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Anthony Roberts
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hyperplasia said:
Ironically, those two boards are where the latest sponsors who got dumped are not welcome. Or...maybe it's not ironic.
The Importance Of Steroids
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Ironically, those two boards are where the latest sponsors who got dumped are not welcome. Or...maybe it's not ironic.
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VooDooChild
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Anthony Roberts said:
I dont care what part of the world you went to prison at, wether its recognized as such in the USA or not. Your still a convicted felon(ex con) anyway you look at it..
So your going to tell me, if you did time for murder in europe, your not considered a murderer anywhere else?
CO B-man
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Is this another Illusory ban threat? I have had much support. Where are all the people that are laughing at me? Where are all the people that it is obvious to that I do not know what I am talking about? Where are your little soldiers? And finally why must you keep this going havent you had enough? Youve been bitch slapped every which way in hereAnthony Roberts said:
CO B-man
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This is from one of your loyal teamates Mr ELITE rugby player are you going to deny this too? OF COURSE YOU ARE Thats what you do. When the truth comes out threaten to get someone banned instead of debate very mature for an ex-con:
Well I'll be damned. After reading the "truth about AR" it turns out I played rugby with him on the North East College All Star team.
He says he is such a great athlete, his ass was not even the starting hooker on that team!! The 1999 team started was a fella from UCon named Matt Schraeger (sp?). The coach let good ol' superstar AR start one game. He was getting his ass smacked so hard he was replaced at half time and didn't see another minute of play. The 2000 team, which I was not on, but one of my good friends was the starting Prop so I went to most of their games and kept up with the team, he confirmed for me a kid by the name of Dane Franklin was the starting #2.
And as far as going to New Zealand to play, ALL of us were invited to go and "train" with some of the teams there. the problem is you had to pay your whole way.
What little respect I had for AR is now totally gone since I found out who he REALLY is!!
Well I'll be damned. After reading the "truth about AR" it turns out I played rugby with him on the North East College All Star team.
He says he is such a great athlete, his ass was not even the starting hooker on that team!! The 1999 team started was a fella from UCon named Matt Schraeger (sp?). The coach let good ol' superstar AR start one game. He was getting his ass smacked so hard he was replaced at half time and didn't see another minute of play. The 2000 team, which I was not on, but one of my good friends was the starting Prop so I went to most of their games and kept up with the team, he confirmed for me a kid by the name of Dane Franklin was the starting #2.
And as far as going to New Zealand to play, ALL of us were invited to go and "train" with some of the teams there. the problem is you had to pay your whole way.
What little respect I had for AR is now totally gone since I found out who he REALLY is!!
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Anthony Roberts
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CO B-man said:
I started one game that year, vs/ the south, and I started 1-2 the next year (I forget, but I know I scored a try in one of the games). Most of the time the hooker was replaced at the half, as you know... both years, whether it was me or not. I also came in at Flank one game in my first year. Then I played in NZ (I was a replacement for several games on the senior first side of my Team in NZ, started for the senior Seconds, and then was a replacement at that level also. Currently I play on a team in the national sweet 16, though after playing all fall, a knee injury put me out of this season.
What's your problem with that? I played at a level that less than 14 players each year at my position can claim to have....And I think out of 6 all star games, I started 2-3, though I forget now...basically half of my career in the all stars, I got to start...twice I came in after the half...
I was also the first player from my Union to make it in many years, and one of the only second division players from there to ever make it.
Truth be told, I never regained my form after trying out and playing for the Mens Club level all stars, where I blew my knee out on turf.
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Anthony Roberts
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CO B-man said:A.) :Frlol:
B.)would like to se more proof besides you just denying.
C.) I, I, me, I, me me, my, I insecurity peaking!
Whatever...the thing about people "In the know" is that there's really not too many people here "in the know" about the upper levels of the industry. If you don't know the owners of the biggest sites personally, and the large nutritional companies, and biggest UG's...then how can you be in the know?
