What causes plateaus when dieting?

[twinphish]

Is it a myth or not that when you diet, your body slows down weight loss (fat loss) in order to preserve itself?

I think its pretty common for people to lose weight faster in the beginning of dieting or am i wrong?

Does anyone know what causes plateaus and how to get over them and kick start the weight loss again?

 

[Sassy69]

Here's the "non-technical" person's view -- your body gets "comfortable" when it gets used to a particular eating pattern -- in the same way that it gets accustomed to a particular training regimen or cardio. When you hit a plateau, its time change what you are doing - sort of shock your system -- an example is when people follow a low carb diet for ever and can't understand why they arent' losing weight. Then toss in some more carbs and all of a sudden they are losing weight again, have more energy and off of MORE food than LESS.

People tend to lose more weight at the beginning of a diet because the body is responding to a big change in its situation, whereas after being on the diet for a while, it will adapt. That's why instead of sticking to the same diet, you need to constantly tweak it to get more efficient results as the body gets conditioned to the current demands.

The cool thing about the body is that it will adapt to most any situation you present it with, or at least try to. But when it gets adapted and you aren't at your goal yet, time to challenge it again to get it to readapt until you hit your goal. At that point, you want to maintain, but you'd probably still need to change up every now and then so it doesnt' get sluggish.

 

[twinphish]

ahhh ok gotcha

thanks a million!

 

[Gladiola]

Is it a myth or not that when you diet, your body slows down weight loss (fat loss) in order to preserve itself?

Agree with Sassy. Just wanted to say - the above is true, not a myth.

BUT... it's only true if your calories are TOO LOW.... i.e. you go so low your body goes into "survival mode". If calories aren't that low, then this is not true.

Survival Mode... since muscle burns more calories than fat at rest and while working, if calories are restricted (your body thinks you're now on a desert island or enduring famine or something) it will hoard the fat (which is really just STORED ENERGY) and burn the muscle away (so you won't need so many calories to survive & thus can continue to LIVE on restricted calories).

 

[wilson6]

Conversion of T4 to T3 is decreased and adrenergic drive is decreased. This all equals a lower metabolic rate. This is why low doses of T3 and ECA seem to help with dieting. It counters the body's attempt to slow fat loss. In addition, many time lean muscle is lost as well, further decreasing metabolic rate. The lower the bodyfat drops, the more resistant further fat loss becomes. May be a signal from fat (i.e., leptin) to the brain.

This is the primary reason why low calorie diets by themselves fail. One must include heavy resistance training, some cardio, physical activity and proper diet (not too extreme). ECA as an adjunct. T3 as a last resort, but by no means a first choice and very carefully. Fat loss should be slow and consistent for best results.

W6

 

[FitFossil]

Something else...

A lot of the weight lost when one first starts dieting can be water. Even so, it is extremely important for dieters to drink LOTS of water. This prevents water retention and aids in the fat-burning process. It is the primary job of the liver to metabolize fat. However, when the body isn't getting enough water, the kidneys can't function as well to remove waste, so the liver has to help the kidneys. This takes the liver away from its job of fat burning.

 

[wlibbe]

Thanks for the interesting topic.

If I usually consume MAYBE 500 calories a day then what can I do to get off the plateau? I think I am on my way down again-just lost another two pounds but do you think if I step up my exercise more that would help? Are you also saying that if I ate MORE that I would lose more weight?

 

[twinphish]

Thanks for the interesting topic.

If I usually consume MAYBE 500 calories a day then what can I do to get off the plateau? I think I am on my way down again-just lost another two pounds but do you think if I step up my exercise more that would help? Are you also saying that if I ate MORE that I would lose more weight?

eeek! what? u only eat 500 calories a day? that can't be right..??

 

[wlibbe]

TwinPhish-

It is true-somedays. Most of the time-there is less. I have an eating disorder-yippee for me-but anyway-that is why that number of calories seems so weird. I have lost 47 pounds and have another 30 to go so I need a kick start!!!

 

[twinphish]

well i am new to all of this myself .... anyone want to field that one?

i think its just what others stated above.. u deprive your body of calories day in and day out, its going to adapt and make you preserve weight..

i'd think you need to change your diet.. add more calories.. ur body isn't going to burn any more fat cuz its trying to protect u

 

[thin]

Yes. Even if your goal is to be very thin you should never eat less than:

11*your weight - 500

11 times your weight is a *low* estimate of BMR or Base Metobolic Rate, most people at this forum will have MUCH higher BMR due to all of the muscle they have.

500 calories is about as much as you can 'skip' in a day without your body catching on and going in to a "famine panic"

not to all you big chicks... this can happen even if you are eating what seems like a normal diet.

Let's say you are 160 lbs and rather muscular-- also you lift for an hour most days.

so we find the BMR (12 since the high muscle mass):
160*12 = 1920

then add in 300 cal for the lifting:

2220

the LEAST this person should eat on a diet is 1720 a day, anything less will result in a slower metabolism.

(correct me if any of this is wrong....)

-Susan

 

[wlibbe]

Susan-

Are you serious?

 

[KEL]

very good susan

wlibbe I'm afraid you're in survival mode-- you will hang on to every ounce of fat in your body while you lose water and muscle tissue.

You might try to up your calories by adding in lean protein.

 

[wlibbe]

Kel-

What would you suggest? Fishes and chicken?

 

[rez]

then add in 300 cal for the lifting:

2220

the LEAST this person should eat on a diet is 1720 a day, anything less will result in a slower metabolism.

(correct me if any of this is wrong....)

-Susan [/B][/QUOTE]

where does the 300cal come from?

 

[KEL]

fish, chicken, turkey, egg whites and even low/no carb shakes.... you get the picture many choices just takes a little to get the metabolism moving!


rez- I'm guessing that is a basic estimate of how many calories are burned in a session of weight-lifting.

 

[thin]

If you weigh 160 and lift for and hour (and arn't too lazy about it) you should burn about 300 no?

I burn 400 cal in an hour running ... so I just thought lifting would be a little less...

 

[thin]

Susan-

Are you serious?

This is the same info I post on the thin page all the time. lol!

for me:

92lbs * 11 = 1012
plus running & lifting: 1412

- 500

912 cal

this is why I eat so "much" I try to make 900 or 1000 most days

-S

 

[Taps]

Damn, you girls are smart. I've been wondering about that diet/plateau thing for a while now....

I need to visit the womens board more often.

 

[mini_mouse]

I always feel like my body is betraying me because it never seems to follow all these rules for energy expenditure and basal metabolic rates.

