Var, Test Prop and HGH

[Catman22]

Hi all,

Some of you may have read my log a few months back when I ran a var only cycle.

I am a semi pro rugby player and I ran this cycle in my off season.

I like to be prepared and properly advised when it comes to putting any sort of drug or whatever into my body, which is why I use the forum. The last cycle I ran was my 1st and as stated was a var only cycle, I had to cut it short at 5 weeks but even then I saw some good strentgh and lean mass gains, I also kept these gains well. I had to cut the cycle short due to being let down by my previous supplier.

Anyway I have found a new reputible supplier and I am planning on running a new cycle as soon as the season finnishes.

I was looking at running the following:
100mg Var ED
100mg Test Prop EOD
I was also looking at possibly running 4iu hygetropin ED (this is just because it is available and I have heard some great things about HGH)
FOR 8 WEEKS

I would run Liv 52 along with armidex with the cycle and my planned pct is nolva, clomid and 2weeks HCG.

I am currently 221lbs, 5'10", around 17% bf (but will be closer to 15% at cycle start)
My diet is good and pretty clean.

My aim is to gain and keep around 10-15lbs while losing as close to 5% bf as possible. My main aim is to drastically increase my strength, put on some lean mass and decrease my bf%. I want to keep as much of my gains as possible!

I'm quite strong already,
Bench 275 for 5
Squat 375 for 5
Dead Lift 440 for 3

I welcome any advice and please let me know if you think my goals are unrealistic.

Hope to hear from you all soon,
Cheers

 

[Varga]

Try igf instead of HGH for that short of a cycle

 

[Catman22]

Try igf instead of HGH for that short of a cycle

What differences does that give in terms of results to HGH?
Is it cheaper, I dont know much about IGF.

Thanks for the input though

Cheers

 

[rambleon]

Gaining 10-15 lbs while going from 17 to around 5 pct bf in 8 weeks when the starting off point is 221 lbs actually means gaining around 35-40 lbs of lean body mass. That means around 5 lbs lean body mass gained ew. Sorry to bust ur bubble bro but that's not gonna happen. Ever. No matter what drugs u use. The cycle will probably get u good gains and a nice drop in bf but nothing like those pipe dream numbers. The hgh won't really do very much at 4 iu for 8 weeks only. U need to cycle that a lot longer at that dose to see anything at all from it.

 

[Varga]

What differences does that give in terms of results to HGH?
Is it cheaper, I dont know much about IGF.

Thanks for the input though

Cheers

IGF will lean you out and give you nice pumps + creates hyperplasia of the muscle cells long term
HGH creats hyperplasia too by increasing IGF but you need to use it much longer than 8 weeks to see anything
If you want to use HGH for 8 weeks you need to up the dosage past 4IU per day but with that comes sides too
Keep reading about it
Im using both IGF and HGH...I like IGF better for muscle growth and HGH in high quantities bloats not a fan of that

 

[Catman22]

Just to add, that would mean to achive my goal I would have to gain around 21-16lbs muscle,
at around 2 1/2 - 3 1/4 lbs a week,
is this still totally unrealistic?

Cheers,

 

[Catman22]

Gaining 10-15 lbs while going from 17 to around 5 pct bf in 8 weeks when the starting off point is 221 lbs actually means gaining around 35-40 lbs of lean body mass. That means around 5 lbs lean body mass gained ew. Sorry to bust ur bubble bro but that's not gonna happen. Ever. No matter what drugs u use. The cycle will probably get u good gains and a nice drop in bf but nothing like those pipe dream numbers. The hgh won't really do very much at 4 iu for 8 weeks only. U need to cycle that a lot longer at that dose to see anything at all from it.

Sorry if you missinterpreted my goals, but I was aiming on dropping around 5% bf not TO 5%,
my aim is to get AS CLOSE to 10% bf over all which would be a drop of around 5%, as I stated I will be starting the cycle at around 15%bf.
And I agree, I would never imagine that I would put on 40lbs of muscle and lose 10% in 8 weeks.

Sorry, I must not have made it clear.

Thanks for your input,
Cheers,

 

[Catman22]

Just to add,
To reach my goals I would be looking to gain 21-26lbs muscle gross, and to lose around 11lbs fat gross, meaning a net gain of 10-15lbs.
To gain 21-26lbs muscle in 8 weeks I wouls have to gain just over 2.5lbs - 3.25lbs a week (of muscle) and lose just over 1.25lbs of fat a week.

These are ball park figures, I would obviously be happy if i gained 9lbs overall and lost 4%bf,

Are these goals still totally unrealistic with this cycle in mind?

Thanks for the input on HGH, wot sort of results would I get using IGF in its place, or is it advised to just stick to the var and prop?

Thanks again

 

[rambleon]

Just to add,
To reach my goals I would be looking to gain 21-26lbs muscle gross, and to lose around 11lbs fat gross, meaning a net gain of 10-15lbs.
To gain 21-26lbs muscle in 8 weeks I wouls have to gain just over 2.5lbs - 3.25lbs a week (of muscle) and lose just over 1.25lbs of fat a week.

These are ball park figures, I would obviously be happy if i gained 9lbs overall and lost 4%bf,

Are these goals still totally unrealistic with this cycle in mind?

Thanks for the input on HGH, wot sort of results would I get using IGF in its place, or is it advised to just stick to the var and prop?

Thanks again

Well i did misunderstand. Sorry about that. I really must say that gaining over 20 lbs of pure muscle in 8 weeks would be simply phenomenal. Gaining 9 lbs while losing about the same in fat would still be nothing short of fantastic. I've done a lot of cycles. Used about every stack in the book and never experienced anything quite as spectacular on such a short cycle.

If u had a bit more cycle experience I would direct ur attention towards tren. Tren is by far the most effective way to simultaneously gain muscle and drop bf. It is also a great deal harsher than the prop var combo u have in mind.

I think that if u could gain around 8 lbs while dropping say 3 % bf (which would be almost 7 lbs of fat) that would be an truly great result. U would be astonished by the visual difference that would make. Or reversely gaining as little as 5 lbs while dropping 5% bf. That would make a huge difference in actual looks. Much more so than the numbers would have u believe. It's the combination of more muscle and less fat at the same time that does the trick. U'll see I trust. U'll gain less than ur goals but it will make more of a difference than u thought.

About the Igf it is a very good idea for ur goals instead of the HGH. The Igf will make a positive difference in an 8-weeker.

Good luck mate.

 

[Catman22]

Thanks very much Rambleon!

The two main reasons i was looking at prop and var in this cycle was:
1. Minimal side effects compared to the maximum gains in strength and or size
2. As a rugby player I may get tested, and I wanted plenty of time off cycle to clean my system (as i understand the detection times for var and prop are around 3 and 2 weeks respectively)

I agree with what you said mate, +8lbs and -3% would be a great result.
What I started off with was maximum gains, and I understand now they would be near enough unachievable.
In all honesty the strength and the size are higher on my list of priorities than the drop in bf%, I mean I would love to drop some bf% for aesthetic purposes but in terms of my performance I would be happy with good strenght and weight gains with minimal sides.

As always thanks for your input, and I welcome any advice and help no matter how small/large or critical

Cheers,