Thoughts on a second Test Enanthate cycle?

[Roush]

1-12 test E 500mg split mon/thursday
2-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod
4-12 hcgenerate
13 HCG 1000ius x2 wk
PCT.
14-17 unleashed/post cycle
14-17 clomid 25/25/25/25
14-19 form stanzol
14-19 Daa powder 3g's a day

any questions please feel free to ask

So I’ve spent a few days researching the ingredients that I didn’t initially understand, along with a few other topics, and of course have a few more questions

1.) I’d love to run 500-600mg of test e, but am under the impression the potential for hair loss is far less under 400. I ran the last 5wks of my first cycle @525mg and felt some light shedding for a couple of months. Obviously the gains would be better at 500-600, so any thoughts on at what dose hair loss becomes a more common side? And would you know if adding finasteride and nizoral to the mix make a difference?
(This is the one side that bugs me the most, as there doesn't seem to be an easy answer short of Bic'ing your head if you're prone to MPB lol

2.) The more I research the more I’d like to add dbol or Var to the beginning of this cycle (I realize dbol’s not hairline friendly, but I’m REALLY curious what it’s like). I feel that I learned enough on my first cycle to not push my luck with doses, and love the idea of kick starting with something that works fast, and is good for the tendons/collagen synthesis. I’m thinking dbol @20-25mg/d or Var @30mg for the first 4 weeks. Does this sound ok?

3.) If I add a 4wk kicker of dbol or Var, would you change anything about the suggested pct?

4.) The only ingredients listed in your suggestion that I’m skeptical about are hcgenerate instead of hcg, and the lack of nolva in PCT. Could you give me a little more info, or point me towards some that would to help to get me off the fence on these?

I’m excited to be closing in on a completed shopping list, and excited to try a few new things like aromasin/hcg/unleashed/Daa. Looking to place some orders in the next few weeks, and start this cycle mid January.

Thanks again for the help, and the advice you’ve given others!

 

[Roush]

I meant to add that I already know you'll recommend N2Guard if I add an oral, which seems like a good product for support

 

[notjake11]

Dbol is often used as a kicker, but your var does is too low (should be 60) and var is a better finisher rather than kickstart. You could kickstart with dbol the furst four weeks and end with var the last six.

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[Sinister613]

Or tbol kicker to keep a bit leaner/less bloat. If no concern about bloat, i got huge gains on anadrol, mmmm.

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[Roush]

Dbol is often used as a kicker, but your var does is too low (should be 60) and var is a better finisher rather than kickstart. You could kickstart with dbol the furst four weeks and end with var the last six.

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Yeah I forgot that Var was a batter finisher, but don't think I'll be doing 60 any time soon after my last experience. I know some guys take 100 for months with no sides, but I'm pretty cautious about it now - thus the low dose.

Thanks for the comment though.

 

[dylangemelli]

Yeah I forgot that Var was a batter finisher, but don't think I'll be doing 60 any time soon after my last experience. I know some guys take 100 for months with no sides, but I'm pretty cautious about it now - thus the low dose.

Thanks for the comment though.

Under 60 is a waste

 

[Roush]

Under 60 is a waste

I get that you know 100x more about this stuff than I do, and have heard before that less than 50 is a waste, but I know guys who have done 30 for a month or two and have seen results (guys who already work out on a regular basis).

I also know that in less than a month of far less than 60/d I got shut down ,which I was also told wouldn't happen. I'd agree that that would fall into the "waste of time" category, but some guys may think that by "waste" you mean will have no effects... less than 60 does have an effect on you, just that the sides some people feel aren't worth the gains. Probably what you meant

 

[nickb86]

So I’ve spent a few days researching the ingredients that I didn’t initially understand, along with a few other topics, and of course have a few more questions

1.) I’d love to run 500-600mg of test e, but am under the impression the potential for hair loss is far less under 400. I ran the last 5wks of my first cycle @525mg and felt some light shedding for a couple of months. Obviously the gains would be better at 500-600, so any thoughts on at what dose hair loss becomes a more common side? And would you know if adding finasteride and nizoral to the mix make a difference?
(This is the one side that bugs me the most, as there doesn't seem to be an easy answer short of Bic'ing your head if you're prone to MPB lol

no set rule really its indervidual and how a person reacts, if your worried about the hair thing run the N2shampoo along your cycle as will greatly reduce any losses
N2 Shampoo - blocking DHT in the scalp.

2.) The more I research the more I’d like to add dbol or Var to the beginning of this cycle (I realize dbol’s not hairline friendly, but I’m REALLY curious what it’s like). I feel that I learned enough on my first cycle to not push my luck with doses, and love the idea of kick starting with something that works fast, and is good for the tendons/collagen synthesis. I’m thinking dbol @20-25mg/d or Var @30mg for the first 4 weeks. Does this sound ok?

id run the dbol kicker instead of a var one

3.) If I add a 4wk kicker of dbol or Var, would you change anything about the suggested pct?

No pct changes however you need to run n2guard alongside your oral kickstart so wks 1-4 you can preload it 1/2 weeks b4 cycle starts, but i just run alonside the oral.

4.) The only ingredients listed in your suggestion that I’m skeptical about are hcgenerate instead of hcg, and the lack of nolva in PCT. Could you give me a little more info, or point me towards some that would to help to get me off the fence on these?

If you look all over this board nolva is not popular have a little read and understand why if your in doubt and then decide for your self, there loads of info on here. HCG alone run wk 6-12 500ius x2 a week, hecgenerate is a good product but if your not sure run your hcg like that and youll be good, could have the blast at the end but i think youll be ok.

I’m excited to be closing in on a completed shopping list, and excited to try a few new things like aromasin/hcg/unleashed/Daa. Looking to place some orders in the next few weeks, and start this cycle mid January.

Thanks again for the help, and the advice you’ve given others!

No problem buddy me in bold above ^^^^^

 

[Roush]

Thanks much for the reply