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goku_kakarot77
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im naturally vascular, at week 4 at 400mgs eq and 500 test, my veins defeintly got thicker,
This is why I love EQ.
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bbkingpin
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All I am saying, bro, is it's just more hype.enacer420nj said:
bodyfat reduction caused vascularity, not EQ. Most ppl do not have fat forearms and if they are pumped it is normal to have veins protruding. I don't think your forearms are convincing insofar as your conclusion that EQ caused vascularity.
What do you mean nobody told me to post here?
Am I the only one who posted without a formal invitation???
sensational
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bbkingpin said:All I am saying, bro, is it's just more hype.
bodyfat reduction caused vascularity, not EQ. Most ppl do not have fat forearms and if they are pumped it is normal to have veins protruding. I don't think your forearms are convincing insofar as your conclusion that EQ caused vascularity.
What do you mean nobody told me to post here?
Am I the only one who posted without a formal invitation???
Only true to a point.
You say bodyfat reduction increases vascularity which is true. However, you are completely missing the boat as to why EQ increases vascularity. It dramatically increases the production of Red blood Cells, which in turn increases blood volume, which will make the veins bulge a little bit more due to increased pressure.
Your argument is based on only half of the story of vascularity. EQ is not hype, it has been proven by bro-ology many a time to increase vascularity above and beyond what other steroids do.
enacer420nj
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bbkingpin said:All I am saying, bro, is it's just more hype.
bodyfat reduction caused vascularity, not EQ. Most ppl do not have fat forearms and if they are pumped it is normal to have veins protruding. I don't think your forearms are convincing insofar as your conclusion that EQ caused vascularity.
What do you mean nobody told me to post here?
Am I the only one who posted without a formal invitation???
I dont know bro, I just started this thread when I was on EQ and veins were sick. I ran deca/test and never had vascularity like that so it is what it is, maybe I shoulda made thread "this is why I love aas" and as far as you posting here all Im saying is you were the only person that had something to say that could could be interpreted as you being rude. im/text is always fucked up as far how people perceive message thast probably why smileys faces and what not were made. I woulda let this thread die long ago beleive me...but personally ive run deca by itself (before knowledge from this board) deca and test and test/eq...the test/eq gets my veins bulging is all I was trying to say, anyway no hard feelings bro
bbkingpin
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Sorry to be condescending. Just trying to dispel some myths. Things like when ppl say I got gyno from deca when they were also on a half gram of test. I apologize. K to you bro.enacer420nj said:I dont know bro, I just started this thread when I was on EQ and veins were sick. I ran deca/test and never had vascularity like that so it is what it is, maybe I shoulda made thread "this is why I love aas" and as far as you posting here all Im saying is you were the only person that had something to say that could could be interpreted as you being rude. im/text is always fucked up as far how people perceive message thast probably why smileys faces and what not were made. I woulda let this thread die long ago beleive me...but personally ive run deca by itself (before knowledge from this board) deca and test and test/eq...the test/eq gets my veins bulging is all I was trying to say, anyway no hard feelings bro
bbkingpin said:
you're a fool, god told me so. pull your pants up over your skinny ass legs and take a walk. better yet, you go back to your church and you sign up for a mission to afghanistan. when you get there, you tell all the children eating rocks and sticks (bc thats all god ever gave them) that god gave you the strength to get through a set of squats with steroids. then, when you're all done with your bs story, you can roll up your jeans and compare your skinnies with their skinnies. dumbest thing ive ever heard: "jesus juices".
bbkingpin
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I never said God told me so.jjaas said:
I give all glory to God for everything.
Let's see your "massive" legs, post a pic with you holding a recent headline so we know it's recent and it's you.
Who said Jesus juices?
Broad is the road to destruction, many find it, so you follow your path and I will follow mine.
The Bible says a lot about "fools" and "foolish" people, and it is never referring to those who fear God, praise God, thank God, the Bible is referring to doubters and scoffers like you when the Bible refers to fools.
cobracock1979
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Well I gotta say... If you boys wanna put it down to Jesus Ill respect your opinion, though I completely disagree.
