Thyroid dangers in reality? -- EVERYONE VOTES

[gjohnson5]

my t3 cycles are 2-3 weeks long at peak at 50mcg per day.. down to 25mcg and out.
never a problem.

Hey Satch , why do you use T3 instead of clen , or cutting AAS that won't cause a permanent failure? Since you're pretty lean, I would think T3 would be counter productive to you.

As far as the permanent failure , you can live without a thyroid. I have a relative who's had thier removed and has lived the last 55 years without any problems.

 

[shortstack]

ive been through this b4. thyroid in most part is ok if you do it properly with bloodwork. but, if your irrisponsible it can fuck you up bad. dont take thyroid with first checking your bloodwork before. there are a million un-dioagnosed thyroid conditions in the U.S and if you have one of them and take t3 you could set yourself up for an unwelcome future.

 

[jpl26]

Messing with our thyroid is serious business. Hopefully this poll will help us see the truths, dangers and myths of synthetic thyroid hormone usage.

The only problem with using T3 is catabolism and ramping down. As T3 works through proteolytic pathways, you need to use an AAS, and consume enough protein.

It's fairly easy:

1. T3 = increases the burning of fats, carbs and protein

2. Without AAS, your body loses protein(muscle), because it can't synthesize enough protein to off-set the increase in protein degradation produced by the T3.

3. With AAS added to the mix, your body is now in an enhanced state. It can synthesize far more protein then normal.(This is what AAS do. Increase protein synthesis above and beyond normal). This off-sets T3's catabolic effects. and in some cases(Like Fina for example), you can actually gain a bit of muscle if you dial your diet just right.

4. And the BONUS. T3 increases FAT burning as well. So, if you eat enough protein (1.5g/lb of BW), take a moderate dose of AAS(This is dependent on how much T3 you take), you will lose fat, and remain with all your muscle intact.

5. I also have to say that once supressed, YOU ARE SUPPRESSED. Doesn't matter if you're on 150mcg/day or 50mcg/day, your TSH levels are going to be below normal...Normal being (0.8-5.5), through experience they will probably be around 0.1 or 0.2. But there is no need to panic, you CANNOT BURN YOUR THYROID OUT. I'll explain.

6. People with muscular disorders, who's muscles grow out of control (No, this is not good, it can cause great pain because the nerves get compressed. I don't remember the exact name of the disorder, but I'll look it up later.), take around 400mcg of T3 in order to control the muscle growth. As I said before T3 is proteolytic and eats muscle, so that is how they control it. However, the point is, after cessation (And they use this dosage for years on end.), their thyroid recovers in 8-12 weeks. So, burning your thyroid out is IMO just not possible.

7. Ramping down. if you don't ramp down, you're going to end up your T3 cycle suppressed, and with low TSH. It'll take the thyroid roughly 8 weeks to get back up to normal. This is not fun..lethargy, fat deposition, the works.
So, please ramp down. It's fairly easy and it saves you the trouble of 8 weeks of low T3 levels, which aren't fun at all. Take approximately 4 weeks to ramp down from 50mcg to 12.5mcg, ramping down 12.5mcg/week. if you want to go the extra mile, and have a very good pill cutter, you can go down to 6.25mcg for another week....but breaking those tiny T3 pills (25mcg) into 4 squares is almost next to impossible...they tend to just shatter. But if you can do it, by all means, give it a shot.

8. Once ramped down.....there will be a brief 1-2 week period where T3 levels, and TSH levels will be slightly sub-normal. Here is where supplements come in. The three best are:

1. Acetyl-l-Tyrosine ( For thyroid hormone production and alertness)
2. Green Tea...to maintain a thermogenic state that does not favor fat deposition due to slightly lowered T3 levels. And is not an adrenergic drug (Non-stimulative), therfore has no effect on the thyroid. About 900mg ECGC's/day is good enough. You can go higher if you wish, but some people have reported slight anxiety at higher doses.
4. And the most important: 7-oxo-DHEA..I prefer the liquid form to the pill/powder form because of better absorption, but in pill form 300mg/day.
7-oxo-DHEA btw increases the levels of T3 and T4 ENDOGENEOUSLY, which is obviously a huge boost during those 2 weeks.

And after those 2 weeks....your T3, T4, and TSH levels should be right on spec.

With the current crop of new supplements which have much better absorption than the old crop, a T3 cycle is really not as dangerous as you think. You just need the right supplements and a good plan of attack.

 

[LoneTree]

Thyroxine causes negative nitrogen balance - means you lose protein, from muscles and bones. Not a good way to lose weight.

 

[shortstack]

The only problem with using T3 is catabolism and ramping down. As T3 works through proteolytic pathways, you need to use an AAS, and consume enough protein.

