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yeah if you are at least 5ft 11. But im 5ft 7 and i started at 125
what's the point of bulking for gaining muscle?
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al420 said:
that was a typo. I meant the intensity of the rep is more important for building muscle then the weight itself where you start using a lot of secondary muscles.
YoungIntricateMuscle said:
If Sgt said he gained 33lbs of lean mass he did, go back he has had several logs in here that shows his diet/effort that he has been doing...
Going from 200 to 230 is a battke. Not 150-190.
I persoanlly was 240lbs. Dropped my weight to 150lbs in 7-8 months. W/O anabolics.
Then went from 150-180 in 3-4 months after.
I eat CLEAN Bulk, meaning i do not have pizza, chips, etc to get extra calories. when i need extra calories i throw in my healthy fat which is 9calories per gram, meanwhile protein is 4 cals.
EATING like a PIG will make u gain weight.
I also, am NOT genetically gifted. On the weekends when i cheat, i hold the fat easily. I am carb sensitivie and hold fat VERY easy when carbs are in play. So i DO work my ass off the eat clean every day i can. Weekends are mine to get dirty lol
YoungIntricateMuscle
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i got to give a lot of credit to you for eating clean. It's really hard. It's easy for me to stay away from pizza, juice, chinese food, cheesesteaks, fries, and chicken fingers and instead eat lean tuna, turkey, roast beef, steak, chicken and tilapia. But to hold off from pastries is really hard for me. I usaully feel like i am going to completely fall apart if i don't eat that cheese danish; and after i eat it i feel 10 times better and i can't wait to eat a second one. Another problem i have is hunger in the morning as soon as i wake up. I wake up really late anyway and barely have time to get dressed then go to school. I can't wake up early no matter what. If i do then i can't workout or do school work.
I've been really trying to get on a clean light bulk for the past week but couldn't, mostly because of a lot of homework and extracirrucular activities and poor time management. Consistency is really hard. Sometimes im not convinced enough to stay consistent, like it wouldn't matter if i dieted or not especially because im 17. Im currently not doing the 5x5. I did it for 4-5 weeks and didn't really realize any good results and didn't get any good pump from it. Also i hated the fact it didn't have pull-ups which i feel put a lot of stress on my body especially feel it in my biceps which need a lot of work. The barbell row just doesn't feel the same as a pull-up.
Right now my workout is anywhere like 3-5 times a week. I workout what i feel needs to be worked out that day, but i make sure i do deadlifts, squats, bench, and military press no matter what.
My Previous workout (this tuesday) Goal - Pure muscle growth
Squats
First Set - 125 x 10 slow, deep, tight reps
135 x 5 slow, tight reps
145 x 5 slow, tight reps
Bench - 125 x 10 slow, deep, really tight reps (squezing chest 3 seconds at contraction)
135 x 5 slow, tight reps
145 x 3 slow, tight reps
Incline Flies - 2 sets x 10 - squezing at top
Pull-ups - 3 sets x 6
Decline tight half sit-ups - 2 sets x 10
Knee raises on pull-up bar - 2 sets x 10 (held at contraction for 5 tight seconds)
I've been really trying to get on a clean light bulk for the past week but couldn't, mostly because of a lot of homework and extracirrucular activities and poor time management. Consistency is really hard. Sometimes im not convinced enough to stay consistent, like it wouldn't matter if i dieted or not especially because im 17. Im currently not doing the 5x5. I did it for 4-5 weeks and didn't really realize any good results and didn't get any good pump from it. Also i hated the fact it didn't have pull-ups which i feel put a lot of stress on my body especially feel it in my biceps which need a lot of work. The barbell row just doesn't feel the same as a pull-up.
Right now my workout is anywhere like 3-5 times a week. I workout what i feel needs to be worked out that day, but i make sure i do deadlifts, squats, bench, and military press no matter what.
My Previous workout (this tuesday) Goal - Pure muscle growth
Squats
First Set - 125 x 10 slow, deep, tight reps
135 x 5 slow, tight reps
145 x 5 slow, tight reps
Bench - 125 x 10 slow, deep, really tight reps (squezing chest 3 seconds at contraction)
135 x 5 slow, tight reps
145 x 3 slow, tight reps
Incline Flies - 2 sets x 10 - squezing at top
Pull-ups - 3 sets x 6
Decline tight half sit-ups - 2 sets x 10
Knee raises on pull-up bar - 2 sets x 10 (held at contraction for 5 tight seconds)
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al420
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THe workout needs a lot of work - all your desciptives sound like they come from Flex Magazine or some other fag rag. WTF is a "really tight rep"....or for that matter all that "tight" nonsense you speak of. Man you have a lot to elarn, but that is good b/c your young and you will be smarter than all of us by the time you hit 30...Actually now I am jealous of the info you are about to get as if I got it at 17 I think I would be the WSM.