I was doing a 200cal/day diet last week and so, obviously, I lost a few lbs on that. But then I had one day where I consumed 1000 cals - still a low enough amount, allegedly, for me to lose weight - and blimped up 2lbs!! So I tried to rationalise and trust that the gain was just some water level fluctuation shit. I then decided to try upping my cals because of the reasons ppl have stated above. I have been eating 600-800cals/day for the last 5 days and yet, STILL, the weight hasn't shifted . It's making me feel like I'm going to have to stick to the fucking awful 200cal/day thing forever. What can I be doing wrong? My next plan is to try some light lifting in the hopes that it might help my metabolism speed up a little. But, then again, I am not too convinced that will help seeing as I already have a body lean status of 91.1% and so should be burning cals pretty efficiently already .

My bodystat worked out my BMR to be 1457 cals/day (expenditure of 14cals/lb) so, if I'm to follow susan's rule of thumb, that means I shouldn't cut back to less than 957 cals ... but I GAIN WEIGHT on that!!! So what's the deal?

 

[mini_mouse]

susan, I just calculated my bmr using your equation rather than using the bmr I was given in my bodystat (screw that stupid bodystat, I don't trust any of the shit it said anyway) and that gives slightly more believable results for me too:

104lb x 11 = 1144 cals (bmr)

- 500 = 644 cals (for weightloss)

That would explain why I'm not losing on 600-800 then

 

[thin]

You should still lose at 800! That's a daily deficit of 200 calories or so or 1400 a week. (1/3 of a lb or so)

The BMR thing I gave dose not count exercise (including just doing office work which can be about 300 cal for a day)

That BMR number is for if you just stayed in bed all day long.

My guess is that you have not stuck with a higher cal program for long enough. I did 500 a day for many moth and when I came off Things were pretty screwy-- but after two to three weeks of eating more it got better.

Also (since I know you from TP) you BMI is really f*king low (14 right?) and when you are that tiny (and lean) it takes a loooooooong time to see change since your body is NOT happy about getting any leaner or thinner.

I'm hanging out here cus' I wanted some tips to get more muscle definition...

What is your goal? From your stats I'd think you'd just be trying to stay where you are?

-S

 

[rez]

all those cals are soooooo low!
why dont u guys rather concentrate on the grams of pro, carbs and fat your taking in..as long as your eating clean, u'll drop bf%

 

[KEL]

Since you've hit a plateau maybe it's time to “shock your system” - change up your diet.
Why not try carb rotation. Many of the ladies are doing this with great success.
It may take 3+ weeks to see a difference in your appearance. Be patient.

Now if I could bump your calories up to at least 1200 a day we'd really be in business! Maybe another day.


go read this thread it explains the carb cycling thing
http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=108917

 

[mini_mouse]

You should still lose at 800! That's a daily deficit of 200 calories or so or 1400 a week. (1/3 of a lb or so)

Hmm, yeah. I guess I haven't stuck with this intake for long enough. I wouldn't notice a 1/3lb drop on my scale anyway. I'm so impatient though! I had 100lbs as my goal for Feb 14th and now I realise that's gonna just be wishful thinking.

The BMR thing I gave does not count exercise (including just doing office work which can be about 300 cal for a day)

That BMR number is for if you just stayed in bed all day long.

Hehe, well I kid you not, I do just stay in bed all day long! It's driving my parents mad cos I'm either in bed or online all day ... so unless I burn shit loads with typing I'm not going to be expending energy through much other than my BMR. I keep planning to start up my power walking again (I used to do 10-20miles/day) but I keep putting it off cos it's so cold outside

Also (since I know you from TP) you BMI is really f*king low (14 right?) and when you are that tiny (and lean) it takes a loooooooong time to see change since your body is NOT happy about getting any leaner or thinner.

BMI of 14?! LOL, if only No, it's 16.3 at the moment. My fat % is meant to be low (although I have just read that the electric impedence testing - which is what I had done - isn't as accurate as I thought) so maybe that's got something to do with it. I'm not sure.

I'm hanging out here cus' I wanted some tips to get more muscle definition...
What is your goal? From your stats I'd think you'd just be trying to stay where you are?

I still have 84 as as my goal, but I'm trying to be less impulsive and take it slower . As for why I'm here: I want to educate myself better on how to start a light lifting regime, and I'm also always looking for more info on nutrition and diet aids. I definitely want more muscle definition too, but I want the no. on the scale to drop a bit more at the same time. So I guess I'm looking to maintain my lean mass while I lose. I want to work on my arms and stomach in particular. They're the 'leanest' part of me so I'm less concerned about them bulking than I am, say, my legs (which are the death of me ). I want to get rid of the icky bit at the top of my inner thighs too - still trying to figure out the best way to zap that!. Since coming here I've decided to buy some weights and am also considering joining the gym again for access to the weight machines and a consultant trainer.

Oh, hey, I bought one of your 'fa(s)t' hooded sweatshirts (and the :fightclub: mousemat and mug!) so when it arrives I can lift my pink fluffy dumbell in style

- mini

 

[mini_mouse]

carb rotation? I don't know much about how you do that. Is it possible to do it in terms of protein:carb:fat ratios rather than in terms of no. of grams? I'll go read up a bit about it on the search. I have actually found that I tend to lose the most weight when I cut out carbs completely. But I seem to swing between eating NO carbs and eating JUST carbs on an almost weekly basis. It seems like this week is one of the all-carb crap weeks . According to Fitday.com, today intake was 18% protein, 57% carb and (argh!) 25% fat. That's bad, right?

 

[thin]

When you eat that litte it matter much less how much comes from carbs...

But I'd like to know about this carb rotation stuff too.

BTW a BMI in the 16s is low IMHO

I'm f*ckn' 17.5



I've got the inner leg fat thing too-- the only thing I can think to do is keep trying to get my bf% down ... I mean spot work has no effect. right?

Also I'm thinking of building up my arms and back just a little so I can use the muscle to burn more fat.

-S

 

[mini_mouse]

kel, thanks for the link - spatterson's explanation of ratios and carb cycling were really helpful. I think I might try 45:45:10 and try it incorporated in my present cal allowance. If I have 800 cals then that would be made up of 90g P, 90 C, and 9g F - easy round numbers to remember! Takes a bit more advanced planning than just counting cals though - how do you guys go out for meals when you have to count grams so closely?

 

[Sassy69]

I still have 84 as as my goal, but I'm trying to be less impulsive and take it slower

OMG -- am I reading this right?? MM -- your goal is 84 lbs???? And you are 5'6"???

So I guess I'm looking to maintain my lean mass while I lose.

You want to continue to lose weight while maintaining lean body mass?? G/f - you have nothing left to lose EXCEPT lean body mass.

Do you have any interest in building some good quality lean muscle? I"m trying to find some sort of positive result out this discussion but its really hard.... If you eat some more calories and continue your plans to lift you can turn the skinny fat to lean.

There are many healthy, productive ways to manipulate your body -- oh well.

