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Warm up- stretching or no?

steve i play professional sports, eric cressey is the top guru in the game. check out jasonferruggia.com or jim wendler or defranco, these guys all follow the same protocols, saying there info is outdate is laughable especially when you posted a msnbc article
 
and you obviously didnt check my link because i said nothing about stretching and there is nothing in my link about it
 
^^^ bodybuilding is different than baseball.

you don't stretch before lifting period.. that isn't outdated.. i'm not gonna argue this with you further cause I think you are just trolling but you could seriously hurt a newb getting into lifting with that advice.

yes i did look at your link and it had nothing to do with bodybuilding or lifting.. again professional sports is not the same as lifting.. this forum is about weightlifting. you don't like my link then fine, there are hundreds more if you google stretching before lifting. and the worst reason of all not to stretch before lifting is it will weaken your muscle, expect to lose 5-10 pounds off your lifts if you stretch. thats a big deal to lifters who are trying to push themselves in the gym and break PR's.
 
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you obviously have never taken an exercise physiology or kinesiology class, its called myofascial release and dynamic stretching. Nothing about static stretching, is mentioned. Why not have more mobility in your body so you can power your posterior chain to work more efficiently and move heavier loads. This is a weight training and lifting forum he said nothing about bodybuilding either. I'm not aruging about static stretching because I never stretch before a workout or any lifts. I do hip flexor mobs/stretches and pfromis streches during sets of heavy deadlifting days bcuz my hips have a history of tightening between sets.

What is outdated is running on the treadmill for 5 mintues, that is counter productive espeically if youre trying to lift for strength and power. Sure you may sweat, but youll lose power output and shotern your hip flexors and reduce mobilty especially before a heavy squat/deadlift day if youre running or doing the elliptical for 5+minutes. The goal is to lengthen the muscles and allow them to work in their natural range of motion and symmetry.
 
^^ i don't take classes i'm too old for this shit man, i will leave school for you young guys. i been doing this for 16+ some years .. and I will tell you that you don't learn shit in a classrom, you learn from doing it. most doctors have 10 years of school and they don't know shit about nutrition or working out.

problem is young guys these days know everything though, thats why they get their asses handed to them in road races and bodybuilding competitions. when i was young I seeked the knowledge from experience guys, i LISTENED. these days kids know it all and don't want to hear anything. not sure if its a generational thing or just a trend who knows.

i never said to run on the treadmill 5 minutes. i said if you are running a 5K you should warm up by doing a light jog for 5-10 minutes.. if you are lifting you should warmup with light weights and then work your way up.. before a PL competition we would do a set of light weight, then before our first lift we would get angry and lift. there was no stretching involved.

to be quite honest I don't see people stretch at all at the gym.. even after.. but I am the few that do. i think stretching is important and good for the body. heck you can even catch me at yoga once in a while.. but the OP wanted to know what to do before he lifts, not before his baseball game.
 
I know that people who do heavy squats before trying their vertical jump can jump HIGHER than if they didnt do the heavy squats. BUt that is not really relevant lol

The correct way to stretch is to do DYNAMIC stretching before you lift, STATIC stretching after you lift. Dynamic stretching is still stretching the muscle but you are not holding it in one place for 20+ seconds.

I think you guys are both agreeing on this, static stretching is not good before working out. However, dynamic stretching can be beneficial. I think getting your blood pumping either by walking/jogging/warm up sets with lighter weights is good. Jigga, how does running shorten your hip flexors? Every time I do squats after a jog I feel way better and more loose.
 
I know that people who do heavy squats before trying their vertical jump can jump HIGHER than if they didnt do the heavy squats. BUt that is not really relevant lol

The correct way to stretch is to do DYNAMIC stretching before you lift, STATIC stretching after you lift. Dynamic stretching is still stretching the muscle but you are not holding it in one place for 20+ seconds.

I think you guys are both agreeing on this, static stretching is not good before working out. However, dynamic stretching can be beneficial. I think getting your blood pumping either by walking/jogging/warm up sets with lighter weights is good. Jigga, how does running shorten your hip flexors? Every time I do squats after a jog I feel way better and more loose.

What the hell is dynamic stretching, just swinging my arms back and forth or something? Of is it doing the actual exercise only with a lighter weight (warm up sets before going heavy)?
 
I know that people who do heavy squats before trying their vertical jump can jump HIGHER than if they didnt do the heavy squats. BUt that is not really relevant lol

The correct way to stretch is to do DYNAMIC stretching before you lift, STATIC stretching after you lift. Dynamic stretching is still stretching the muscle but you are not holding it in one place for 20+ seconds.

I think you guys are both agreeing on this, static stretching is not good before working out. However, dynamic stretching can be beneficial. I think getting your blood pumping either by walking/jogging/warm up sets with lighter weights is good. Jigga, how does running shorten your hip flexors? Every time I do squats after a jog I feel way better and more loose.

when you jog youre not extending your hip fully, its a shorter range of motion, same thing with most people on a bike or sitting down all the time at work, majority of people have tight and weak hip flexors
 
What the hell is dynamic stretching, just swinging my arms back and forth or something? Of is it doing the actual exercise only with a lighter weight (warm up sets before going heavy)?


dynamic stretching is doing a motion that stretches you but you are always moving.

The Ultimate Dynamic Stretching Exercises That Take Your Fitness/Sport to The Next Level

there are some examples on this link, not saying this link is where i get any of my info, i just googled dynamic stretching. Swinging your arms back and forth is considered dynamic stretching. CEO has some good stuff on this topic I believe.
 
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