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training fallacies that annoy me

Andy13

Andy13

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Beyond the obvious, iddiotic, newbie exercises,

These two get seem to be incorporated by many know-it-alls ...

They are:

1) behind the neck lat-pull downs-- I just cringe when I see this.. Imagine if the cable snapped.. Especially the way the idiots in my gym do the exercise-- with the entire stack, coming off the seat and then pulling down with their entire body weight.

But really, there is no difference between behind the neck pulldowns and infront of the neck.

2) Supinated (plams up) triceps pushdowns. Unlike the biceps, where this change of grip makes a difference, on tri's, it makes no difference at all... only you cannot lift as much weight with such an awkward hand position.

any more, guys?

Andy
 
Oh, yeah.. 21's are also pretty idotic.. But I kind of throw that into the newbie categorie.

Another one is concentration or cable curls for "improving the peak on your bicep." This one cracks me up.. You cannot change the shape of your muscle.. You can just make it a bigger version of the present shape.

Andy
 
training fallacies i see every day

Some skinny little kid benching 65 pounds and screaming at the top of his lungs like its some record bench....... They then proceed to stand up all red faced, and flushed and rub their pecs like some great feat of strength has just been displayed (yes i do see this just about every day)

The guys who take up 25 minutes on a bench or piece of equipment because they think doing 125 reps per set does something....

I don't know if one can call these fallacies but they are certainly annoying yet funny at the same time....
YUM
 
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Andy13 said:
Beyond the obvious, iddiotic, newbie exercises,

These two get seem to be incorporated by many know-it-alls ...

They are:

1) behind the neck lat-pull downs-- I just cringe when I see this.. Imagine if the cable snapped.. Especially the way the idiots in my gym do the exercise-- with the entire stack, coming off the seat and then pulling down with their entire body weight. Now i always check cables before first set.
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i don't have to imagine, this shit happened to me. I fucking knocked myself out for 20 sec or so when the cable snapped. Luckily it was winter and i was wearing a beanie, otherwise i would be bleeding all other the place.

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But really, there is no difference between behind the neck pulldowns and infront of the neck.
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huge difference for me...weight wise. and if cable snapped while you are doing it infront there is a possibility you could bring the bar on your face...ouch.

2) Supinated (plams up) triceps pushdowns. Unlike the biceps, where this change of grip makes a difference, on tri's, it makes no difference at all... only you cannot lift as much weight with such an awkward hand position.

any more, guys?

Andy
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Have any of you guys seen that midget that ties weights to his dick and "curls" them? Well, I tried that shit & all it did for me was get me kicked out of the gym. Boy, that midget is a dummy.
 
OK, Here is a subject I can go off on:

1. Upright rows with your hands actually touching each other on the bar. WTF!!! All you are doing is stretching and tearing your rotator cuff.

2. Close grips with hands touching... I know they are supposed to be close, but not that close guys.

3. Tricep kick backs when you have 14 inch arms.

4. The belief that a 2 hour work-out is better than a one hour intense work-out. I assure that many of us were guilty of this stupidity when we started.

5. Having your lifting partner assist on every goddamn rep.

6. Basically any so-called shaping exercise... because as ANDY13 said, you can not shape anything, beyond the shape it has.
 
Oh yeah.. triceps kick backs..

What I really want to say to these guys is "where's the force, here, fellas? Looks like your rear delt is doing most of the work here.

But what's even worse is when these idiots do that exercise and bring bring their arm back beyond 90 degrees, nearly hitting themselves in the face and then using that momentum to throw the weight back..

I don't bother to correct them.. You usually get the guys who says "uh.. yeah.. well ya know.. I played high school football, scored four touchdowns in the city championship game by the way, and I've been doing it like this for 15 years."

Huh.. So apparently a wrong exercise becomes "right" after that 15 year point, eh?

Andy
 
HEYYYYYY THATS ME:

You mean seeing that I am 174lbs and I am benching 145 and yelling and screaming and doing like a 100 reps it isnt doing anything?
Shit I just read that my favorite exercises were shit too,man I am just a mess!
Hey by the way how the hell do you get the vial top back on after you break it off?
ok ok I had to write this as I thought it would be funny,sorry!!
LOL
samson
 
Personally, I like the 150lb guys that look like their gonna rip their fucking arms off swinging 60's around calling them standing bicep curls...wtf?
 