 

[thin]

okay, how do you get rid of inner leg fat-- I'm sick of my legs touching.

 

[KEL]

mini check your pm.

 

[KEL]

susan read this, think about it, read it again, print it out...the answers are there
http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=105165

oh- you can't spot reduce!

 

[Bikini Mod]

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!

HELLO!!!!! MCFLY!!!! IS ANYBODY IN THERE?!?!?

Please forgive my outburst, BUT WHAT THE FUCK IS UP?!

Where are the other board members?!

I am sooooo sorry, please forgive me ladies... please.

I am FULL AWARE that NO ONE CAN HELP THEMSELVES UNLESS THEY WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES.... BUT JESUS H CHRIST!..

EIGHTY-FOUR FUCKING POUNDS?!?!?!!?!?!?! I have a nearly TEN YEAR OLD who practically weighs that and she is SKINNY!

*DEEEEEEEEP BREATH*

Ok, I will break it down for you ladies with the eating disorders... I WANT YOU TO STAY HERE and LEARN. I HOPE TO GOD THAT YOU WILL BE INSPIRED TO UNDO THE FUCKED UP WAY THAT YOU HAVE COME TO VIEW YOURSELVES AND YOUR BODIES.... But you HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WE DO NOT "PLAY" HERE. You can not come here and look for "magic" to get skinny any more than an overweight person can look for THAT SAME MAGIC.

Yea, I know... those of you who are kicking your own asses in the gym trying to tighten this up and pack on some hard-earned mass are like, "Cry me a fucking river..." GUESS WHAT?! IT IS A MIND FUCK FOR THESE PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT FOOD IS NOT EVIL AND THEY ACTUALLY NEED TO GAIN WEIGHT!

Yes, they will have to work probably harder than you because is it NOT about squeezing into that pair of shorts for the class reunion (and truth be told, neither should it be for you!) it is about wasting away to ZERO!... then they will be "happy".....NOT!

Please, I know you guys who are into serious lifting clicked onto this thread and just rolled your eyes up into your heads and shook your heads while clucking your tongues... poor misguided souls!

Ladies... PLEASE READ THE THREAD ABOUT OVERCOMING ED, etc..

Please DO NOT COME HERE LOOKING FOR MAGIC....IT AIN'T HERE!

THE ONLY REAL MAGIC LIES WITHIN!.... GOT IT?!

GOOD!

Rant over

 

[Temple]

Thanks B - I feel so much better now.

Oh and ladies about that thigh touching thing - if you listen to
Bikinimom and numerous other fine ladies on this board you will be so damn hot that your thighs may never have the chance to touch again if you know what I mean!

 

[twinphish]

just to be clear.. i started the thread just to find out about overcoming plateus in general.. not when you have nothing else to lose and u still want to..

anyhow.. if ya'll are still reading.. I am so entirely happy that I found this board. I was borderline eating disorder when I was younger always looking for a quick ways to lose weight..but I've just come to realize that it's not going to happen fast. In fact, I did lose it fast and look where I am now -- gained it all back.

Now I'm carb cycling and eating lots of protein, doing some lifting and some mild cardio and I'm losing weight steadily. It's not going to happen overnight but I'm fine with that because I STILL GET TO EAT!!!!! That has got to be the most pleasant part of it all.. no more starving..I eat an average of 1600-2000 calories a day and I'm still losing fat.

Anyhow, just wanted to thank all of you guys that have given me some really good, healthy advice.

Like it says at the gym: eat smart, not less.

 

[Temple]

Twin - bump it up to the 2000-2500 mark - make sure they are clean and lift hard. The fat loss will stop temporarily as you gain muscle but over the long haul you will end up leaner.

 

[twinphish]

Twin - bump it up to the 2000-2500 mark - make sure they are clean and lift hard. The fat loss will stop temporarily as you gain muscle but over the long haul you will end up leaner.

yeah I'm trying to eat that much its hard!!!

trust me I had absolutely no problem eating before I switched to low-carb.. but I'm finding it hard to eat that much tuna/chicken/etc every day.. so thinking about getting protein powder to up both my protein and my caloric intake..

what do you think?

 

[twinphish]

Thanks B - I feel so much better now.

Oh and ladies about that thigh touching thing - if you listen to
Bikinimom and numerous other fine ladies on this board you will be so damn hot that your thighs may never have the chance to touch again if you know what I mean!

HAHAHA

oh my lord. thanks for the laugh that was just too funny

 

[Bikini Mod]

*HYUGE SIGH OF RELIEF*

Ok, consider yourselves warned if I EVER hear ANYTHING ABOUT 500 CALORIES A DAY AGAIN..... I WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY BEHAVIOR!

ARE WE CLEAR?!

Do NOT skimp on carbs though.... THEY ARE NOT EVIL

FAT IS NOT EVIL

PROTEIN IS NOT MAGIC

WE NEED ALL THREE TO BUILD MASS AND BURN FAT!

EAT BIG AND CLEAN! TRAIN HARD AND YOU WILL BE FINE!

 

[Temple]

Up your carbs and buy the protein powder - it is actually my big treat every day!!!!!!

 

[mini_mouse]

bikinimom, sassy, temple01 ... and those others who may have scanned over my post above ... sorry for side-tracking the topic of this thread and, also, for rambling on about stuff that is so at odds with the purpose of the board. I keep planning to leave my ED thoughts/goals etc. separate from here (I have another forum in which to talk about that stuff anyway) but I find it all too easy to slide into that mindset as soon as food/weight is mentioned . I've got to learn when to bite my tongue! I really don't want to grate on your nerves, and I know that these dialogues of course do (just like they do with my family and friends etc).. so I'll sift out the ED crap before I post and just stick with the other stuff
bikinimom - yes, I did read the post about overcoming ED and I was really encouraged to see that so many of you have made such incredible progress. Sometimes I have wondered whether such a thing as 'full-recovery' could ever really happen, so it's reassuring to know it can. Maybe I'll be able to absorb enough positive attitude here to make my own way sometime too.
temple01 - your comment made me laugh too! ... I'm lookin' forward to the day

- mm

 

[wlibbe]

Susan/Thin-

I meant were you seriously recommending that I eat that many calories in a day? That was all.

To everyone else-thank you for your information about everything. I am really going to try to add more calories in. I just want to get over this plateau and quickly.

Bikini mom-I can understand and appreciate where you are coming from but you have to also realize that 500 calories to me-is ALOT to actually allow my body to digest. Now I do eat-I just throw everything up--well I used to-well it has been about 24 hours since my last purge. I am being forced to stop purging-medical reasons--so I know that I am going to have to eat something and I just want to make sure that I don't gain-even a pound. That is all.

I really value the information that I get here. You ladies know what you are talking about!