Glory to thos who get out of bed a 6 for am cardio
Glory to thos who get out of bed a 6 for am cardio
bbkingpin
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jjaas said:
bbkingpin said:
jjaas said:
"The person who wishes to boast should boast only of what the Lord has done." 1 Corinthians 1: 31
"What makes you better than anyone else? What do you have that God hasn't given you? And if all you have is from God, why boast as though you have accomplished something on your own?" 1 Corinthians 4:7
Jesus never said anything about steroids nor did he say a lot about other specific things that were not in existence (like aas, drugs other than wine -- e.g., pills, street drugs, etc.) during his life. How do I justify taking steroids instead of relying on natural training?
Because the Bible says: "Delight in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart." I really love bodybuilding.
Other point is, the Bible does not say a lot about this/that is wrong, but it requires you to check your motives. So, I've had this dilemma about taking aas, based on my faith. The principles I rely on while taking aas are "Let nothing take the place of God in your heart" which to me means don't rely on and give credit to drugs or myself, but remain thankful to God and rely on him for the strength and motivation to eat right, train hard, and to make the surpassing of prior achievements or achieving goals a testament to God's glory, and not my own. Without God, I am Satan's puppet. I can easily start taking drugs and drinking and then see how I look and how my bodybuilding accomplishments would begin to dwindle. (I am speaking from experience.)
Other principle from Bible: "Run from anything that stimulates youthful lust (2 Timothy 2:22) and seek that which makes you want to do what's right." SO, I have to remember, when I am looking buff and strong and cut, and women are noticing, I have to avoid the temptation, not commit evil with the gift God has given me, not contemplate adultery, but just train and achieve the physique that gives me great delight and use it for the glory of God, not to be used for evil -- i.e. coveting, adultery, sexual immorality.
Any bros (vets and mods) who know me from over the years know this is a new man talking. I've been through a lot over the last year and it's God that pulled me through the muck and mire I got myself into, and it's Jesus Christ who revealed to me He is Lord and He loves me.
Go back and check my old posts. I was a very un-spiritual person. BUT, now I give all glory to God. He and He alone deserves it. Again, without God, I am Satan's puppet. (Satan says: "Drink this, it will make you feel good" "swallow this pill," "snort this," "pursue women not your wife," "attack this person out of pride," ... the list is endless.)
And remember, God opposes the proud. Who am I to take credit for what God has given me? (because I know that I asked God for what I have; so, how can I now take the credit???).
THAT IS WHERE I AM COMING FROM, BROS!
I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE EVER FOR WITNESSING FOR OUR LORD. AND I WELCOME ANYONE'S PERSECUTION OF ME FOR MY DEVOTION TO OUR LORD BECAUSE, AS THE DISCIPLES SAID IN THE BOOK OF ACTS, IT IS AN HONOR TO BE BEATEN AND FLOGGED AND JAILED FOR YOUR DEVOTION TO OUR LORD, CHRIST. ("So you must never be ashamed to tell others about our Lord." 2 Timothy 1:8)
So, I welcome your persecution.
I am a new man fellows. I still love bodybuilding. But I have to remember "God gives and God takes away," "God opposes the Proud but blesses the humble," "Delight in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart," and there's a lot more in the Bible to affirm what I am doing so long as it is with the right motives (not evil motives) and so long as my faith remains strong. Remember, a convicted criminal, nailed to a cross next to Jesus, through faith, was assured by Jesus that, this day, we shall be in paradise together.
Again bros, peace. I am a new man. ("What this means is that those who become Christians become new persons. They are not the same anymore, for the old life is gone. A new life has begun!" 2 Corinthians 5:17) But I still love to train
And I went 8 months cold turkey until I was able to learn from Bible and confirm that the Bible is not against bodybuilding or taking steroids, so long as my motives are pure, not intended for evil
My body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, so I should build it so it brings glory to God but remember never to use it for evil. ("No one hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ cares for the church." Ephesians 5:29) "Run from sexual sin!No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself. For God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body." 1 Corinthians 6:18-20.