When i lived in NY we had a GUY names him..

there was this guy he has absolutly no personality. we call him 30 minute set man because he would do a set up what ever .....squats, bench and wait like 30 minutes to do another set. his other name was 8 days a week. he never took a day of to recover hahaah
 
Jonny, I know that guy!! I have at least three of them in my gym...I hate the guys that have to look at themselves during every rep during every set. I look at myself a lot, I admit, but just today I watched this stuiped little guy doing deadlifts with 225 and looking sideways into a mirror, that was twenty feet away. He did not juts look at the top of the lift, but kept his head turned sideways the whole time...he could only do four or five reps at the most, and had to bouce it off the floor...:FRlol: stuiped ass!
 
- Kids trying to get bigger that lift alot of reps, not only that but when they do it and do reps really fast.

- People who do incline with there shoulders not there chest

- Lazy bones who don't use all the weight they can. And there goal is mass.
 
Sorry Jay.. I actually started this thread to point out some really, really common mistakes that even pro's use..

Like behind the neck pulldowns and plams-up triceps pushdowns and DB kick backs..
 
does everyone have the guy who thinks you're his best friend 'cause you've given him a spot a couple times? :mad: there's this guy who stands around and talkes to me all the f'n time. i'm kind of a nice guy so it's hard for me to tell him to go away... when inside i want to hurl a 120lb dumbel at his head so he'll leave me the hell alone. dont you hate people that dont catch on to body gestures? :rolleyes:
 
I used to see a guy that would put a folded up towel on his chest when doing bench press. He would use it to give him extra padding so he could bounce the weight back up.
 
There is a guy at my gym that does excercises that I have never even seen before. They all use a ton of momemtum. He also puts like 5 plates on the preacher curl machine and moves it like three inches. The sad thing is that he is a chiropractor!
 
Andy13 said:
Beyond the obvious, iddiotic, newbie exercises,

These two get seem to be incorporated by many know-it-alls ...

They are:

1) behind the neck lat-pull downs-- I just cringe when I see this.. Imagine if the cable snapped.. Especially the way the idiots in my gym do the exercise-- with the entire stack, coming off the seat and then pulling down with their entire body weight.

But really, there is no difference between behind the neck pulldowns and infront of the neck.

2) Supinated (plams up) triceps pushdowns. Unlike the biceps, where this change of grip makes a difference, on tri's, it makes no difference at all... only you cannot lift as much weight with such an awkward hand position.

any more, guys?

Andy
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i had a really hard time getting the horse shoe look on the side of my arms to stand out, UNTIL i started adding a PALMS UP exercise to my tricep routine. so im gonna have to say IT DOES MATTER.
 
actually behind the neck pulldowns and upright rows are two of the most dangerous excercises you can do. This is because they put extreme stress on your rotator cuff. Anything that makes your shoulder twist like that is asking for trouble. Another one is barbell military press behind your head. It's a great excerise but do them in front of your head. And them some guys wonder why their shoulders hurt. It's because they are doing these excercises. And if you ask where I get this info from, I remember reading it in an american journal of fitness email I get. Don't know if they have any credibility but it makes sense.
 
i have a group mof high school kids that all weigh under 175. they put 315 on the flat bench and then try to bench it with two spotters. i think the spotters work harder than the bench guy! and yes they scream and yell and spit. its crazy. most of the other guys try not to watch so no one sees when one of them gets hurt!:confused:
 
okayt agree with all of the behind the neck crap. BUT you guys are wacked if you think that there is no diff between palms up and palms down tri push downs! ...Palms up hits rear head WAY MORE !
 
I must say most ppls at my gym :mad:

I think Ill go with a machine gun someday and kill them all :shoot: :destroy:


But I like these two punks kids that look like Marilyn Manson, they put 315 on the bench and the spotter is screaming like hell because he pulling a good half!