Thanks!

 

[smoknjilly]

ayyysh!

200 calories a day..even 500 per day!!

I cannot imagine how bad you must feel doing that...

how do you get through a day of work...much less a workout??

 

[FitFossil]

RE: very low calories

The body reaches a point of decreasing returns when calories are too low. When calories are lowered beyond a certain level, any further reduction in calories will not necessarily produce worthwhile weight loss. This type of diet will result mostly in loss of muscle tissue. This includes ORGAN muscles like your heart.

Fat will be preserved because fat doesn't require calories to sustain it the way muscle does. Our bodies were designed to withstand long periods of famine. When trying to lose fat, you're fighting eons of evolution. Fat burns slowly and can keep your body alive for a long time (and it burns even slower during perceived starvation). The trick is to never let your body think you're starving it, because that's when it goes into fat preserving/muscle dumping mode. (This explains why my thighs still jiggled at 80 lbs, even though I looked like a wire coat-hanger.)

Think of the body like a furnace. When there's fuel (food), the furnace burns hot. That's why several small feedings throughout the day are so important - it keeps your fire stoked and your metabolism up. As a result, you'll have more energy and be more effective in your workouts, which will create/preserve metabolically active muscle tissue.

Why do we keep saying "eat more food to lose fat"? Compare a forest fire to a camp fire. They're both fires, but the difference in what they can burn is exponential. When you're eating sufficiently and working out, your body will more willingly give up fat because it sees it as a hindrance to your activity and knows it can depend on a steady supply of fuel. The aim of a fatloss diet should be to create only a slight calorie deficit so that your body and MIND don't notice. Get that fire stoked!

 

[thin]

when I did it (I don't do it anymore)

I would:

a. eat sugart foods
b. eat 6-8 mini meals
c. just have a fuckin' will of steel

that's how I got by.

 

[Temple]

This is the LAST time I am going to post to one of these starve/puke/but its a disorder threads. If you didn't catch it when I said it before I am a recovered anorexic/bulimic/drug addict just so we are clear. I posted this right at a year ago and searched the archives for the original but can't find it - it was called Starving to Death.

Exactly one year ago I watched a person that I love with all my heart starve to death - not intentionally as you all are doing but due to a medical condition that for many reasons was simply not fixable. It took a long time - weeks from the time things got bad until she died. She was skin and bones lying in the bed and the malnutrition caused a never ending battle with huge bed sores. Then came the leg cramps, you could actually see the knots under the paper thin skin from nutritional imbalance. Then came the vomiting of the bile - nights of non stop vomiting and the anti nausea medicine that they put in her IV didn't work so well. As it got closer to the end her skin began to literally shred and fall apart and the pink water seeped continually out of these wounds and even touching her would cause huge bruises. Her veins began to collapse so it was a never ending quest to find a spot to put the IV in - we could have opted to let her die from dehydration but her doctor felt that it made little difference in the amount of time it would take her to die and was a horrible way to go in his opinion. Next came the fevers. Then one day I went to see her and she looked pretty good - little did I know until the doctor came in that it was because the water retention had started - it is something that occurs when a body is starving to death and breaking down proteins, the body naturally replaces that with fluid. Finally her lungs began to fill with this fluid and she began the drowning process - I can still hear those gurgling, gasping, rattling labored breaths. This part of it went on for a week and don't think that she didn't know what was going on because she was concious but too weak to speak thru all but the last 6 hours.
So you 500 calories is alot for me I can't bear to gain even a pound girls - this is what lies ahead. Please write those you love so that they at least have that when you are gone. Please go to your doctor and take care of the Do Not Resusitate paperwork and get your living will done so that no extreme measures are taken to keep you alive.

 

[Bikini Mod]

This is the LAST time I am going to post to one of these starve/puke/but its a disorder threads. If you didn't catch it when I said it before I am a recovered anorexic/bulimic/drug addict just so we are clear. I posted this right at a year ago and searched the archives for the original but can't find it - it was called Starving to Death.

Exactly one year ago I watched a person that I love with all my heart starve to death - not intentionally as you all are doing but due to a medical condition that for many reasons was simply not fixable. It took a long time - weeks from the time things got bad until she died. She was skin and bones lying in the bed and the malnutrition caused a never ending battle with huge bed sores. Then came the leg cramps, you could actually see the knots under the paper thin skin from nutritional imbalance. Then came the vomiting of the bile - nights of non stop vomiting and the anti nausea medicine that they put in her IV didn't work so well. As it got closer to the end her skin began to literally shred and fall apart and the pink water seeped continually out of these wounds and even touching her would cause huge bruises. Her veins began to collapse so it was a never ending quest to find a spot to put the IV in - we could have opted to let her die from dehydration but her doctor felt that it made little difference in the amount of time it would take her to die and was a horrible way to go in his opinion. Next came the fevers. Then one day I went to see her and she looked pretty good - little did I know until the doctor came in that it was because the water retention had started - it is something that occurs when a body is starving to death and breaking down proteins, the body naturally replaces that with fluid. Finally her lungs began to fill with this fluid and she began the drowning process - I can still hear those gurgling, gasping, rattling labored breaths. This part of it went on for a week and don't think that she didn't know what was going on because she was concious but too weak to speak thru all but the last 6 hours.
So you 500 calories is alot for me I can't bear to gain even a pound girls - this is what lies ahead. Please write those you love so that they at least have that when you are gone. Please go to your doctor and take care of the Do Not Resusitate paperwork and get your living will done so that no extreme measures are taken to keep you alive.

All you girls who DON'T WANT TO GAIN A POUND.....

Print this out and tape copies EVERY PLACE THAT YOU LOOK ONE HUNDRED TIMES PER DAY....

 

[wlibbe]

Temple 01,

Don't you understand? This is not the kind of response that is going to help me or any of us.

Do you think what you said scared me? No.

I am deeply, deeply sorry for your loss-the whole experience sounds horrific and I am sure that you will never forget it as long as you live and I appreciate you sharing it with us.

We all know about the dangers that come with our ED's. If you are recovered then you will probably remember that you did not care either. It is a self-destructive process-at least for me.

Anyway-do you think that taking smokers to a cancer ward to see people with lung cancer and holes in their throats, breathing off respirators would stop them from smoking-----maybe-----if they are not already totally addicted. Sorry if this is a lame analogy but it works the same way I guess.

The first thing anyone says to me when they find out about the bulimia is "Don't you know how bad that is for your teeth, esophagus, digestive system, etc". Of course I know-I am a 24 year old-well educated woman. I know the risks.

All I want is some advice so I can continue to lose weight-EAT-and not throw up 2-4 times a day.

 

[wlibbe]

Also-where is this recovering from an ED thread? Is this the starving post that you were talking about Temple or is this different? Can someone post a link please?

