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Whats better: Inj. 1-AD or 4-AD?
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Depends what athlete you are. if your lookign for size then i suggest testosterone because 4ad doesnt put on size on ya. It WILL give ya strength,endurance wateva. Go over to animals board and read the posts you wont find one sayign gained a good amount of mass and if ya post about it that dumb f#ck animal will just respond with some incoherent garbage that makes no sense but ends with im the boss.
Nutri-Wrestler
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mikeraz, i thought u liked animal
Ross
Ross
After spending time on his website i realized hes just a guy trying to live long on his long expired 15 minutes of fame.The guy doesnt answer questions he just talks its strange. Like for example i asked to show proof 4ad is mass builder his response is " do a search" so i do a search and his posts on 4ad are very very vague he says his legs are bigger but doesnt give a number stuff like that so i bring this up with him whats he do he bans me and goes on and on abut how smart he is when in reality hes pretty f*cking stupid i mean granted he was the first to capitalize on fina kits,liquidex etc but thats 3 long years ago . what he does is pick and choose which study's HE THINKS are real and which are bunk. Also ive seen him get ripped apart by a real chemsit and by a guy who just knwos chemistry. he got killed on the 4ad-diacetate post and got killed on a BA post. Hapens to be noone on his board besides for dogcrapp thinks for himself. And no i dont belive injectable 4ad is anygood other then strength,maybe endurance
Nutri-Wrestler
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Mikeraz- Not to flame, but you were one of his faithfull followers for a looong time. dont worry, i wont hold it against ya, i was like that with my ex g/f until i realized she was a selfish cold hearted bitch who has never grown up yet.
Ross
Ross
Nutri-Wrestler
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Im not sure what your take on other Ph's are (i know u hate 4-ad). but i do like boldione and 1-ad. it put on about 17lbs for me.
Ross
Ross
javaguru
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I agree with Mikeraz about Animal. Here is a quote from Misc.fitness.weights on how animal was described to Lyle McDonald, "Animal" is a conspiracy theory nut, gym teacher, bicyclist from somewhere around Minnesota." I'm actually surprised he can stay in business considering the low quality of his customer service. There are other quality kits and you can go to a chemical supply company and put together your own kit for under $6.00.
Regarding 4-ad, I agined 7lbs LBM in two weeks on injectable 4-ad-ec and I'm an experienced lifter/gear user. I like it so much I don't think I'll ever use illegal gear again. You can get 50g for under $100.00 at kilosports. I don't know anyone that has been able to tolerate 1-test as an injectable.
Regarding 4-ad, I agined 7lbs LBM in two weeks on injectable 4-ad-ec and I'm an experienced lifter/gear user. I like it so much I don't think I'll ever use illegal gear again. You can get 50g for under $100.00 at kilosports. I don't know anyone that has been able to tolerate 1-test as an injectable.
Nutri-Wrestler
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haha, im feelin alright, i love xanax... 
Ross
Ross
See i think there is some (very little) truth to his conspiracy theories but once again very little. My issue with him isnt on price of the kits its on the way he doesnt answer questions and the way hes just insane especially since i belive hes like 160 pounds or so .The man doesnt know how to argue or present facts hes just a moron simply put.
on 4ad i dont think its so good pityocamptes used animals 4ad/nordiol suspension oil kit used it for 10 months and gained 20 pounds BUT he gained 15 off of using animals water suspension nordiol alone . so java i dont think it will work a second time for you
on 4ad i dont think its so good pityocamptes used animals 4ad/nordiol suspension oil kit used it for 10 months and gained 20 pounds BUT he gained 15 off of using animals water suspension nordiol alone . so java i dont think it will work a second time for you
javaguru
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Why would 4-ad-ec work once and not work a second time? To me that's like saying testosterone will work once but not again. Certainly every pound you gain over your genetic potential will decrease the amount of gains from your next cycle but that is true about any anabolic. If everybody gained 30lbs every cycle we would be seeing 1,000+ lb pro bodybuilders.
I dunno all i know is that he never used gear went on 19nordiol water suspension gained 15 pounds was happy then waited 2 months jumped on 4ad and nordiol oil suspension at a gram of both a week. gained 5 pounds thats strange because if newbie would do a cycle of test at 700 mg get great gains then another cycle does test at a gram and deca at 500 hed be up another 15-20 pounds
Pityocamptes
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Skywhore, mikeraz, etc...
Don't use my words and twist them! Yes my initial PH cycle was with 19-nor and after that I combined the two. I did gain alot of weight off of the 19-nor but what you fail to list is that I also started cutting after a few months of taking the 19-nor/4ad and still kept my gains (in fact kept slowly gaining) and lost 3 to 3.5 in pant sizes. I don't know what stick you have up your ass but the compound WAS anabolic. Please get off your crusade/soap box. If people want to try it, let them. Unless you've tried it your not an accurate source of information. ANYONE can spew what someone else said or did but until you have first hand experience/knowledge F**k OFF!!!!!!