At the lower levels it's all just gossip about us at the top.
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odoyal rulez
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Goddamn, the ownage in this thread should be rated NC-17..its too brutal for virgin eyes...
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Anthony Roberts
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CO B-man said:A.)
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C.) I, I, me, I, me me, my, I insecurity peaking!
C. Does it suck that I continue to write for every major steroid site, and earn a good living from it, while you have to pay $200/month to be a COB here, while I'm given that for free?
You're so "in the know" and so well versed that you never even made mod here, and another member was promoted above the COBs to mod status. That's how in the know and respected you are. You're so respected that you pay $200/month to see the mod forum, and you confuse that with your input in there being welcomed. You're a joke.
CO B-man
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I am at a much higher level than anyone! thats how you self proclaim your status. Saying it means diddly shit. The proof is in the pudding. You say you know this guy you say you know that guy perfect con artist material. I can say I am at the top of whatever I want but where is the proof?Anthony Roberts said:
and yet again another I AR am at the TOP insecurity statement! ex-con but current con-artist
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Anthony Roberts
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CO B-man said:
I'm not saying it....I'm reminding you that you pay $200/month for something that I'm given for free. That's our relative status. You pay for something that is mine for free. Enjoy, because you're paying for me to be here.
CO B-man
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Anthony Roberts said:
Many con artists appear to be something at first until people like me expose the truth
Are you kidding me? Is mod some kind of major accomplishment in life to strive for. You are trying to twist andillude to get people on your side but it is not working. Childs play is what you are all about. You have the maturity of an infant. And lets rethink what you just said asswipe. You DO pay for your COTB membership through your paid sponsorship Id be willing to bet on that. If you did not pay for that your ass would be out the door as quick as shit. You think you are respected? <--- HUGE joke.
All you use is words. You expect people to believe what you say anymore after in this thread alone I exposed a ton of BS/Flat out Lies and illusions from you. Where are your facts about me not being what I say there Tonto?
My life and accomplishments include putting myself through college (Not an ex con) have an Engineering degree where I am the guy for what I do for the the entire WEST coast for an 8 BILLION dollar company that is expected to double in the next couple years!
Beat that!
Oh yeah did I mention I am not an EX CON and can be trusted more than one who already proved in this thread he lies. AR --> I am not an ex-con the AR---> when I spent time in prison WTF is that???
Give up because truthfully I am enjoying bitch slapping an idiot that keeps this going!!
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Anthony Roberts
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CO B-man said:
I don't pay for sponsorship here. Wrong again. I love when you say stuff that' shows how little you know. You're pretty "in the know", huh? I don't pay, and never have paid, a single dime to be anywhere.
solidspine
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We have a number of self proclaimed experts on this board
Who really lack humility?
Humility deserves respect, as do credentials and talent.
However personal opinions are simply personal opinions
and do not warrant any more attention because they are given by one poster
claiming to be an expert,
I don’t see any experts here, just self proclaimed experts,
Who really lack humility?
Humility deserves respect, as do credentials and talent.
However personal opinions are simply personal opinions
and do not warrant any more attention because they are given by one poster
claiming to be an expert,
I don’t see any experts here, just self proclaimed experts,
CO B-man
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GUESS WHAT THESE ARE???
Don't make me laugh like this when I'm eating
on the money, let truth and reason reign
Hells Yea.
thanks, i hate that fucking guy
very nice tearing AR up. I'd give you alot more karma if I could
lol
that bitch needs slapped!
I think I'm going to run out of k on this thread.
once again i salute you
YUP JUST A FEW SAMPLES OF THE K MESSAGES I GOT FOR YOUR EXPOSURE AND THIS EXCITING BITCH SLAPPING CONTEST.
Don't make me laugh like this when I'm eating
on the money, let truth and reason reign
Hells Yea.
thanks, i hate that fucking guy
very nice tearing AR up. I'd give you alot more karma if I could
lol
that bitch needs slapped!