Thanks!

 

[Temple]

http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=109113

 

[Temple]

I forgot something in my earlier post that may make it clear why we are all saying the same thing.
Yes, she was skin and bones when she died but and here is the big but SHE STILL HAD FAT STORES ON HER ABDOMEN, THIGHTS, GLUTES AND TRICEPS - there was no muscle, just paper thin skin over bones and loose jiggly fat in those areas so doing this the way that you are doing it will make you nothing more than a corpse with fat stores.

 

[VooDoo Lady]

That was a gut wrenching account Temple...I'm sorry for your loss.

Thank you for caring enough to share it with those who could really be impacted by it...

VDL

 

[wlibbe]

Temple01-

My ED is not TOTALLY about losing weight-as I am sure that you know from your account with your ED in that thread. My goal is not to be 80 pounds. Anyway-thanks for the link-really, really interesting.

 

[Bikini Mod]

All I want is some advice so I can continue to lose weight-EAT-and not throw up 2-4 times a day.

Forgive me if you posted this before, but could you please tell us your stats ie: height, weight and bf%

I think that part of the problem here lies in miscommunication. You (AS MANY) believe that it is about the number on the scale - unless you are preparing to compete where there are weightclasses

THE NUMBER ON THE SCALE DON'T MEAN JACK SHIT!

It took quite a while for this to sink in for me also, so I am not giving you or anyone else a verbal thrashing....

I am 5'3".. I USED to weigh about 108# soaking wet - size DOUBLE ZERO! I could NOT find clothing to fit in adult clothing stores. (I don't know what my bf percentage but it was fairly low... perhaps 18% or so).

A little over a year ago I was about 117# at about 14/15%bf.... size 3.

Over the summer I was 124# at about 12-14%BF... size 2

I am by no means HYGUE as I currently have ZERO desire to get that way. Will I some day in the future? Who knows. But I will cross that bridge when I come to it. I am presently satisfied to train hard, eat well and just "BE".

Is this making any sense to you?

 

[thin]

I've learned to listen to the scale less. I pay more attention to how much muscle I can see and how loose my clothes are, how many bones I can see. (and how fast I can run!)

I wanna get some better "peaks" on my arms. See, I DO listen to you guys some of the time.

As far as the original question in this post:

You need to mix it up to get past a plateau. If you do running for your cardio, switch to rowing for a week. Change the type of lifts you do (go from high reps to low, or low to high, maybe) Change what you eat... This will force your body to start changing too-- and you'll get past the plateau.

Also, as you get closer to your goal (whatever it may be) change will happen more slowly. That's just how it works.

-Susan

 

[wlibbe]

Bikinimom-

I was a size 18-20---AAGGHH~ writing that down is so terrifying!! So anyway now I am a 12--almost a 10-I can squeeze into it but it is not comfortable and my big old booty sticks out. My goal is to be a size 8.

Basically I have lost 47 pounds by not eating breakfast or lunch and usually eating one meal at night that I would purge. Sometimes I do eat lunch but I would purge that too. The weekends are worse-usually 5-6 times a day of purging. That is all just on average--there have only been maybe 6-8 days in the past 5 months that I have not purged at least once.

So I started out at 229 pounds and now I am at 182 pounds. I really, really want to get to 150. I think that would be perfect for my build and I would be satisfied at that weight and clothing size. Here is a link to my newest pictures-before and "after"-sort of-there are not really any body pictures. I am still not comfortable with that-but you can tell in my face I think. Let me know what you think and I know I am still a big fat ass-I guess that I am not your typical ED looking person but anyway...

http://photos.yahoo.com/wlibbe

Edited to include height: about 5'8"

 

[wlibbe]

I also have a personal trainer that I work out with 3-4 days a week. He knows about the bulimia. So it is not too strenuous of a workout but last night I walked/ran my ass off on the treadmill for 45 minutes and then did some weight training. It is amazing that my body can handle all that. I ate nothing Monday, nothing Tuesday until Tuesday night and I purged that. And I ate lunch yesterday but I purged that. And I was still able to workout--weird!

 

[twinphish]

wlibbe -- i know where you are coming from because I am starting out as a size 18.. started at 220 pounds..

Been eating 2000 calories a day for just about a month and a half, doing weight training and cardio for 30-45 minutes 4 times a week -- nothing killer... I've been drinking gallons of water a day..

and I've lost 10 pounds. 10 pounds of fat! I drink enough water that it can't be that.. and I know that I am preserving muscle because I eat tons of protein, may have gained a pound or two of muscle even.

In the past I'd think only 10 pounds!! Not anymore though.. I am proud to have lost that much and even more grateful that I didn't have to suffer in order to do it.. I <3 eating..

I dunno.. just wanted to say that what these ladies preach really does work.

 

[wlibbe]

Thanks TwinPhish-

I am trying. I ate a grilled chicken salad today with 2 saltine crackers and a tiny bit of dressing and I feel really good. I am terrifed that I am going to gain weight from this but my throat/esophagus has made it IMPOSSIBLE for me to purge. I will just work out extra hard at the gym tonight. Maybe this is what I needed to quit--who knows-but thank you for posting this topic and for being so understanding! Hopefully Bikini Mom can offer me some helpful advice. I just don't want to gain weight-that is all.

 

[Temple]

Wlibbe -
Ultimately your binge/purge/starve thing is working against you although it appears in the short term to be doing what you want.
11 Years after I stopped the ED crap I was up to around 200# - fat and happy. I took it off without doing what you are doing and the amazing thing is that I sat on my ass for 6 months and ate whatever the hell I wanted to and gained a whopping 3# that came off immediately after I started eating right and training again. The bottom line is that you can continue to live like this until the ED is so out of control that you die, or if you are lucky just spend the rest of your life puking or you can listen to the ladies here and REALLY take control of your body. Face it - you are dropping pounds, at least half of which is muscle and you are going to keep the fat with your current plan. You aren't currently in control because every one of you is telling us that your body is not doing what you want it to. And we are screaming as loudly as we can for you to take control by eating (2000 calories per day minimum), training smarter not harder and by doing so you will get the results that you want unless of course that is to weigh 60# in which case we are not into assisted suicide so we are not going to help you.

Bottom line is that you have abused your body to lose some weight and if you want to get REAL control you are going to have to pay the piper. What that means is that you are going to go thru a month or so of packing on some weight - most of it will be water until your metabolism figures out that it is going to be fed and begins to work again.

Bikinimom - can ya give a picture show I can show these ladies what in the hell I am talking about specifically?

 

[wlibbe]

Temple-

Damn-your tone sounds so angry--am I wrong?

If you read my post you would have seen that my goal is 150 pounds--not 60. So you are yelling at the wrong person.