Or the morons that do dumbell curls and move their bodies like they are dancing while using 10lbs

or the b*** doing steppers for hours, but most of their body is lying on the bar, while no muscle groups actually work.

Or the guys that Squat 1inch !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
what about when I am doing hang cleans or push-presses and some moron approaches me and says that I am "cheating and using my legs" to get the weight up.


also the latest rage at the gym is for the 12 inch arm guys to remove the bar from the cable row, grasp the cable and do tricep kickbacks with just the top plate. I didn't think you could get a more retarded excercise than dumbell tri-kickbacks, but these guys managed to do it.


as for the reverse grip tri stuff, I sometimes do a narrow reverse grip on overhead ez-bar extensions.... it lets you do the lift without the elbows flaring, and at least for me is a little easier on the elbows.
 
Deepsquat said:
okayt agree with all of the behind the neck crap. BUT you guys are wacked if you think that there is no diff between palms up and palms down tri push downs! ...Palms up hits rear head WAY MORE !
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I don't doubt that you 'feel' it differently.. But, really, anatomically, there is no difference.. I'm quite positive on this one. If you work on your bicep flexibility, you will see that you get the same 'feel' with palm down as palm up.

Andy
 
I, like Ronnie, do dumbell kickbacks, two hands at a time. I make sure my elbows dont move throughout the movement and my tris love it. Whats wrong with doing those?

I also am guilty of doing behind the neck pulldowns, but with lighter weight and concentrate on only using the lats (i will do ANYTHING to build up a nice kite back there).
 
don't do the palms-up press downs


but i do the behind the neck pulldowns. and i've already read your reply andy (the same as the tricep guys), but i really do feel a major difference in where it works. i swear that the behind the neck pull-downs (i never do a weight that i can't do 8 reps with) works my outer/upper-back more because that's where i get the burn when i'm doing them. reverse grip pull-downs for me burn more toward the front of the lat and normal grip front pull downs burn more in the lower front of the lat.

the way i see it, if it's burning there it's gotta be working there. and if it's burning, i like it

and as far as the whole - most prone to rotator cuff bullshit - sorry but that was freaking published in muscle and fitness like 6 years ago and now everybody walks around as though it were fact.

maybe for beginners that is a fact, but for a more experienced weightlifters who know their bodies... i think it's an effective exercise.
 
Dropping the dumbells onto the floor after every fucking set while at the same time screaming "ARGH!!!" And I do mean -every fucking set-.

For example, some idiot will do db flyes with 30 lbs and from about 4' up he'll let them come crashing onto the floor while yelling as if he just shit his depends undergarments for the 20th time in the past hour.
 
I agree with most except the thread that states you cannot change the shape of a muscle.......actually I'm of the belief that the sole reason men's biceps look like they do instead of the feminine long belly type is because since we were young we flexed it a lot. I believe flexing improves the shape of the belly of the muscle. Women who flex a lot have masculine looking bellies of the muscle.....how would a person account for a female that just lifts weights to stay in shape & uses a lot of weight & proper exercises still having the female style belly of muscle but if you look at women that are actually trying to get that belly to stick up.........they flex all the time. I believe it's the flexing......that's my story & I'm sticking to it.


As for the lat pull downs....I cringe when I see so many people in the gym use the front lat pull down as if it were an extension of the tricep extension......oh yeah.....you've seen it......bar overhead........pull it down.....it just keeps coming down to their lap.......OMG & the people that have degrees at the Wellness Center I go to in Physical Therapy taught them that......HOLY SHIT......can you imagine the stress at 2 different joints? Shoulder rotating to accomidate the pronation of the wrists.......then the elbow joint picks up the next part of the stress at parallel.....then the wrists.......fuck.......stupid fuckers.....therapists & I have gone round & round.

Biggest arguements I've gotten in with therapists in the Wellness Center was on these two basic moves......
Dumbell Curl
Inverted Leg Press

In the Curl they want them against the wall & drop the weight to a full extension with kness slightly bent.......