P.S. - Fear not, MIKERAZ will shortly be posting a rebutal in his Holy 4AD/PH Crusade. So unless everyone here want to be duped, YES DUPED, by an individual who has no knowledge based on experience go ahead and listen to him. I don't even know whay I bother...
Moreover, who the FUCK cares if I never did a REAL cycle (oooohhhhhh I feel cheated) if the PH's work then use them! Twenty pounds in ten months while also cutting is something. You obviously are uneducated because if everyone gained 20, 30lbs or more on a REAL cycle like you like to advertise then wouldn't there be a whole lot of giants out there? I don't see that happening or see any of them. Maybe your hell bent because you lack the BALLS, yes BALLS to try it. As far as I'm concerned your useless on this subject.
Don't use my words and twist them! Yes my initial PH cycle was with 19-nor and after that I combined the two. I did gain alot of weight off of the 19-nor but what you fail to list is that I also started cutting after a few months of taking the 19-nor/4ad and still kept my gains (in fact kept slowly gaining) and lost 3 to 3.5 in pant sizes. I don't know what stick you have up your ass but the compound WAS anabolic. Please get off your crusade/soap box. If people want to try it, let them. Unless you've tried it your not an accurate source of information. ANYONE can spew what someone else said or did but until you have first hand experience/knowledge F**k OFF!!!!!!
P.S. - Fear not, MIKERAZ will shortly be posting a rebutal in his Holy 4AD/PH Crusade. So unless everyone here want to be duped, YES DUPED, by an individual who has no knowledge based on experience go ahead and listen to him. I don't even know whay I bother...
Moreover, who the FUCK cares if I never did a REAL cycle (oooohhhhhh I feel cheated) if the PH's work then use them! Twenty pounds in ten months while also cutting is something. You obviously are uneducated because if everyone gained 20, 30lbs or more on a REAL cycle like you like to advertise then wouldn't there be a whole lot of giants out there? I don't see that happening or see any of them. Maybe your hell bent because you lack the BALLS, yes BALLS to try it. As far as I'm concerned your useless on this subject.
See pityho is the perfect example of the animal brainwash. He thinks the guys a doctor,lawyer,god he asks him life questiosn etc.
no pityo im not skylor im greghines. So you obviously cant do math ok . you gained 20 pounds in 10 months.You gained 15 pounds on nordiol alone. now 20-15 is 5 so you gained 5 pounds in 9 months. But you upped the dose!! and i know you were bulking the first 2 months on 4ad/nordiol BECAUSE YOU SAID SO!!!! in your original posts. but now you change it so you dont look like a complete moron. You can try to spin it all you want but it aint going to work. I read all your posts you even have a post when your disapointed that you arent gaining like you did on nordiol alone. now if someoen did a cycle of test then did a cycle of test/deca theyd be up in the 10's of pounds but no your right. DUMBASS
no pityo im not skylor im greghines. So you obviously cant do math ok . you gained 20 pounds in 10 months.You gained 15 pounds on nordiol alone. now 20-15 is 5 so you gained 5 pounds in 9 months. But you upped the dose!! and i know you were bulking the first 2 months on 4ad/nordiol BECAUSE YOU SAID SO!!!! in your original posts. but now you change it so you dont look like a complete moron. You can try to spin it all you want but it aint going to work. I read all your posts you even have a post when your disapointed that you arent gaining like you did on nordiol alone. now if someoen did a cycle of test then did a cycle of test/deca theyd be up in the 10's of pounds but no your right. DUMBASS
Pityocamptes
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You are a waste of time. No wonder you got your ass banned on Animals board.
Hear Ye, Hear Ye: If you all want to look like Ronnie Coleman listen to limp dick, I mean Mikeraz because he will put you on the path to success. Since he couldn't/wouldn't listen to vet lifters on Animals board he can help you here. I vote he be made a MOD.... no wonder I hate visiting this lame ass board.. FUCK OFF DICK WEED and continue to be small, both physically and mentally!
Hear Ye, Hear Ye: If you all want to look like Ronnie Coleman listen to limp dick, I mean Mikeraz because he will put you on the path to success. Since he couldn't/wouldn't listen to vet lifters on Animals board he can help you here. I vote he be made a MOD.... no wonder I hate visiting this lame ass board.. FUCK OFF DICK WEED and continue to be small, both physically and mentally!