I am willing to do what I need to do to not gain weight and be healthy but I can't just start eating 2,000 calories a day when I have not been doing that for 5 months. Do you have any idea what that would do to my digestive system? Holy shit!!!

Also I know that I have to quit throwing up. That is why I am seeking ya'lls advice. My esophgus is so fucked that anytime I strain my voice by yelling, laughing, or talking fast--my throat burns so badly and I can't breathe/talk--it only lasts a couple of seconds but it hurts like a mother-fucker. I am not stupid. I don't want to die from a gastric rupture. All I am asking for is some advice.

I will not allow myself to gain weight-that can't happen-plain and simple. If I can't purge than I will just restrict heavily but I am trying to find a healthy way to do it. So as far as "packing on the pounds"--that is NOT an option.

Why are you so angry and frustrated--you went through this--you should understand.

?????

 

[KBgrl]

I would first like to say I AM SOOOOO PROUD OF YOU SUSAN ("thin") and I am seriously enjoying the things the things you have been posting lately! Very cool !!! luv to have you here!!!

MM and other girls from the thin forum... you guys have to be aware that you are on a body building board and not everyone has kept up with all the thin forum threads so when you throw in that your goal is 84lbs..or whatever it may be you WILL not get the response you are looking for. If you are just trying to look for advice on how to workout ,eat healthy , and overcome ED etc.. this is the place to be and you will find great info on how to do so but if your goals are to lose MORE weight on the scale while you are already underweight the advice you get here will not be what you are looking for. It will not take you from 100lbs to 85. You may want to consider avoiding the "I eat 200 calories a day" and stuff like that in future posts because it results in long ass ED threads again with people posting back and forth trying to convince one another about WHATEVER... its really not productive and turns into a ....well a mess.

Wlibbe....I like VERY much what we chatted about privately and I love to see you here. You are all encouraged to post and ask as many questions as you want but tryyyyyy to remember where you are posting and that not everyone will know "where you are coming from." with that said I would like to now throw ya some big ass warm cyber **HUGS**

MM -- You better get in contact with me soon missy!!!

 

[wlibbe]

Thanks KB! And I did what you suggested in your PM. Thanks so much!

 

[KBgrl]

You are welcome sweetheart!

one more thing ...and Im sorry susan but it's how I feel


Those of you who want to seriously recover should get your little asses over to the fishy forum or something like that. Hang around here...etc. you just need to be around positive things and not be "triggered." A drug addict can't be around drugs or people who do them right? ummm RIGHT!!!!!!

Just something to think about. This also DOES NOT MEAN you can't be friends with the people you have corresponded with who still have ED. It simply means you need to stay focused and take actions that get you coser to your goals not away from them.

and to those of you have "written off" "friends" because they are trying to recover and you arent or dont want to yet.... well thats just not very nice of ya you should rethink that a lil... IMO anyway....

 

[FitFossil]

It takes time to retrain your metabolism and your stomach. Increase your calories gradually and break them out into small enough feedings that your stomach can handle them.

Eating one meal a day, even if it is just 500 calories, will not keep your furnace (metabolism) stoked. A large part of those 500 calories will be stored as fat, because going all day w/o eating lets your furnace burn out and go cold.

Every time your furnace goes cold, it signals your body it's in starvation mode. One meal a day is like throwing a giant wet log on a single burning match. The fire's too little to burn it all, so most gets saved as fat. Even when purging, not every calorie comes back up.

You may feel bloated at first, but once your body gets the idea it's not going back into starvation mode it will start working with you rather than against you. After awhile, you will start feeling better, and you'll have more energy. This is a sign your metabolism is coming back up. You'll also be more effective in your workouts. As this happens you'll need continue to increasing the calories so your furnace stays hot and can burn the fat.

 

[Sassy69]

Interesting how the one thing that brings out the most passion on this board is the discussion of being too thin.

And I *BET* when each of us started out, was that annoying "fat between the thighs", etc. that even thin (susan) is talking about. First, women are "blessed" with this fat by the almighty grace of estrogen - so to a degree, we just gotta deal w/ it because its part of the whole ability to execute that miracle called reproduction. So anyway, we all started out wanting to get rid of these spots where we preferentially carry extra fat. Problem is that first, you can't lose in only certain places -- its all relative -- you just have more fat cells in those places, so you gotta whittle down your over all bodyfat to get those spots to go down.

Then we finally figure out the secret -- its not ONLY the reduction of fat. The structure of our bodies (excluding organs) is bone, fat & muscle. Well, you need the bones. Can't change those. The fat we don't want, and the muscle gets forgotten because no woman wants get "big" ... right? WRONG. It takes a balance of losing the nonessential fat and building the muscle. Muscle doesn't have to be the bulging Ms. O but *some* is better than none. And as Temple stated, you can't continue to drop fat because you *NEED* some of it or forget about how you feel about yourself, your organs need it so you can continue to be here to worry about how you look or feel.

OK.. blah -- late in the day & i'm low carbing.... the point is that you can achieve a productive goal by turning around the method to get "thin" -- you prob won't lose that fat between your thighs, but you can tighten it up ALOT by building the muscle around it. Different method, better result.

....trying to find a diff way to approach the idea.


BTW -- good post KB!

BBTW -- wlibbe -- you a cute girl hun! Killer smile!

 

[wlibbe]

KBGrl-I totally understand what you are saying about not hanging around a place that is not going to help you. But actually I find that being there does help me just as being here is starting to help me too! I HATE Something Fishy with all their damn crazy rules! I think that place is run by ED Nazis!!!

Fit Fossil-thank you so much for posting all that informative advice-i really appreciate it!

Sassy-Thanks for the compliment and I am definitely going to try varying my routine a little bit-hopefully that will help!

BTW-it is SOOOOO nice to be chatting with ya'll and not bashing each other like on our last thread together! And I really appreciate ya'll giving me a chance and listening to me--it means a lot--especially since I was such a nasty bitch the first time around!

 

[Temple]

Wlibbe - sorry if I sounded angry to you, frustrated maybe, angry - no. Reread what I said in my earlier post but read it with the tone being much softer. I can only approach this from my own experience and warm fuzzies and coddling me did no good. When my child was caught playing with fire - I was not a warm and fuzzy kind of mom. Sometimes you have to talk hard cold facts and I believe that this is one of those times.

Do I want you to get up tomorrow and eat 2000 calories - no
like you said holy shit - and that would be literally.