I know this sounds like gibberish to many: "But people who aren't Christians can't understand these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them because only those who have the Spirit can understand what the Spirit means." 1 Corinthians 2:14
And for those who continue to scoff and ridicule and do not believe, there are many many more just like you. For Jesus said: "I am not saying these things to all of you. I know the ones I have chosen." John 13:18
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enacer420nj
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ROFL
bbkingpin
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And please post pics of your legs which make mine skinny in comparison. Maybe you can show that you have achieved so much more without God than me, who has achieved much from God for which I am thankful.jjaas said:
Please show us those legs, you non-skinny man's man.
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bbkingpin
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One more thing you pagan, Jesus said: "Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world." John 16:33jjaas said:
God promised man a "bed of roses" -- the garden of Eden -- but it was man, under the influence of the lies of the serpent Satan, who got himself thrown out of the Garden of Eden to forevermore work for his food by the sweat of his brow.
So, quit blaming God for all the sorrows in the world. If the Afghan children knew of Christ and his love and power to overcome Satan ("But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil" 1 John 3:8), and knew the power of prayer, they would not be "eating rocks and sticks" -- which is a bunch of bullshit from you anyway. They eat goats maybe but they get nourishment. I am sure they don't have the obesity problems of the USA. But, is that a bad thing?
The bible makes clear that the ruler of this world is Satan. But his time is short, he will be cast into hell at God's appointed time. (Two demon possessed men began screaming at Jesus, "Why are you interfering with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torture us before God's appointed time?" Matthew 8:28-29). And Satan knows it and that's why Satan is working so hard to bring as many souls down to hell with him. Satan is the cause of all death, destruction, and misery in the world. SO QUIT BLAMING GOD! AND QUIT SPEAKING AS IF YOU EVEN HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT THE TRUTH IS, THE TRUTH AS REVEALED BY THE WORD OF GOD. YOU KNOW NOTHING, THIS IS NOW CLEARLY EVIDENT TO ME.
And for the Afghan children suffering, I would tell them this:
"Can anything ever separate us from Christ's love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or are hungry or cold or in danger or threatened with death?
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And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from his love. Death can't and life can't. The angels can't, and the demons can't. Our fears for today, our worries about tomorrow, and even the powers of hell can't keep God's love away." ROMANS 8:35-38
SO, FROM NOW ON, WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR ASSERTIONS, BACK THEM UP! YOU PRATTLE ON AND ON FROM YOUR OWN FOOLISHNESS, CHALLENGING THE WORD OF GOD, WHICH HAS BEEN PRESERVED AND HAS ENDURED THOUSANDS OF YEARS (EVEN THOUGH IT WAS FIRST WRITTEN ON DRIED ANIMAL SKIN USING WHO KNOWS WHAT FOR INK, BUT IT MEANT LIFE TO THOSE WHO RECEIVED IT FROM GOD AND PRESERVED IT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.)
WHO ARE YOU?
WHO ARE YOU TO CHALLENGE THE WORD OF GOD?
WHO ARE YOU TO CHALLENGE MY FAITH?
THOUSANDS OF YEARS FROM NOW, I AM SURE THERE WILL NOT BE A BOOK OF JJAAS OR EVEN A MEMORY OF YOU OR ANYTHING YOU HAVE EVER DONE.
WHO ARE YOU TO MOCK ME? WHO ARE YOU TO MOCK THE WORD OF GOD?
This post is not meant for you, it's meant for the rest. You are not worth the effort. But I will not sit by and let you mock my Lord, my God, my faith, which will influence others, my bros and vets and mods that know me, and make them question their faith. I want all to tell themselves, with regard to you and your bs posts: CONSIDER THE SOURCE!
And remember this, my bros:
Best advice is stay away from this jjaas, for the following:
PSALM 1 states:
Oh, the joys of those who do not
follow the advice of the wicked,
or stand around with sinners,
or join in with mockers.
2 But they delight in the law of the Lord,
meditating on it day and night.
3 They are like trees planted along the riverbank,
bearing fruit each season.
Their leaves never wither,
and they prosper in all they do.
4 But not the wicked!
They are like worthless chaff, scattered by the wind.
5 They will be condemned at the time of judgment.
Sinners will have no place among the godly.