I say.....knees slightly bent & leaning forward to keep the stress at the top of the movement....if leaning straight or back against a wall......stress will be relieved 3/4's into the movement.........that's a no go........
Next.......full extension.....they will pay for that when they get old......when you get full extension....I mean complete......the bones slightly pull apart at the elbow....then when you explode into the concentric phase of the exercise.....the bones there slam together.....every damn time......which will lead to a debilitating condition.
Never fully relax on the curl & do not lock outl.

On the Inverted Leg Press.......don't lock out. The bone has to travel a little further apart close to lock out & then as you lock out......notice that your leg comes back together.....try it sometime.....you'll extend........just as you lock out....it seems as your leg came apart & then came back together.......don't fully lock out at the top.....just go to the point just before lock out & bring it back down for the next part of the movement.
Imagine your leg as the joint moves & then is snapped in place at the lock out position by 600-1300lbs of weight against it for years. Plus that type of lock out rests the muscle too much at the top.....it should not be resting.

The last one is.......the MASSIVE GUY in the gym.......(massive fat ass more like it that thinks he is the hulk), bouncing 3 plates off his chest & using the powerlifter style spring as he lays there. Try crossing your legs over the bench in a 90degs & stop the weight 1 inch from the upper pec.....hehehehehe I dare him.......I double dare him.

I fart in their general direction
 
aerobics. i see the same heffers going in and out of these classes for years and they not lose a pound and then give you an attitude as they wait to do a million calf raises before they go home to bore their family with the tales of all the hard work they've been putting in the gym.
 
ragin' said:
does everyone have the guy who thinks you're his best friend 'cause you've given him a spot a couple times? :mad: there's this guy who stands around and talkes to me all the f'n time. i'm kind of a nice guy so it's hard for me to tell him to go away... when inside i want to hurl a 120lb dumbel at his head so he'll leave me the hell alone. dont you hate people that dont catch on to body gestures? :rolleyes:
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Yep, we call him the "Talk It Up Gym Man"...LOL:D
 
off topic, but what about the "bar builders". The guys that only build the muscles that look good in the bar or the mirror: chest, biceps, shoulder, etc.
 
hey walkthewalk, ya gotta be nice to the fat chicks, though.....cause some of them do, over time, turn out real nice..:D :D but you're right... some of them are just doomed to fatness forever.
 
Andy13 said:
Beyond the obvious, iddiotic, newbie exercises,

These two get seem to be incorporated by many know-it-alls ...

They are:

1) behind the neck lat-pull downs-- I just cringe when I see this.. Imagine if the cable snapped.. Especially the way the idiots in my gym do the exercise-- with the entire stack, coming off the seat and then pulling down with their entire body weight.

But really, there is no difference between behind the neck pulldowns and infront of the neck.

2) Supinated (plams up) triceps pushdowns. Unlike the biceps, where this change of grip makes a difference, on tri's, it makes no difference at all... only you cannot lift as much weight with such an awkward hand position.

any more, guys?

Andy
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I disagree with you.

These are very rash statements.
Yes you must use correct form, but:
Everybody has different genetics. Exercises will work differently for different people. Now I am sure that any experienced bodybuilder will tell you that behind the neck pull downs target an area that infront the neck pull downs cannot.

This is the area where the muscles squeeze together along the line of your upper spinal cord.

When I reverse grip my triceps I get a completely different burn to when I do normal push downs. It focuses the outter region more.

As far as I am concerned you should be flamed for this post. You have proved your ignorance. I would like to see what you look like. You prolley have 14" arms.
 
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I agree with most except the thread that states you cannot change the shape of a muscle.......actually I'm of the belief that the sole reason men's biceps look like they do instead of the feminine long belly type is because since we were young we flexed it a lot. I believe flexing improves the shape of the belly of the muscle. Women who flex a lot have masculine looking bellies of the muscle.....how would a person account for a female that just lifts weights to stay in shape & uses a lot of weight & proper exercises still having the female style belly of muscle but if you look at women that are actually trying to get that belly to stick up.........they flex all the time. I believe it's the flexing......that's my story & I'm sticking to it.