It's fairly easy:

1. T3 = increases the burning of fats, carbs and protein

2. Without AAS, your body loses protein(muscle), because it can't synthesize enough protein to off-set the increase in protein degradation produced by the T3.

3. With AAS added to the mix, your body is now in an enhanced state. It can synthesize far more protein then normal.(This is what AAS do. Increase protein synthesis above and beyond normal). This off-sets T3's catabolic effects. and in some cases(Like Fina for example), you can actually gain a bit of muscle if you dial your diet just right.

4. And the BONUS. T3 increases FAT burning as well. So, if you eat enough protein (1.5g/lb of BW), take a moderate dose of AAS(This is dependent on how much T3 you take), you will lose fat, and remain with all your muscle intact.

5. I also have to say that once supressed, YOU ARE SUPPRESSED. Doesn't matter if you're on 150mcg/day or 50mcg/day, your TSH levels are going to be below normal...Normal being (0.8-5.5), through experience they will probably be around 0.1 or 0.2. But there is no need to panic, you CANNOT BURN YOUR THYROID OUT. I'll explain.

6. People with muscular disorders, who's muscles grow out of control (No, this is not good, it can cause great pain because the nerves get compressed. I don't remember the exact name of the disorder, but I'll look it up later.), take around 400mcg of T3 in order to control the muscle growth. As I said before T3 is proteolytic and eats muscle, so that is how they control it. However, the point is, after cessation (And they use this dosage for years on end.), their thyroid recovers in 8-12 weeks. So, burning your thyroid out is IMO just not possible.

7. Ramping down. if you don't ramp down, you're going to end up your T3 cycle suppressed, and with low TSH. It'll take the thyroid roughly 8 weeks to get back up to normal. This is not fun..lethargy, fat deposition, the works.
So, please ramp down. It's fairly easy and it saves you the trouble of 8 weeks of low T3 levels, which aren't fun at all. Take approximately 4 weeks to ramp down from 50mcg to 12.5mcg, ramping down 12.5mcg/week. if you want to go the extra mile, and have a very good pill cutter, you can go down to 6.25mcg for another week....but breaking those tiny T3 pills (25mcg) into 4 squares is almost next to impossible...they tend to just shatter. But if you can do it, by all means, give it a shot.

8. Once ramped down.....there will be a brief 1-2 week period where T3 levels, and TSH levels will be slightly sub-normal. Here is where supplements come in. The three best are:

1. Acetyl-l-Tyrosine ( For thyroid hormone production and alertness)
2. Green Tea...to maintain a thermogenic state that does not favor fat deposition due to slightly lowered T3 levels. And is not an adrenergic drug (Non-stimulative), therfore has no effect on the thyroid. About 900mg ECGC's/day is good enough. You can go higher if you wish, but some people have reported slight anxiety at higher doses.
4. And the most important: 7-oxo-DHEA..I prefer the liquid form to the pill/powder form because of better absorption, but in pill form 300mg/day.
7-oxo-DHEA btw increases the levels of T3 and T4 ENDOGENEOUSLY, which is obviously a huge boost during those 2 weeks.

And after those 2 weeks....your T3, T4, and TSH levels should be right on spec.

With the current crop of new supplements which have much better absorption than the old crop, a T3 cycle is really not as dangerous as you think. You just need the right supplements and a good plan of attack.

if you think the only risks of taking thyroid are catabolism and ramping down, you have alot to learn

 

[poantrex]

Agreed! There are far too many people that think they can run this shit without repercussions! And most of these people don't get bloodtests to see where they stand after doing the shit. I can almost guarantee most people will have a higher TSH baseline after doing a high dosed cycle of T3, whether they ramp up and down slowly or not. And you won't feel signifigant side effects of having a higher TSH, either.

Thats a problem, and the other problem is that most docs will find their thyroid in the "normal" range and declare that their thyroid is fine...Uhm, normal healthy range for TSH is between 1 -2, 3 and above is the range where most of those 60 and older fall! Definitely not ideal. I've seen a lot of posts from people that have haad their bloodwork done after doing cytomel, and their TSH was above 3....which is not good, at all.

 

[LoneTree]

I am seeing the general mind set of people on this forum to push the limits - on every thing.
If you are pushing limits on anabolics, then let your other systems run normally and adjust to it, and balance any negative effects.
I know human physiology better than 90% of doctors.
Push limits only on one thing at a time.
It is fool hardy to think that you know everything. When studying human body, the more you know, the more you realise how little you know.
Even great minds can be fooled - think about all those medicines that are withdrawn. We were hearing great things about Vioox, Celebrex and medicines in this category since 15 years, and people had great expectations. Look what happened.
Treat your body with more respect.