I think I'm going to run out of k on this thread.
once again i salute you
YUP JUST A FEW SAMPLES OF THE K MESSAGES I GOT FOR YOUR EXPOSURE AND THIS EXCITING BITCH SLAPPING CONTEST.
MichaelScott
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give him hell co-bman
Mac173
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CO B-man said:Yours is free. LOL
I seem to have lots of support in this thread LOTS and LOTS and LOTS and LOTS been hit many times with green for the Anthony Roberts ownage and you say I HAVE NO respect. LOL! Your mirror is smokey fellow turn on your fan
Keep it up
EF has your back.
CO B-man
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Your smoke cloud is not working people in here are smarter than you think. I clearly stated it saying I was willing to bet to show I did not know for sure. I admitted from day one that I paid for my COTB because the n=money is really nothing to me. I even paid a couple hundred for simply getting karma so I could give it out. money means nothing to me mr I recently moved out of my mommies place into a NJ apartment because I am going to be big some day! PFFFFFffffffftAnthony Roberts said:
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Anthony Roberts
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CO B-man said:
It's always like that when people get banned and their cronies stay around...don't worry, in a month people won't remember them or you. Believe me.
Also...as for being an expert...if you name an "expert" in this field, it's more than likely that I know them and/or have worked with them. Can you say the same? You're a geek who posts on message boards in his spare time, and pays to do so. Have a nice life.
Some people play "warCraft" and you play EliteFitness. Played, I mean.
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Phaded
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oh shit a roberts is getting completely owned..
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Anthony Roberts
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CO B-man said:
Yea...tons of respect. You never made it to mod, because nobody respects you, so you paid to get access to that forum.
Regardless of how many people send you little K messages, you know that you never earned the respect of the membership enough to earn your way onto staff, so you bought a pseudo-staff-membership.
Pathetic.
You think that the real world is the one where you adjust the color and contraast, and that's life for you...when you turn the laptop off, people forget about you. That's what the internet is...until you do something real in this industry, you're another sad hater, who lives to talk about the real people in this industry.
CO B-man
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Anthony Roberts said:
LOL Is that all you got. lol! Are you still in kindergarten? Are you going to call me a little poopy head next? Listen I know humbleness your childish words dont hurt me like they obviously would you sinc you just had to point out AGAIN
how you knw experts which I DONT believe simply bbecause you say so AGAINSee gents I will be gone after my COTB membership expires simply because I have proven AR to be a fraud left and right and all he has in this entire thread is simple name calling and NOT ONE simple fact
I have much more accomplishments to be proud of than you ever will. AND I did it all without having to be sent to prison.
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CO B-man said:LOL Is that all you got. lol! Are you still in kindergarten? Are you going to call me a little poopy head next? Listen I know humbleness your childish words dont hurt me like they obviously would you sinc you just had to point out AGAIN
See gents I will be gone after my COTB membership expires simply because I have proven AR to be a fraud left and right and all he has in this entire thread is simple name calling and NOT ONE simple fact
I have much more accomplishments to be proud of than you ever will. AND I did it all without having to be sent to prison.
co b-man WINS FATALITY!
CO B-man
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AGAIN with that. Come on do better than that. I highly doubt I would EVER put I was a mod on my resume. I hardly look at that as a major accomplishment in life.Anthony Roberts said:
Finally check thios out folks. AND This is the truth. I never claim to be a know it all in anything. BUT Look at my join date I was a newbie just about ONLY a year ago. Thats right ONLY about a year ago I stuck my first needle in my body. I knew shit! I ADMIT that because its true. I must say I learned more in ONE year than Anthony Roberts learned in his first TEN years of research accoriding to him IN THIS THREAD he knew half of what he knows today back in 2002. If I posted those which most of you have seen already you would see how NEWBIE questions they were.