As for the lat pull downs....I cringe when I see so many people in the gym use the front lat pull down as if it were an extension of the tricep extension......oh yeah.....you've seen it......bar overhead........pull it down.....it just keeps coming down to their lap.......OMG & the people that have degrees at the Wellness Center I go to in Physical Therapy taught them that......HOLY SHIT......can you imagine the stress at 2 different joints? Shoulder rotating to accomidate the pronation of the wrists.......then the elbow joint picks up the next part of the stress at parallel.....then the wrists.......fuck.......stupid fuckers.....therapists & I have gone round & round.

Biggest arguements I've gotten in with therapists in the Wellness Center was on these two basic moves......
Dumbell Curl
Inverted Leg Press

In the Curl they want them against the wall & drop the weight to a full extension with kness slightly bent.......

I say.....knees slightly bent & leaning forward to keep the stress at the top of the movement....if leaning straight or back against a wall......stress will be relieved 3/4's into the movement.........that's a no go........
Next.......full extension.....they will pay for that when they get old......when you get full extension....I mean complete......the bones slightly pull apart at the elbow....then when you explode into the concentric phase of the exercise.....the bones there slam together.....every damn time......which will lead to a debilitating condition.
Never fully relax on the curl & do not lock outl.

On the Inverted Leg Press.......don't lock out. The bone has to travel a little further apart close to lock out & then as you lock out......notice that your leg comes back together.....try it sometime.....you'll extend........just as you lock out....it seems as your leg came apart & then came back together.......don't fully lock out at the top.....just go to the point just before lock out & bring it back down for the next part of the movement.
Imagine your leg as the joint moves & then is snapped in place at the lock out position by 600-1300lbs of weight against it for years. Plus that type of lock out rests the muscle too much at the top.....it should not be resting.

The last one is.......the MASSIVE GUY in the gym.......(massive fat ass more like it that thinks he is the hulk), bouncing 3 plates off his chest & using the powerlifter style spring as he lays there. Try crossing your legs over the bench in a 90degs & stop the weight 1 inch from the upper pec.....hehehehehe I dare him.......I double dare him.

I fart in their general direction
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Some of what you sai about women and muscle shape isn't true... While is is true that women who use their muscles more have more full and developed muscle bellies it is not the working out that changes the shape of the muscle... Your genetic composition determines how each muscle will look at it's fully developed point. All the people doing peak "adding" and "defining" exercises are only screaming hope that their genetic makeup will include a peak and a nicely defined and shapely bicep, tricep, etc....
YUM
 
Andy13 said:
I don't doubt that you 'feel' it differently.. But, really, anatomically, there is no difference.. I'm quite positive on this one. If you work on your bicep flexibility, you will see that you get the same 'feel' with palm down as palm up.

Andy
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Oh well, go win mr olympia 7 times and Mr. Universe 3 times. Then write a new encyclopedia to bodybuilding and ill change my tricep workouts but untill then i think i'll stick with what works.

Page 454 of The New Encyclopedia to Modern Bodybuilding
One-arm cable reverse pressdowns
Purpose of excercise: To isolate the triceps and develope the horseshoe shape of the muscle.
 
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Adaptek said:


I disagree with you.

These are very rash statements.
Yes you must use correct form, but:
Everybody has different genetics. Exercises will work differently for different people. Now I am sure that any experienced bodybuilder will tell you that behind the neck pull downs target an area that infront the neck pull downs cannot.

This is the area where the muscles squeeze together along the line of your upper spinal cord.

When I reverse grip my triceps I get a completely different burn to when I do normal push downs. It focuses the outter region more.

As far as I am concerned you should be flamed for this post. You have proved your ignorance. I would like to see what you look like. You prolley have 14" arms.
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Oh please.. Show me some proof.. No, not your arm.. Show me where this is documented.. Until then- do a search under my name and read some of my posts so you can see just how ignorant I am.
 
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Andy13 said:


Oh please.. Show me some proof.. No, not your arm.. Show me where this is documented.. Until then- do a search under my name and read some of my posts so you can see just how ignorant I am.
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Lets use some logic. Whenever we are training a body part it is almost impossible to isolate it completely. When doing tri-cep push downs, apart from working forearms, shoulders may also come into play, even when using strict form. Reversing the grip takes pressure off the shoulders. Don't believe me? Try doing tri-cep press downs after a hardcore shoulder workout.