If you are 17 STOP training right away. Buy a book called Starting Strength and don't lift again until you are done. Then read the training stickys (the stickys are worthless IMO w/out spot on form, meaning squatting as deep as the lord allows, etc, etc). Then do the 3x5. Then the 5x5. There is not ONE person on this forum that dosen't wish they had the 5x5 or something like it when they were 17.
Again, your diet sounds like it is straight out of a Muscle&Fitness mag...lol. Eat everything you can, ESPECIALLY cheese danishes - pastries are where PR's come from. NO ONE can grow eating broccoli and chicken. And you are hungry in the AM b/c you are STARVED. You can't have it both ways bro - if you want the muscle you have to eat for it. If you eat like a bird you will look like one.
If you are 17 STOP training right away. Buy a book called Starting Strength and don't lift again until you are done. Then read the training stickys (the stickys are worthless IMO w/out spot on form, meaning squatting as deep as the lord allows, etc, etc). Then do the 3x5. Then the 5x5. There is not ONE person on this forum that dosen't wish they had the 5x5 or something like it when they were 17.
Again, your diet sounds like it is straight out of a Muscle&Fitness mag...lol. Eat everything you can, ESPECIALLY cheese danishes - pastries are where PR's come from. NO ONE can grow eating broccoli and chicken. And you are hungry in the AM b/c you are STARVED. You can't have it both ways bro - if you want the muscle you have to eat for it. If you eat like a bird you will look like one.
YoungIntricateMuscle
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you didn't understand what i said............i was doing the 5x5 and pyramid training the past 4 months and no not from magazines which is all bullshit. I didn't get any really noticable muscle growth or definition. but now im experimenting with doing reps and sets based on mind over muscle connection and trying to do the the exersice the puts maximum stress and maximum pump at the time, without overtraining my body. You might look at my workout and say that's not enough, but for how my body felt that day that was just my limit. I don't want cortisol rushing through my body.
I mean i was doing the 5x5, but the way i did my reps with bigger weights and as much as i thought i had good form i didn't. It wasn't untill my strength went up through the 5x5 and pyramid training that i realized im still doing the same weight and reps but with even better form with slower and more controlled reps. With 5x5 i felt like i was training more tendons then anything else. Now with controlling the weight on the way down slowly i feel much more muscle stimulation. The 5x5 is a really great workout, but im always tempted to go up in weight which ruins my form because all those sets and so much of them per week makes you feel like you should be going up in weight quickly.
I don't have a problem with bulking and gaining weight. I do have a problem with clean bulking though. So ok just a little over maintance calories is all that is required for building muscle. I believe that 100 calories over maintance will build just as much musle as 500-1000 calories over maintance which is just addition of fat. More calories doesn't mean more muscle if you are not juiced. Not even more protein calories. Why eat danishes and junk food just to raise insulin levels at wrong times to gain fat? I want to look like a bodybuilder not be fat. To have a 6 pac you have to eat clean calories, well at least for my genetics.
If i can light clean bulk for the next 6 months straight i would look amazing, well anybody would. Light clean bulking saves you months of cutting from being to fat from a bulk and losing muscle. Its really hard to be able to clean bulk even if saturdays and sundays you can cheat.
I mean i was doing the 5x5, but the way i did my reps with bigger weights and as much as i thought i had good form i didn't. It wasn't untill my strength went up through the 5x5 and pyramid training that i realized im still doing the same weight and reps but with even better form with slower and more controlled reps. With 5x5 i felt like i was training more tendons then anything else. Now with controlling the weight on the way down slowly i feel much more muscle stimulation. The 5x5 is a really great workout, but im always tempted to go up in weight which ruins my form because all those sets and so much of them per week makes you feel like you should be going up in weight quickly.
I don't have a problem with bulking and gaining weight. I do have a problem with clean bulking though. So ok just a little over maintance calories is all that is required for building muscle. I believe that 100 calories over maintance will build just as much musle as 500-1000 calories over maintance which is just addition of fat. More calories doesn't mean more muscle if you are not juiced. Not even more protein calories. Why eat danishes and junk food just to raise insulin levels at wrong times to gain fat? I want to look like a bodybuilder not be fat. To have a 6 pac you have to eat clean calories, well at least for my genetics.
If i can light clean bulk for the next 6 months straight i would look amazing, well anybody would. Light clean bulking saves you months of cutting from being to fat from a bulk and losing muscle. Its really hard to be able to clean bulk even if saturdays and sundays you can cheat.
I am a rather extreme ectomorph, and I fell in the the trap of trying to eat clean bla bla bla. Now I just eat whatever I see. I've successfully gained 13 pounds without giving a shit what I eat. My bf has not gone up noticeably at all, pants still the same size. I don't know why people eat like girls if they don't have to. I don't drink pop and try to stay away from sugar, but I don't understand why people are so anal when they are bulking. Just eat whatever you can in sight, and then cut later if you want to.
gettnlarge01
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Its easier to add muscle when there is a surplus of good nutrients in your body[good excess calorieseveryday? Being consitent with your diet and training makes it easier to adjust so you can make progress.