Now lets get back to talking about accomplishments anthony
Your resume --> I was a mod, I am an ex-con, ---I was OWNED by basically a NEWBIE who never made mod and paid for a COTB membership, I have no proof of anything except this thread ownage.
What esle should we add to your proud resume??
Wrongun said:
Oh man, I wish I could delete the whole thread. With all the "ownage" bullshit going back and forth I'll bet 100 people clicked off the thread because it essentially became a bickering between two people and no one gives a fuck one way or the other. That's a shame, but it happens.
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Anthony Roberts
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CO B-man said:LOL Is that all you got. lol! Are you still in kindergarten? Are you going to call me a little poopy head next? Listen I know humbleness your childish words dont hurt me like they obviously would you sinc you just had to point out AGAIN
See gents I will be gone after my COTB membership expires simply because I have proven AR to be a fraud left and right and all he has in this entire thread is simple name calling and NOT ONE simple fact
I have much more accomplishments to be proud of than you ever will. AND I did it all without having to be sent to prison.
Yeah. You "proved" I was a fraud because you got rebutted in every half-truth you told. I love how you know how it is in prison, though you've never been there, and then you attack me for being there.
Do you know why everyone knows I was in? Because when I was busted I contacted every source I ever dealt with and told them to not respond to e-mails from me, or contact me or respond to me any more because I was busted and it could be a trap (I was caught buying E from a Steroid Source).
You don't know shit about shit, and you never will. As for your COTB membership, remember, I (at first) was the one who said when the idea of banning your ass came up that you should be allowed to stay. That's a fact, and a conversation I had just yesterday. Why? Because you're unimportant, and you represent the old empire here, which is just being phased out...unfortunately, most of you guys will likely choose to attack me, or the site while it happens. It's ok....we figured it would happen...
Oh wait...you're so in the know I bet you knew that already.
Remember...after you played with me on the NRU all stars, I went to NZ and played in the first division. That's the difference between us...always was, always will be.
CO B-man
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Finally lets not confuse YOUR industry with mine. I have Hundreds of Millions of Dollars of Commercial buildings all over the United states that I PERSONALLY have had a key role in developing that I can take anyone to touch see and feel. All you have is I was an ex-con and a current con artist as your legacy.Anthony Roberts said:
Very good anthony your mommy must be proud. When WHO leaves the internet they are nothing? Certainly not me!!!
CO B-man
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Anthony Roberts said:
LOL You make NO sense whatsoever and it was NOT you it was LESTAT that kept me from bannage. I do remeber that it was YOU that lied to BRR saying I posted something about EF on another site putting down EF which I KNOW was unture and challenged anyone to post it up and prove it to no avail. And AR the only one you are fooling in here with your words is yourself! The lies are pathetically obvious
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Sorry Nelson. I was in prison (and a cook at that!), and just got annoyed when someone who has never done time tells people how it is there..
GeneticMutation
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I'm not a vocal man by any means on boards - I perfer to read more than anything.
But I'll say this: on all the boards I read regularly where Roberts is a factor, I am consistently disgusted by his unprofessional behaviour and constant self-promotion of his products.
Now, I sympathize with the need to promote one's self and his products - that is business after all; however, I often feel that Roberts gives himself a little bit too much credit at times. I won't dispute the fact that he is knowledgeable on many aspects of steroid use, but insofar as to be an expert on the subject? I am not so unpurturbed of that. I'm not certain where his reputation as a "guru" comes from, though the popular consensus I have ascertained is that he is a self-styled one. In my opinion it takes more than one e-book that is basically a conglomeration of reiterated information stated by a myriad others in the past, in order to be considered a certifiable expert in a field.
Simply taking practical data posted all over the internet and data already provided by the greats like Duchaine, does not make one a certified expert. Beyond steroids purports to educate us on hormones never discussed about ever - including human growth hormone (HGH), Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Humulin-R Insulin among others. Since when did the above items ever posess a veritable lack of documentation and anecdotal evidence? Granted the other things discussed in his book like MGF are fairly new to the bodybuilding table, very little information is said in the 300 pages that hasn't really been declared previously.
