set of 8pac. BUT i was still only 150lbs. If eating ANYTHING besides your Chicken/Brocholi gets you fat. Why not start DOUBLING up your chicken servings? I would rather the chicken get proceeses and turned into glucose (since the chances of you over flooding yourself with glucose/glycogen with protein sources are slim because the insuline spike is less, but possible) Carbs will be broken down into glycogen/glucose, but the insilin spike associated with them causes FAT GAIN. So avoid carbs at all costs since it seems you are carb sensitive. And go with LEAN Meats bro. AND ALOT OF them. And DECENT AMOUNT OF EFA's. and you will grow.