Your metabolism is a smart thing and it will not allow you to starve it. It will go to war with you first. When you eat less than 1800-2000 calories a day you will lose weight for awhile and then your body says STOP. It begins to hang onto its fat stores for dear life
Add cardio and it will also work for awhile but your body will also adjust to that and make the necessary metabolic adjustments.
You can lift weights but you will not gain lean mass on inadequate calories. It is like being a hampster on one of those wheel thingies.
I hit a huge plateau when I lost down from the 200# mark and the reason was TOO MUCH CARDIO AND INADEQUATE CALORIES. I had to pay the piper, I ranted and railed and carried on - just knew there had to be some way other than the one Lobo and IG were telling me which is what I am telling you. Finally I resigned myself to the fact that they knew what they were talking about and I was just going to have to walk into the gates of hell (that is literally how I viewed it) and gain a few pounds in the short term to get rid of alot of fat in the long term. It wasn't a pleasant two months but it went quickly, I was focused and the weight came off much faster than it went on.
You are trying to put the puzzle together with only part of the peices - it simply can't be done.

If I believed for one second that women with ED did not have the power and the strength and the courage to change it then I would be far more understanding and would sugar coat my responses. You are smart, strong, capable women that can pull yourselves out of these holes anytime that you want to and what you do to yourselves is complete and utter bullshit and I don't mean physically I mean emotionally. Its not easy and I will never tell you otherwise. This ain't no dress rehearsal, you have one shot to be here and only you decide on what terms you do it.

 

[wlibbe]

Temple-okay-thanks honey! I know what you mean and maybe I needed to hear it. What you said about finally accepting what people are telling you to do might take me a while-keep in mind that I only decided LAST NIGHT that I could not purge anymore. So I am still trying to get used to all these new ways of thinking. The utter emotional bullshit you are talking about is so right but I can't seem to get my mind out of that idea that fat=ugly. I am trying to feel worthy and deserving of food and getting healthy. I am only in the beginning of all of this and hopefully one day I will be able to offer the same kind of advice you are to someone who is going through all of this. I want to be alive-I do. This is precisely why I made the decision to stop purging. Thanks again!

 

[sheez_ripped]

Wlibbe...

I hear where you're coming from....and let me offer my experience...now i have never had an eating disorder....but was in so-so shape a couple yrs ago....then lost thyroid function due to goiters....well at your height....actually a little taller....5'-9"...i went from 140 lbs to 180....in a summer....doctor thought i didn't need replacement hormone....talk about frustrating....

anyway...finally got the right meds...and lost some of the weight...but still really not tight like i have always wanted to be...had lifted weights some...but was a cardio queen....and alternated starving myself...with eating like crap....

then before my high school reunion in 2000...i finally got on a program and stuck with it....but food still not very clean....and i put on some muscle...and could wear 10/12s.....at 170 or so...

but then i found this board and a great trainer...along the lines of W6....cause I wanted to have a fabulous bod for once....to wear a bikini and not cringe at any flab....

and ya know...that was only 3 months ago that i started working out with him....and DIET was the key..i had been overlooking....as well as too much cardio...i starved myself and did tons of cardio...and never lost weight or only a few lbs....NOW....i eat 2000 cals a day in 5-6 small meals...and have dropped 21 lbs fat! and 10% body fat.....and no cellulite at 40 yrs old...for the first time in my life....and have a 6 pack! i am constantly amazed when i look in the mirror....i really don't know what size i am now...but I can wear anything skin tight and have NO rolls or bulges that I don't like!....but the SCALE hasn't changed!!! still 170.....or 173 to be exact....but the fat keeps melting away! my husband says it's like sleeping with a new woman! and he's buying me all kinds of bikinis and slutty clothes! lol!

so....bottom line...do try to slowly increase your intake of food....and follow a program like W6's...u don't have to strive to be a big bodybuilder type....though i like it personnally....but the same program will get ya in a SIZE 8! I promise!!!

 

[thin]

Temple01 wrote:
When you eat less than 1800-2000 calories a day you will lose weight for awhile and then your body says STOP. It begins to hang onto its fat stores for dear life
Add cardio and it will also work for awhile but your body will also adjust to that and make the necessary metabolic adjustments.
You can lift weights but you will not gain lean mass on inadequate calories.

okay, I assume that those numbers are for someone who is maybe 120 lbs at least? If you are under 100 lbs your BMR is (in most cases) only 1400 or so. I HAVE to eat about 1000ish cal a day to lose.

I've been doing this for 7 years, I'm an expert.

If you lift you can gain lean muscle mass-- I've lost fat because I lift but do not eat much, the body burns the fat to build the muscle.

Cardio will work no matter what, you just have to switch the kind and increase the intensity: so if you run, just run faster.

You can get plenty strong on a meger but balenced diet.

What % of your body weight can you people bench?

 

[mini_mouse]

ayyysh!

200 calories a day..even 500 per day!!

I cannot imagine how bad you must feel doing that...

how do you get through a day of work...much less a workout??

It's true that, after a week or so, I feel pretty shitty when restricting heavily. The headaches and nausea usually come on the 6/7th day but they pass after about 48hrs. The lethargy, dizziness and general feeling of 'flatness' sticks though. The thing that keeps me stuck in the bind, however, is the fact that I would feel *emotionally* far worse were I to boost my intake than I could ever feel *physically* from keeping it restricted. I'd rather feel a little physically uncomfortable than experience total panic, depression and despair. When someone drops their cals really low their emotions become blunted. Starvation is like a tranqualiser: it anesthetises you of all feeling, good as well as bad.

However, I'm not saying that it's in my best interests to restrict, even if it does relieve me of various ill feeling. You ask how we get through a day of work ... well, ashamedly, I had to drop out of school just before xmas because I wasn't able to get through a day of work . I've had to come crawling back home, back to curfews and parental dependence. This wasn't exactly my plan! I *am* going to start school again, in September, it's just going to have to be a school that's nearer home so that I can commute each day. Some people say that they can hold down a job and go about their daily business while subsisting on 200/300/400/500cals, but I certainly can't. I have since increased my calories though and I am planning on cleaning up my diet a little bit too. A lovely chick called KEL is helping me spring-clean actually 6 meals a day instead of 2; more cals; more protein; less simple carbs; p:c:f ratio of about 40:40:20 ... I'm going to give myself a chance.

(and next week? the pink fluffy dumbells and geri halliwell videos are coming out! muhaha! )

 

[Temple]

originally posted by Thin:
I've been doing this for 7 years, I'm an expert.

If you lift you can gain lean muscle mass-- I've lost fat because I lift but do not eat much, the body burns the fat to build the muscle.

Cardio will work no matter what, you just have to switch the kind and increase the intensity: so if you run, just run faster.

You can get plenty strong on a meger but balenced diet.



Please site the study that says that anabolism is possible in a calorie restricted diet. Also it is my understanding that the only substance that can create muscle is protein - would be very interested to see the one that says fat can be converted to muscle.

 

[thin]

Okay so maybe it was the protien I was eating...



I dunno the number 1800 freaks me out.