Having an e-book of information previously said doesn't give much credence as to the fact Roberts is a "guru" or "expert". In actuality it can be likened to plagiarism.
In order for work to be considered one's own, one has to expand on ideas already formed and present insightful and ratiocinative theories on how to go beyond what is already known. In my opinion, Beyond Steroids doesn't achieve that and in essence fails to even approach that frontier. And being Robert's only published (I use that term loosely) source of his work (again, I use this term loosely) reveals how ignoble of a "guru" he truly is.
CO-B man, kudos for being one to say what is on the mind of myself and many others.
Roberts, I have nothing more to say about you. In my opinion, your just some kid that found a hobby in jail and decided to make a profit off of it.
Resorting to veiled threats of banning and using your "superior" influence on the boards is just a low blow that cries desperation. The boards were made for a free-flow of infromation and provocative thought. Stifling others when they disagree with you is a tyrannical form of resistance.
And if you truly and sincerely consider yourself a respectible, credible, mature and professional expert in the field of Anabolic Steroids you would not have the need to argue excessively and defend yourself against CO-B man or the multitudinous other detractors of yours out there.
You would let your actions and your work speak for yourself. Perhaps, however, in your case, your actions alone aren't enough to save you from the menacing abyss that threatens to engulf you.
But I'll say this: on all the boards I read regularly where Roberts is a factor, I am consistently disgusted by his unprofessional behaviour and constant self-promotion of his products.
Now, I sympathize with the need to promote one's self and his products - that is business after all; however, I often feel that Roberts gives himself a little bit too much credit at times. I won't dispute the fact that he is knowledgeable on many aspects of steroid use, but insofar as to be an expert on the subject? I am not so unpurturbed of that. I'm not certain where his reputation as a "guru" comes from, though the popular consensus I have ascertained is that he is a self-styled one. In my opinion it takes more than one e-book that is basically a conglomeration of reiterated information stated by a myriad others in the past, in order to be considered a certifiable expert in a field.
Simply taking practical data posted all over the internet and data already provided by the greats like Duchaine, does not make one a certified expert. Beyond steroids purports to educate us on hormones never discussed about ever - including human growth hormone (HGH), Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Humulin-R Insulin among others. Since when did the above items ever posess a veritable lack of documentation and anecdotal evidence? Granted the other things discussed in his book like MGF are fairly new to the bodybuilding table, very little information is said in the 300 pages that hasn't really been declared previously.
Having an e-book of information previously said doesn't give much credence as to the fact Roberts is a "guru" or "expert". In actuality it can be likened to plagiarism.
In order for work to be considered one's own, one has to expand on ideas already formed and present insightful and ratiocinative theories on how to go beyond what is already known. In my opinion, Beyond Steroids doesn't achieve that and in essence fails to even approach that frontier. And being Robert's only published (I use that term loosely) source of his work (again, I use this term loosely) reveals how ignoble of a "guru" he truly is.
CO-B man, kudos for being one to say what is on the mind of myself and many others.
Roberts, I have nothing more to say about you. In my opinion, your just some kid that found a hobby in jail and decided to make a profit off of it.
Resorting to veiled threats of banning and using your "superior" influence on the boards is just a low blow that cries desperation. The boards were made for a free-flow of infromation and provocative thought. Stifling others when they disagree with you is a tyrannical form of resistance.
And if you truly and sincerely consider yourself a respectible, credible, mature and professional expert in the field of Anabolic Steroids you would not have the need to argue excessively and defend yourself against CO-B man or the multitudinous other detractors of yours out there.
You would let your actions and your work speak for yourself. Perhaps, however, in your case, your actions alone aren't enough to save you from the menacing abyss that threatens to engulf you.
