This is whats WRONG with AAS usage to me

[calveless wonder]

Ok, this is pissing me off.....
the ones who have said that genetics play a small role or arent really a factor are full of shit. How many black guys have do you know/have seen that are massive and absolutely ripped? Some of these guys have never touched a weight in their lives. I worked out at a mostly black gym for 3 months and alot of the bigger guys had no sense of form and the guys i talked to knew nothign about strict diets... yet most of them looked better than 95% of white guys who train.
now compare that to lets say....an asian guy who busts his ass at the gym, eats properly and does everything he can to grow.
lets be honest, there are many different backgrounds and genetics that come along with those....to say that genetics are not a big factor is absolute bullshit. Do you really think a guy who's italian and a guy who's from india are gonna make the same progress if they both did everything correct to its optimum level? how many massive asian (chinese, japanese, korean) guys do you know?..might have seen one or two, but theres not many.

Yes, genetics can be overcome to an extent but it makes things alot more difficult and lengthens the process considerably, and to say it doesnt heavily factor is just ignorant.

 

[bigsonrising]

AAP, that must be where your sig came from???

And you're gay??

 

[Tiervexx]

AAP- Yep, that guy looks like he trains. I got a kid I train in thai boxing that is about 5'7 140 lbs that would probably hand you your ass in about 5 seconds.

Big muscles are usually just that- for show, no athletic ability whatsoever. In fact, most the big bodybuilders that come in to train muay thai can't even skip rope for 30 seconds without giving up.

In my gym YOU would be the pussy, and you would be looked down upon.

Make sense, toughguy?

Your making a very foolish assumption. Many big body builders don't give a shit about speed or shape but some do. The wrestling coach at my school is very well muscled and is a judo instructor. I know that you and the people you train could make short work of many of the slow block heads out there regardless of size, but if you ever met a serious weightlifter in comparable shape you would learn the meaning of the word helplessness.