 

[gjohnson5]

if you think the only risks of taking thyroid are catabolism and ramping down, you have alot to learn

Could you be more specific?

 

[gjohnson5]

The only problem with using T3 is catabolism and ramping down. As T3 works through proteolytic pathways, you need to use an AAS, and consume enough protein.

It's fairly easy:

1. T3 = increases the burning of fats, carbs and protein

2. Without AAS, your body loses protein(muscle), because it can't synthesize enough protein to off-set the increase in protein degradation produced by the T3.

3. With AAS added to the mix, your body is now in an enhanced state. It can synthesize far more protein then normal.(This is what AAS do. Increase protein synthesis above and beyond normal). This off-sets T3's catabolic effects. and in some cases(Like Fina for example), you can actually gain a bit of muscle if you dial your diet just right.

4. And the BONUS. T3 increases FAT burning as well. So, if you eat enough protein (1.5g/lb of BW), take a moderate dose of AAS(This is dependent on how much T3 you take), you will lose fat, and remain with all your muscle intact.

5. I also have to say that once supressed, YOU ARE SUPPRESSED. Doesn't matter if you're on 150mcg/day or 50mcg/day, your TSH levels are going to be below normal...Normal being (0.8-5.5), through experience they will probably be around 0.1 or 0.2. But there is no need to panic, you CANNOT BURN YOUR THYROID OUT. I'll explain.

6. People with muscular disorders, who's muscles grow out of control (No, this is not good, it can cause great pain because the nerves get compressed. I don't remember the exact name of the disorder, but I'll look it up later.), take around 400mcg of T3 in order to control the muscle growth. As I said before T3 is proteolytic and eats muscle, so that is how they control it. However, the point is, after cessation (And they use this dosage for years on end.), their thyroid recovers in 8-12 weeks. So, burning your thyroid out is IMO just not possible.

7. Ramping down. if you don't ramp down, you're going to end up your T3 cycle suppressed, and with low TSH. It'll take the thyroid roughly 8 weeks to get back up to normal. This is not fun..lethargy, fat deposition, the works.
So, please ramp down. It's fairly easy and it saves you the trouble of 8 weeks of low T3 levels, which aren't fun at all. Take approximately 4 weeks to ramp down from 50mcg to 12.5mcg, ramping down 12.5mcg/week. if you want to go the extra mile, and have a very good pill cutter, you can go down to 6.25mcg for another week....but breaking those tiny T3 pills (25mcg) into 4 squares is almost next to impossible...they tend to just shatter. But if you can do it, by all means, give it a shot.

8. Once ramped down.....there will be a brief 1-2 week period where T3 levels, and TSH levels will be slightly sub-normal. Here is where supplements come in. The three best are:

1. Acetyl-l-Tyrosine ( For thyroid hormone production and alertness)
2. Green Tea...to maintain a thermogenic state that does not favor fat deposition due to slightly lowered T3 levels. And is not an adrenergic drug (Non-stimulative), therfore has no effect on the thyroid. About 900mg ECGC's/day is good enough. You can go higher if you wish, but some people have reported slight anxiety at higher doses.
4. And the most important: 7-oxo-DHEA..I prefer the liquid form to the pill/powder form because of better absorption, but in pill form 300mg/day.
7-oxo-DHEA btw increases the levels of T3 and T4 ENDOGENEOUSLY, which is obviously a huge boost during those 2 weeks.

And after those 2 weeks....your T3, T4, and TSH levels should be right on spec.

With the current crop of new supplements which have much better absorption than the old crop, a T3 cycle is really not as dangerous as you think. You just need the right supplements and a good plan of attack.

Don't you think you 1 and 2 are a far fetched. The automatic presence of T3 causes someone to go catabolic?? That would mean that we are all catabolic due to thyroid's natural production. Children grow and get bigger magically without any AAS or increased diet even though children have raging hormones. Definitly some generalizations in those 2 items.

We need need to take into account
1. The person's natural T3 count
2. The dosage they are taking
3. The person's diet

From my understanding of the subject (which is limitied I will say)
1. amino acids
2. glutamine peptides
3. insulin / IGF-1 / GH
4. http://www.nutriline.org/methoxy.htm

I didn't know methoxy increased protein synthesis but the link seems to say that it does. But there are other chemicals that increase protein sythesis besides AAS , this is for sure.

I have read alot about this T3 / catabolism issue and want to learn more in terms of dosages of T3 and results.

 

[shortstack]

Could you be more specific?

honestly, i had a big disscusiion about this, it was either on here or anabolicreview, and i really dont want to get into it again... do a search