MichaelScott
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im pissed i read this entire thread and AR hasn't said one fucking thing worth a shit imo
solidspine
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In the borrowed words of a friend:
I never lent any credence to anything he said more than I would any other person's writing off the street. I never understood why he was given so much latitude in the first place. He's not a scientist. He is not published in the academic community. He has no research facilities nor has he been awarded any grant towards research by any reputable institution that I'm aware of. So then, I ask, where is this information truly coming from?
I'm not saying a person requires everything listed above to deserve credit for hard work but if you don't have the credentials to back your writing, than at least show enough professionalism to be taken seriously. When I read these little he-said, she-said pissing matches, it just serves to bring down any credibility that a person has built over time. It's sad really. Now you're combining a lack of credentials with a lack of professionalism. Add once again the fact that we are dealing with what can potentially be very dangerous chemicals and practices and you know what do you have? You have an imminent disaster just waiting to happen. And who foots the bill? You do.
So given the lack of academic credentials combined with the apparent lack of any type of professionalism, a person should be very guarded about how much weight one puts on anything an individual or institution has written and sold. It's a "buyer-beware" scenario at best and a complete scam at worst. Be careful. You can find most of the answers to your questions for free at any public or campus library. It’s a completely unnecessary risk to spend money on OPINIONS of extremely questionably origin.
It’s likely you’ll just feel the momentary sting of getting ripped off but dollars can be replaced. Your health cannot be replaced. If you ARE going to place your health in someone else’s hands, just make certain you know exactly whose hands you are placing your health in.
I never lent any credence to anything he said more than I would any other person's writing off the street. I never understood why he was given so much latitude in the first place. He's not a scientist. He is not published in the academic community. He has no research facilities nor has he been awarded any grant towards research by any reputable institution that I'm aware of. So then, I ask, where is this information truly coming from?
I'm not saying a person requires everything listed above to deserve credit for hard work but if you don't have the credentials to back your writing, than at least show enough professionalism to be taken seriously. When I read these little he-said, she-said pissing matches, it just serves to bring down any credibility that a person has built over time. It's sad really. Now you're combining a lack of credentials with a lack of professionalism. Add once again the fact that we are dealing with what can potentially be very dangerous chemicals and practices and you know what do you have? You have an imminent disaster just waiting to happen. And who foots the bill? You do.
So given the lack of academic credentials combined with the apparent lack of any type of professionalism, a person should be very guarded about how much weight one puts on anything an individual or institution has written and sold. It's a "buyer-beware" scenario at best and a complete scam at worst. Be careful. You can find most of the answers to your questions for free at any public or campus library. It’s a completely unnecessary risk to spend money on OPINIONS of extremely questionably origin.
It’s likely you’ll just feel the momentary sting of getting ripped off but dollars can be replaced. Your health cannot be replaced. If you ARE going to place your health in someone else’s hands, just make certain you know exactly whose hands you are placing your health in.
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GeneticMutation said:
GENETIC MUTATION OWNS! FATALITY
solidspine
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Anthony Roberts
Where did you go to prison? How old were you? What were the charges?
Where did you go to prison? How old were you? What were the charges?
solidspine
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References
PCT by anthony roberts:
Human Anatomy and Physiology, 6th ed. John W. Hole jr
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Effect of lower versus higher doses of tamoxifen on pituitary-gonadal function and sperm indices in oligozoospermic men.m Dony JM, Smals AG, Rolland R, Fauser BC, Thomas CM
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Inhibitory effect of combined treatment with the aromatase inhibitor exemestane and tamoxifen on DMBA-induced mammary tumors in rats.
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Stimulation of calcitonin secretory capacity by increased serum levels of testosterone in men treated with tamoxifen. Int J Androl. 1987 Dec;10(6):747-51.
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PCT by anthony roberts:
Human Anatomy and Physiology, 6th ed. John W. Hole jr
Mol Cell Endocrinol. 2004 Sep 30;224(1-2):73-82.