I've had 8% bf before and I was quite strong... maybe my running burned the fat...

 

[KBgrl]

Since we're getting all warm and fuzzy, KB, the Project and I were saying just last night that lately you've posted some quality stuff that's easy to read (not abbreviated words and emoticons... ). When you find a subject you are passionate about, you really shine. I'm glad you have the patience for this topic.

LOL. Thank you spatts! I am actually trying to better myself with regards to this. I got so used to typing like an internet fool I found it difficult to write my papers for school . I need to start typing on the boards properly. You will still see my famous KBgrl abbreviations and "stuff" but I'm getting better baby!!! thanks for noticing! You are very observant my dear!

Wlibbe... keep reading and educating yourself! Be strong and stay POSITIVE!

MM.. You little nut... I just hit ya back with a PM.

Thinnn.. you are going DOWN my friend!! ok... maybe I'll be the one dead on the floor after 30min..

 

[Bikini Mod]

I've had 8% bf before and I was quite strong... maybe my running burned the fat...

Thin, what is your definition of "quite strong"? I realize that you don't want to be a power lifter, but tell me that you got through the day without a single nap or without taking some sort of ephedrine or other some such stimulant.

I was 8%bf once (bbing show) and I could barely take care of my kids for that last week before the show... Yes, I was pretty much napping A LOT.. and this was NOT while I was starving, just seriously limiting my carbs.

Wlibbe - May I just tell you how stunningly beautiful you are?! I mean that sincerely. Please hang around and LISTEN and DO. It will be REALLY SCARY at first. I KNOW. But just visualize that food that you just ate as feeding your growing muscles. Tell yourself that it is OK that your stomach is full and it FEELS GOOD!

Follow ANY of the diets posted by the fine and knowledgeable ladies and TRAIN HARD with the weights... DON'T GET ON THE FUCKING SCALE! Make your body strong and make your soul stronger!.....

Take before pics instead.... TRUST ME ON THIS ONE!

I am just worn out today... Had a lot of my energy drained lately, but it was for a good cause.

My ex and I are in the final throws of our divorce and it seems that all of my "work" has done some good.... I think we may just get through this thing OK.

Thanx Temple *wink*

 

[Temple]

B - winkin' back at ya babe

 

[Temple]

Wlibbe
I missed your pics until Bmom said something. As you can tell from my previous posts brutal honesty is my strong suit. So I am going to give it to you straight
Can I have your face?????
Not that I'm unhappy with mine but I think I like yours better.
And I understand that you have height to go with it?
Baby you can change your body to be anything you want it to be if you know what you are doing.
What the mind can conceive and believe it can achieve - Napolean Hill I believe. I am big on visualization - just ask Bmom.
I want you when you go to bed tonight to visualize yourself the way that you want to look in your wildest dreams and I want you to visualize the looks on your coworkers and sisters faces when you look that way. It may take some time to get this down but once you have it your conscious mind will take over and start taking the steps to get you there.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Wlibbe
I am big on visualization - just ask Bmom.
I want you when you go to bed tonight to visualize yourself the way that you want to look in your wildest dreams and I want you to visualize the looks on your coworkers and sisters faces when you look that way. It may take some time to get this down but once you have it your conscious mind will take over and start taking the steps to get you there.

Listen to Temple.... this is some very hocus-pocus scary shit!

Guess what?...

IT IS MAGIC.....AND IT DOES WORK!

If I don't watch myself, I may have to change my handle to "bikiniwitch" heheheheheee

 

[Temple]

Spats - you are the perfect candidate to test the seeing your body as you want it to be theory - you have incredible tenacity. I am currently working with this for myself. I am sure that it has been done before but haven't been able to find anything on it.

 

[wlibbe]

BikiniMom, Temple, Sheez Ripped, KBgrl----

I can't even express to ya'll what you have done for me. I swear-I am in a totally different mindset than I have been in several months. My husband is so happy--I have not binged/purged for the past two nights and he thinks it is an absolute miracle!

You all are so wonderful and say the nicest things! I am really starting to believe that I can do this-that I do deserve to be healthy!

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

 

[Temple]

tis in you I see more than a glimmer of hope. Please watch the thread Bikinimom as she will be posting some motivational pics.

 

[Bikini Mod]

YOU GO!!!!

Yes... I'll post the pics as soon as my @!@!@**&^!! computer decides to STOP acting like a man and work WHEN I want it to! tee-hee

 

[wyst]

Hey bikinimom, this is a little OT, but what is that pic in your icon?

Wyst

 

[wyst]

When I was still sprinting, leg 3 was having trouble handing off to me for the anchor and it was taking valuable time off our 4 x 100. So she and I used visualization techniques to perFECT our hand-offs for state. It worked SO well. No pause whatsoever.

We decided to do this after reading about an experiment in which two basketball players were trying to improve their free throw percentages. One player practiced for an hour a day, and the other visualized making his free throws for an hour a day. The one who visualized making his free throws had a greater increase in free throw percentage.

This also works for me when lifting. Sometimes when I feel like I can't do another, I see myself doing it, and then I do it.

Actually spatts, after seeing those hunky shoulder pics of yours (meeeooow!) I have started to visual *you* doing my heavier lifts when I'm work out, lol. Seems to work pretty well, strangely.

Wyst

 

[Bikini Mod]

That is Ranger and Bouncer... tee-hee

 

[mini_mouse]

visualization techniques really do work I was into competitive karate (shotokan) for years and my coach always instructed me to visualize a point beyond (i.e. behind) my target so that, when I made contact, I was aiming through it rather than simply at it. The same goes for all obstacles - look beyond the problem if you want to get beyond it.

 

[KBgrl]

BikiniMom, Temple, Sheez Ripped, KBgrl----

I can't even express to ya'll what you have done for me. I swear-I am in a totally different mindset than I have been in several months. My husband is so happy--I have not binged/purged for the past two nights and he thinks it is an absolute miracle!

You all are so wonderful and say the nicest things! I am really starting to believe that I can do this-that I do deserve to be healthy!

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

CONGRATS!!! We KNEW you could do it!!! two days is a big deal girl!!! Keep going...Ever day gets a bit easier baby!!! Just keep positive, happy and healthy!! Stay around supportive people and you will kick this thing right in the ASS!

 

[wlibbe]

Thanks honey! You have always been here for me and I appreciate it!!

 

[KBgrl]

bump for a "silent reader" ....

when you email me...let me know if you found these threads... Im bumping a few for u

 

[Par Deus]

The stoppage of fat loss on a diet has nothing to do with getting used to a diet and needing to be shocked by a new kind. It is a physiological starvation response, signalled by the adipocyte derived hormone leptin.

Read my articles on the subject -- Big Mf'r issues 3,4, and 5 -- or do a search on the MFW usenet group.