Secondly maybe the muscles in your back are not developed enough for you to feel the difference between behind and front lat pull downs. When I do front lat pull downs, I feel it in my biceps. When I do behind the neck pull downs I feel it in my forearm more. So again it is a slightly different exercise. You can get a lot more squeeze behind the neck, its common sense. Yes overall you are targetting you back with both exercises but the variation will produce pronounced thickness in different areas.

Just because something works on paper does not mean it will work in the gym, it does not mean it will work for everyone. We are all made different. Some of us have natural freaky triceps and back, others have to hit them from a variety of different angles.

let me see your back. If it looks better than mine then I will believe whatever you say.
 
frorider6 said:
off topic, but what about the "bar builders". The guys that only build the muscles that look good in the bar or the mirror: chest, biceps, shoulder, etc.
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At my gym... no-one trains legs... there are big people in there but all have shit legs... my legs are better than some people in there that outweigh me be 20 to 50lbs....
 
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Adaptek said:


let me see your back. If it looks better than mine then I will believe whatever you say.
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Ahh.. so is that how it works? The bigger you are, the more you know about exercise physiology?:FRlol: :FRlol:
 
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off topic, but what about the "bar builders". The guys that only build the muscles that look good in the bar or the mirror: chest, biceps, shoulder, etc.
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I know too many people that do this, they don't work out legs for some reason! I personally love to workout legs, I get the biggest burn and I love the feeling of barely being able to walk after. I think your legs are such a big part of your body that it makes no sense to neglect it, you can gain so much mass from squats and deadlifts and a lot of people don't do them. Oh well, makes those of us who do them look a lot better :D
 
Willyumyum said:


Some of what you sai about women and muscle shape isn't true... While is is true that women who use their muscles more have more full and developed muscle bellies it is not the working out that changes the shape of the muscle... Your genetic composition determines how each muscle will look at it's fully developed point. All the people doing peak "adding" and "defining" exercises are only screaming hope that their genetic makeup will include a peak and a nicely defined and shapely bicep, tricep, etc....
YUM
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I don't agree with you what so ever........I believe it's the flexing that changes the shape of the belly........not genetics.......genetics mostly decide amount & thickness of muscle fiber.....Mitochondria (slow twitch) to Myofibril (fast twitch), ratio..........I believe the peek & how it balls up is from flexing. I tried not to get too deep....but guess I had no choice......if you think that I'm wrong.....I could give a rat's ass anyway.......I told you........that's my story & I'm sticking to it..........

But don't tell me I'm wrong......it's my educated opinion.......you have yours I have mine. You can say you disagree......but don't say "it's not true" because I'll just say "fuck you".
 
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For behind the neck shoulder press just have someone help u lift it off the rack. The distance between you and the rack is what will cause the injury to your rotator cuffs. Been doing them for years and never had a problem cause I have someone help me lift it off the rack.
 
Willyumyum, don't listen to that storm shadow guy he is a total moran. He acts like he is right about everything but in all reality he is totally wrong, he is stuck in his own little world of beleiving everything that comes out of his own mouth is correct without doing any actual research. I say just ignore this, he is 1 of the biggest retards I have seen on these boards to date.
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Bigpappa......hehehehe you are talking about me in other posts too? OMG I must have hit your button.....made you feel small.....hard to look in the mirror now? grow up
 
bigpoppadrew said:
Willyumyum, don't listen to that storm shadow guy he is a total moran. He acts like he is right about everything but in all reality he is totally wrong, he is stuck in his own little world of beleiving everything that comes out of his own mouth is correct without doing any actual research. I say just ignore this, he is 1 of the biggest retards I have seen on these boards to date.
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knock it off.

Get along.