6 For the Lord watches over the path of the godly,
but the path of the wicked leads to destruction.
Peace out, bros!
sensational
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bbkingpin said:
Not only is this bad bro material, this is a bad representation of the Christian faith.
Maybe if you were forgiving, humble, and not so stand-offish your words could be taken at face value.
However, you sound like an angry self-righteous bible thumper. Bible thumping does not make anyone want to convert, only love does. The mark of the true Christian is love and the way they treat everyone.
I truly believe the most effective way to convert someone is for them to notice the difference in your life as compared to yours; so they can look at you and say "This person is caring, others minded, non-judgmental, and overall very genial.
There is a delicate balance between grace and truth, however I believe all humans should always embrace grace and let God handle truth and judgment.
Further, the person you are criticizing has a right to be critical of the word of God if it turns people into angry, self-righteous, defensive bible-thumpers.
Just my .02.
cobracock1979
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sensational said:
+ 1, karma
Cardinal Slin
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I am currently on dbol and test and have the same on my forearms
bbkingpin
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You just called me a "angry, self-righteous, defensive bible-thumpers"sensational said:
He started this by calling me a "fool"
The whole point of my original post was to be humble, not proud, giving all thanks to God.
Now you have engaged in name calling.
He started this with name calling.
I went to great lengths to defend myself from his attacks of being called a fool and a lot worse.
Tell me where in any post I called him a name.
I addressed all of his baseless assertions with reference to scripture.
Being humble does not mean being a lamb for the slaughter. Jesus already died for me, and only he was a worthy sacrifice. That's why he was sent, and he rose from the dead to conquer death and satan.
My intention, and directive from Jesus Christ, from the Word, is to go out and be a witness to all the nations, to the ends of the Earth.
In this thread, I am witnessing and testifying as to the truth and of the transformation that Jesus Christ has made in my life.
Bible thumper? That's the way I used to think also. But now, I know that the word of God is the centerpiece of being a Christian, and all of the rituals like communion, ashes on forehead, no meat on Friday, veneration of saints (other humans) which reverts to polytheism, confession to priests (many pedophiles) -- none of these things have any basis in the Bible, in God's Word.
Bible thumper? That's derogatory. I am a Bible believing Christian and, as I said, It is an honor to be attacked by you with your baseless assertions and baseless presumptions (baseless because you do not know God's word, that's for bible thumpers like me), and it was told by Jesus that all those who follow him would be subject to persecution, like I am being right now. It is an honor. You think you are religious because of your rituals. You are guilty of all the misguidance and hypocrisy that Jesus accused the Pharisees and religious scholars of and, for which, they had him crucified.
I read the Word of God. So call me a bible thumper. Your compadre can call me a fool. But the Bible suggests your compadre is foolish.
I am done defending these unfounded statements and accusations because most do not have "eyes to see" or "ears to hear" because their hearts have been hardened and they are blinded to the truth.
Open the Bible, you might find out where those words come from and what they mean.
So sad, so blind, you seem to be. Praise God for His grace of opening my eyes, showing me the truth and the light, making me a believer. I was once, a short time ago, very much like you. Thought I was "religious" and had God, but I did not know God's word, and God's word is everything. Knowing God has nothing to do with religious rituals/customs. I relied on those rituals, I lived for myself, I was a sinner and still am like us all, but I have been born again, baptized but, this time, not as a baby by my parents wishes, but as an adult making a lifetime commitment to Jesus Christ by my own will and faith.
So keep it coming. Attack, ridicule, I am just holding out for a few believers to read this and to be emboldened and strengthened in their faith. There are not many of us believers. Lots of religious people, who perform rituals, and then do whatever they want that pleases them, thinking they have some right to go to heaven. I know I am a sinner, I know I have been saved, I know it's a long road ahead and a lot of temptation lies before me, but I now know that through the Lord, Jesus Christ, I too can overcome the world (my own sinful, evil desires, the wicked ways of the world we live in, and satan's attacks).
And as for anger, read the story of Lazarus, raised from the dead and how Jesus Christ was angry -- "angry" -- due to the lack of faith of the mourners.