Go back to your master animal keep asking him about what degree to get,what life insurance the usual stuff that you must post about. Its a shame people like you still listen to the moron. Im prolly bigger then you (220 at 5'10) and animal bans people that prove him wrong c'mon ask animal to post his stats he wont wanan know why because hes a 160 pound gym teacher. ask him to post his spectacular weight gain on 4ad he wont why because he got none.have fun gainign 50 pounds in 70 years.
read his posts he always talks about when the feds kicked him out etc and he lost his job yet he never tells you what his job was? because he was a gym teacher not some brilliant nuclear chemist he eludes to. The man thinks he beat the goverment hes a moron you didnt beat the govt if everything you had was legal! the mafia beats the gov't most of the timke animal didnt.
read his posts he always talks about when the feds kicked him out etc and he lost his job yet he never tells you what his job was? because he was a gym teacher not some brilliant nuclear chemist he eludes to. The man thinks he beat the goverment hes a moron you didnt beat the govt if everything you had was legal! the mafia beats the gov't most of the timke animal didnt.
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The problem with ANIMAL's PH kits is that, until now, you didn't have access to esterified prohormones. Unless one made a crystalline suspension of 4-AD, 19-NOR, etc., which hurt like hell, you were left with SOLUTIONS of unesterified prohormones, which will rapidly leave the depot and be metabolized. Rapid inactivation of the prohormone will not allow for maximum activation of the AR. Unesterified prohormone solutions would require multiple daily injections to maintain chronic elevated levels.
Now that there are esterified prohormones, I believe there will be better results and notice will be taken to the anabolic potential of 4-AD, 1-Test, etc.
Also, ANIMAL gets all of his scientific knowledge from the "Sesame Street Color-By-Number" science book.
Now that there are esterified prohormones, I believe there will be better results and notice will be taken to the anabolic potential of 4-AD, 1-Test, etc.
Also, ANIMAL gets all of his scientific knowledge from the "Sesame Street Color-By-Number" science book.
Pityocamptes said:
No offense, but animal bans anybody who DARES to tell
him he's wromg.
IN FACT, he got BANNED from AF for this same reason.
Animal a mod here? Yeah right. There would be a civil war
between the moderators.
Actually, why don't you tell animal to get over here and explain
the 4-AD controversy to us........since he's so smart.
Fonz
Pityocamptes
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Where did I say Animal become a MOD? Christ, not only are some of the people narrow minded but appearently they can't read either! As far as the 4AD controversy, please, you or Mikeraz explain why you haven't taken it to find out for yourself. Its a no brainer. The only way YOU will ever find out if something works is to try it. Please answer the one question on WHY you haven't taken it, I'd like to know. NO more smart ass remarks either Mikeraz. As far as disagreeing with Animal I have and so have others. We just haven't been so dense as to take it to the nth level to warrant a ban/flame.
People bash hmb ,vandyl sulfate why dont you take that then to see for yourself? i havent taken it the same reason why i never took vanadyl sulfate,hmb because i havent heard feedback that i like. And you were the one who started the smart ass/cursing remarks not me. Since day one ALL i have been trying to find out if 4ad is a mass builder and due to people posting very very vague or poor or sketchy posts on 4ad. Im not saying 4ad wont make ya stronger or endurance im asking for MASS! And anyway it looks like animals buisness might be over anyway rumor has it some hobby chemists got a visit from the DEA and there watching finaplix orders and animal also posted it recently so the kit buisness will probably be obsolite soon. but back to this argument animal will never come here and discuss it because he will never enter a argument he cant win on any other board but his(so he can delete,change things etc) in reality javaguru has the best proof but its one persons testimony.
javaguru
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Here is the url to a meso article explaining esters and why a TNE solution sucks....
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm
Now, making a good suspension would require access to a laboratory. It's much more difficult than throwing some powder in a vial of sterile water or oil(solution/suspension). You would at least need a surfacant and you wouldn't be able to guarantee uniform particle size and dispersion. Likewise, what do you think would happen to the suspended material when you ran it through a .22um filter to sterilize?
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm
Now, making a good suspension would require access to a laboratory. It's much more difficult than throwing some powder in a vial of sterile water or oil(solution/suspension). You would at least need a surfacant and you wouldn't be able to guarantee uniform particle size and dispersion. Likewise, what do you think would happen to the suspended material when you ran it through a .22um filter to sterilize?
javaguru
Banned
You certainly could create a suspension in oil but every pharmaceutical test suspension I've ever heard about is a water suspension. Since all steroids are by definition soluble in oil I would be concerned that an unknown amount of the drug would actually be in solution and the rest suspended. Likewise, the size of the steroid crystals is a prime factor in half-life. If the crystals are not uniform then your blood levels of the drug would be very erratic and it would be difficult to come up with an appropriate dosing schedule. Unless you have an even dispersion of crystals within the suspension you don't know exactly how much you are injecting which makes dosing problematic. Esters just make developing a consistent injection/dosing schedule easier as compared to a crude suspension, not to mention increasing solubility allowing for larger mg/ml solutions. I'm not saying a crude suspension wouldn't give results but the pharmacokinetics suck compared to an esterised product.
