train to failiure or not

[sparkant]

hey guys please help to ease my frustration by giving you thoughts on this topic , i have been training for many years and been reasonably pleased with progress , but i have noticed that a lot of other guys have been doing loads of sets and reps and they seem to be growing well of it , the only problem is i have tried this and cant seem to manage more than 4-6 sets for major body parts and 4-5 sets on smaller ones - a gym buddie told me the reason is i always train to 100% failiure and this in fact could be holding me back! for example , i just did chest this afternoon and i did flat dumbell press with 110s for 10 reps -followed by 2 mins rest i then got 7 then 5 then 3 and my chest felt hammered i then did a couple of sets of flyes but to be honest my chest was spent and the intensity level not as high as i would like, i was always taught to train as hard as possible but it seems i may be impeding my progress please help by giving your thoughts and any ideas that i could try i think the biggest obstacle will be intentionally stopping a set before failiure

 

[ExtraMile]

i dont intentionally go to failure on anything jus sayin

 

[Andalite]

Some exercises it wouldn't matter while on others it would. For a typical beginner to go to failure on say squats and deadlifts would hamper his form because he'd develop wrong habits. However, if anyone goes to failure doing pull-ups or curls and exercises of the sort, it wouldn't matter much. Generally, technical exercises such as snatch, clean & press, squat variations, deadlift variations, etc shouldn't be taken to failure - no pl'er or strongman intentionally fails at a lift and oly lifters would NEVER want to fail. So keep that in mind.

 

[InGreatShape]

I try not to go to failure on most of my workouts.

 

[sparkant]

Some exercises it wouldn't matter while on others it would. For a typical beginner to go to failure on say squats and deadlifts would hamper his form because he'd develop wrong habits. However, if anyone goes to failure doing pull-ups or curls and exercises of the sort, it wouldn't matter much. Generally, technical exercises such as snatch, clean & press, squat variations, deadlift variations, etc shouldn't be taken to failure - no pl'er or strongman intentionally fails at a lift and oly lifters would NEVER want to fail. So keep that in mind.

i see what you mean when i started training at 18 it took a while to be able to train to failiure on squats deadlifts as as you rightly point out the form deteriorates but now i can go to failiure with precision form, its worth pointing out i am training for size rather than strength although i beleive if i get as strong as i can i will get bigger

 

[JDid23]

if you go to failure on every set, it's extremely taxing on your central nervous system.

 

[Jocques Straap]

What are your goals?

 

[sparkant]

What are your goals?

Size my diet is good rest is good and thought my training was good but apparently you CAN train too hard ?

 

[timtim]

youre doing a mdified hiit but taking it too far. you need to swithc up training styles, especially if this is all youve done. you have adapted to the training. thats why you have hi a plateau.

 

[joe d]

i train to failure and then some on every set of every sesson for 2-4 months at a time then ill go a diferent rout for a couple months then go back. its all about you and where you are. you need to find what works for you. my muscles love to be hammered beyond beleif with quick brutal sessons as long as i can go the extra mile for recovery.