Read the story of Jesus, angry, furious, when he chased out the money changers from the Temple, accusing them of turning his Father's house into a "den of thieves."
Anger is sanctioned in the Bible. The difference between our world and bible is this.
World says: Don't get mad, get even.
Bible, in essence, says: Don't get even, get mad.
Anger is justified in response to lies and injustice.
It is revenge and returning evil for evil that is prohibited.
Throughout this thread, I defended my faith with the truth. Not with name-calling.
So, again, please stop pretending to know what you are talking about if you have no knowledge of the Word of God. I am not being condescending. I am nobody. I am a sinner. Without Jesus Christ, I am Satan's puppet. I ALREADY STATED THAT IN PRIOR POST. Quit throwing out accusations that are not true. I am a proud disciple of Jesus Christ. So kill me. Try it. Jesus already died for me. So, now, I can live for him. I will defend the glory of his name against non-believers like you. Christ was not weak. He was the Son of God. His followers were fishermen. Fishermen are tough guys, weather beaten, calloused hands, hard workers. Jesus Christ was a carpenter. He worked with his hands. He gave his life, no one took it from Him. He is the man's man, not you, not jjaas, not rambo. He is the Lord of Lord and King of Kings and only He is worthy of our praise and honor and veneration.
But you go ahead and throw things out at me off the top of your head, which is filled with anything but the Word of God.
I have no more time to waste.
Praise be the name of Jesus Christ forever and ever. Amen.
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sensational
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Way to make Christianity look retarded.
There is no point arguing with someone who does not have an open mind.
There is no point arguing with someone who does not have an open mind.
bbkingpin said:
You can pervert the word anyway you like but I'll always be there to set you straight. I'll debate theology with anyone, I love it but there's one rule: you cannot reference any holy book. this is usually where the discussion stops. to me, the bible is "number one fiction"-the best selling book of fables. all the concepts in it I have no time for: jesus, angel, sinner, hell, heaven, heathen, etc,ect. they just dont have any place in my world. I'll challenge your busted ass faith anytime you see fit to post it. yes, if you dont want the truth, stay away from jjaas. if you want a bunch of lies, go see the gas bag bbkingpin.
ps: jesus never existed
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sardonicone
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Burpees said:
God's an asshole. He can just think "vasuclarity and bigger muscles" and it happens.
That's the ultimate form of cheating imho.
Personally, I don't find it amusing when someone is attacking somebody's religion. I love a good debate- especially when it's comical back and forth banter. I think some of the latest comments, though, are pretty harsh and have gone past the purpose of this forum....maybe take it up elsewhere? Thanks.
Just my 2
Just my 2
enacer420nj
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Come on guys I wasnt trying to start a holy war so I dont know how god got brought into this...
sardonicone
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sshadoww said:
So you go around bombing people for no good reason? Yeah, that's very mature. What are you, 12?
Obviously you're either too dim-witted or uptight to take a joke.
bbkingpin
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You brought up my legs and said pull your pants up. I posted link to pic and gave thanks to God for my leg development.ryno9000 said:
I was then called a "fool" ... that's what started it. Not you, you were joking.
I was called a fool by someone else, and my acknowledging God as the source of my achievements and my proclamation of Jesus Christ as my Lord provoked name-calling, as well as attacks on my beliefs, attacks of which I felt strongly compelled to defend.
As already stated, let's let it end here. Now, it is out of my hands. I have spoken, so has my detractor (who has just said he will let it end), and now it is out of my hands.
I just wanted you, ryno9000, to know, remember, or recall how it started. An innocent joke by you, followed by a response by me wherein I gave credit to God (because I have been complimented by many bros on EF when I first posted that pic, a few years ago) and only God deserves the credit, and I was called a fool and misquoted.
But I forgive. I spoke my mind and my beliefs and I have no animosity for anyone on this thread. None. It is out of my hands now.
sardonicone said:
EF is about good bro's helping each other in a positive way...attacking people- as you've done here again- doesn't adhere to those guidelines. If you wanna flame someone about issues that don't have anything to do with this forum- take it to another board...otherwise- BOOM
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