Like I do all the time with everybody!!! (well most of the time!);)
 
DCS said:
ANdy13, a little bit of info,

first off, once again you have made a post illustrating your ignorance and lack of real world understanding.

tricep kick backs are one of the best ways to shape the upper tricep. THere is nothing wrong with doing this excercise whatsoever. The way gravity works is that on this excercise, when the your arm is being most extended their is the most resistance. THe more extended your arm is the more you hit the upper triceps. Why not just use a cable? Because it is hard not to cheat with your elbows, shoulders and wrists at the bottom part of the movement.

concentration curls, if done properly, by making a conscious effort to really contract the bicep, do in deed give you a peak.

21s are by no means a newbie excercise. They are actually for advanced weight lifters only. They are a great way to shock your arms into growth and bring out more definition shape and muscle hardness.

reverse grip cable pull downs are an excellent excercise if you want to minimize forearm involvement when trying to isolate the triceps.

behind the neck puill downs are a way to hit the back muscles at adifferent angle and stimulate growth in different areas. Just like you can change the angle with the bench press and get different results, the same goes for pulldown excercises.

These are not "trainig fallacies".
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Give me a break.. Show me. I can save you some time.. YOu are not going to find any of this shit documented in an exercise phys book.. SO a quote from Staley or Poloquin will suffice.. Well, forget it.. You probably don't even know who these guys are.. It's obvious that Arnolds book is the extent your research.
 
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bigpoppadrew said:
Willyumyum, don't listen to that storm shadow guy he is a total moran. He acts like he is right about everything but in all reality he is totally wrong, he is stuck in his own little world of beleiving everything that comes out of his own mouth is correct without doing any actual research. I say just ignore this, he is 1 of the biggest retards I have seen on these boards to date.
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When you call a person a >>>moron<<<< make sure you spell it correctly. Nothing is worse than calling another person an 'idiot or moron' and then not spelling the slam correctly.

Next, because you are a 'RUBE', I doubt you have researched anything in your small 'RUBE' life.

P.S. You best look that word up and stop your crying.
:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:
 
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Andy13 said:



Ahh.. so is that how it works? The bigger you are, the more you know about exercise physiology?:FRlol: :FRlol:
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I didn't say the bigger you are the more you know, I said let me see your back, if it looks better than mine I will train mine the way you have. If not then you are talking out your ass.

When Doctors were saying anabolic steroids do not promote muscle growth did you believe them?

Bodybuilders are the experts on muscle growth not some pencil neck doctor in a lab with a test tube. Genetics also plays a major role.
 
alrighty so back to the topic fellas, You know what I think is down right dumb and funny? The huge ass people that you see taking up the damn excercise bikes or stair steppers that are sitting there reading books, and never sweating just turning red. What the hell are they doing? I maybe wrong but I feel when I workout that I need total concentration on every bodypart I work, plus in order to lose weight sweat? Anyone else agree?
 
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Adaptek said:


I didn't say the bigger you are the more you know, I said let me see your back, if it looks better than mine I will train mine the way you have. If not then you are talking out your ass.

When Doctors were saying anabolic steroids do not promote muscle growth did you believe them?

Bodybuilders are the experts on muscle growth not some pencil neck doctor in a lab with a test tube. Genetics also plays a major role.
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Hmm.. now just where did I say that medical doctors know more about BBing than BBers? Do you know who Poloquin and Staley are? They are strength coaches with exercise physiology degrees. Neither of them are larger than competitive BBers. Go read.
 
STORM SHADOW said:
Bigpappa......hehehehe you are talking about me in other posts too? OMG I must have hit your button.....made you feel small.....hard to look in the mirror now? grow up
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Why would I be upset? :confused: :confused:
Sound like you are pretty upset though :bawling: :bawling:
I keep going to threads where you make stupid rants and you are just an idiot, I don't usually argue with people but you are just annoying so please just give this shit up!
 
gurupimp6969 said:
alrighty so back to the topic fellas, You know what I think is down right dumb and funny? The huge ass people that you see taking up the damn excercise bikes or stair steppers that are sitting there reading books, and never sweating just turning red. What the hell are they doing? I maybe wrong but I feel when I workout that I need total concentration on every bodypart I work, plus in order to lose weight sweat? Anyone else agree?
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hehe those are the same people that go and eat Mcdonald's after they go to the gym and order a double big mac with supsersized greasy fries because they think they deserved it after working out so "hard".
:FRlol:
 
bigpoppadrew said:


Why would I be upset? :confused: :confused:
Sound like you are pretty upset though :bawling: :bawling:
I keep going to threads where you make stupid rants and you are just an idiot, I don't usually argue with people but you are just annoying so please just give this shit up!
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Stop your whining & your lying.....you are following from thread to thread whining for people not to listen to me. Are you some kind of 'Thread Stalker'? OMG that's rich.....muahahahaha

:shoot: :bawling:
 
bigpoppadrew said:
You own your dogs ass and thats it. Now seriously chill the fuck out and stop this crap!!
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What is it with dog's ass's & you? you always talk about that. Interesting.
 
i also feel the difference with palms up,i read this yesterday and i decided to give it and shot and holy shit it burns
 
Hey Andy

I do all of those movements that you've just named and have had nothing but results.

I'm willing to post my picks against yours.

(All in fun)
 
Andy13 said:
Beyond the obvious, iddiotic, newbie exercises,

These two get seem to be incorporated by many know-it-alls ...

They are:

1) behind the neck lat-pull downs-- I just cringe when I see this.. Imagine if the cable snapped.. Especially the way the idiots in my gym do the exercise-- with the entire stack, coming off the seat and then pulling down with their entire body weight.

But really, there is no difference between behind the neck pulldowns and infront of the neck.

2) Supinated (plams up) triceps pushdowns. Unlike the biceps, where this change of grip makes a difference, on tri's, it makes no difference at all... only you cannot lift as much weight with such an awkward hand position.

any more, guys?

Andy
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Front barbell shoulder presses hit "my" front delts and behind the neck presses (moving all of 4 inches or ones when the guy touches the base of his traps) "hit more of my lateral and rear delts"-- Old School Gym Moron (anonomyus)
 
I've been training 30+ years and some of the things i agree 100 per cent..i'm not gonna get into it because after reading this thread it would be like talking to a brick wall..TOTALLY USELESS!!!! RADAR:rolleyes:
 
RADAR lol.......no kidding

I think if anybody is doing specialized exercises during bulking is stupid anyway.
 
Hugh Gellatts said:
also the latest rage at the gym is for the 12 inch arm guys to remove the bar from the cable row, grasp the cable and do tricep kickbacks with just the top plate. I didn't think you could get a more retarded excercise than dumbell tri-kickbacks, but these guys managed to do it.
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LOL!

There are a lot of things I hate, like 150-lb guys doing way too many cable flyes (taking up two weight stacks that others might want). But I've never heard the top-plate kickbacks thing.

Then there is the "chick who uses the hyperextension bench for hyperextensions, lateral side raises, and crunches... getting that full trunk workout on the one machine everyone else needs to work lower back-hams" (funny though I don't complain as much when a hot chick is doing something weird)

Last week I was waiting to do pulldowns with that triangle attachment, but this guy was doing light dumbbell exercises sitting under the pulldown cable. He explained that he wasn't trying to build muscle, he was rehabbing, and he needed the bench (with knees under the pad) "for support." That must have been some car accident if he couldn't rehab his shoulders standing up or sitting on a regular bench. The guy looked fine to me!

It's nice that people can achieve all their goals while the rest of us have our workouts interrupted by their self-indulgent crap!!!
 
i think i have you beat....

Ofcourse this would fall under the category of "absurd...and stupid stunts".

Here in smalltown arkansas where we have one gym to speak of ....we also have a karate class. In this karate class, there is a lady in here mid 40's that comes to the gym to workout. (Ofcourse she is in her karate get up.)

She puts 405 on the bar as if she was going to bench that much. Given the first time this happened I stepped back to watch....the she proceeded to roll the plates with her toes. Her face was one of utmost concentration as performed the now face "toe roll". After she performed one set, then she would walk over and strain at picking up one side of the bar. Then proceed to do another set of "toe rows".

The bad part was, is that there is only one good bench and she occupies it for 30 minutes of "toe rolls". I havent said anything yet because Im afraid if I were to mention it....SHE COULD PINCH YOUR LEG OFF WITH THEM TOES....
 
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