Endocrinology. 1995 Feb;136(2):536-42
Breast Cancer Res Treat. 2005 Oct;93(3):277-87.
Treat Endocrinol. 2004;3(2):105-15. Review.
Fertil Steril. 1978 Mar;29(3):320-7
Disparate effect of clomiphene and tamoxifen on pituitary gonadotropin release in vitro. Adashi EY, Hsueh AJ, Bambino TH, Yen SS. Am J Physiol 1981 Feb;240(2):E125-30
Effect of lower versus higher doses of tamoxifen on pituitary-gonadal function and sperm indices in oligozoospermic men.m Dony JM, Smals AG, Rolland R, Fauser BC, Thomas CM
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If you were busted for only 118 hits of X then i stand corrected and i apologize. If i am wrong about something i will admit it............................ Now could you explain what you meant by the statement "Don't Worry About Giving COB Karma?"Anthony Roberts said:
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hyperplasia
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hstern said:
LOL....Has he ever?(apart from his standard copy and pastes) Mr. Connors is getting his a** handed to him left and right and it's only picking up steam. He's the only "expert" I know that is treated this way. HMMMMM wonder why.....must be because everyone is just so jealous of his "elite/top tier status" in this business.....yeah that's it right Hooker?
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hyperplasia said:
hopefully he just leaves..
Nelson Montana said:
I know and what is worse all are making themselves look immature and silly when this was a great thread and the start of some great debate.
I am a bit worried about you though as in one reply i actually think you were trying to be a peace maker. Is that the real Nelson LOL?
Seriously shame as great topic - time for your own forum again maybe
Wrongun!
Pat_McCrotch
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Anthony Roberts said:
so am i a geek too cause i pay to post on boards in my spare time? Not a very good mod or customer service rep. I dunno. i know I dont wanna be in a place where an expert/mod calls people names that are just trying to learn and ask questions.
Pat_McCrotch
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Anthony Roberts said:
Did you ger rebutted again? Did you lose your butt the first time COb Man. i am no wordyologists but i thought it was rebuttled? Maybe my spelling is wrong
needtogetaas
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what I have noticed in the last month is a huge increase in 2007 new posters with 5 post popping up in threads and the only thing they ever say is bashing ar or other sponsors of the board.I get the feeling there is some one or some one's being all the same people behind this....they pop up make a few bashing post at new products or new sponsors then there gone....hmmmmmmhyperplasia said:
all arguing aside people I know for a fact others see this.and I think from now on
if your a new 2007 poster and you jump on this board and start acting like you know every thing and you have bin on this board for years yet the only thing you do is bash people all day then I am going to fucking red your ass to -4000 k
and you will be band.
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CO B-man said:
And if you havent published 3 books, you dont know what your talking about..lol!
roberts says he was just picked up by barnes and noble. Well I did some researching, and when you look at the site how to become an author, this is what it states..
Each year, we review more than 100,000 submissions from publishers of every size and background. Our buyers review publishers’ catalogues, marketing materials and galleys or sample copies to help them make their decisions. Most of these books are added to our book database and a small order is placed for our warehouse. This makes a title available for sale on our Web site and for order through our stores.
When you look on their site they have hundreds of these books awaiting to be purchased/considered by Barnes & Nobles for sale, including roberts book.
The Small Press Department
Barnes & Noble
122 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY 10011
Pat_McCrotch
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CO B-man said:
I wasnt making fun of you. i was quoteing AR. he is the dumbass trying tobe something even as a noob I can see he is a dumbass mother fucker
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Hitler - Mein Kampf
OJ Simpson - I want to tell you (i actually have a copy)
anthony roberts - beyond steroids
Just goes to show you, anyone can be a writer..
OJ Simpson - I want to tell you (i actually have a copy)
anthony roberts - beyond steroids
Just goes to show you, anyone can be a writer..
blackthunder
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\solidspine said:
Well, at least he gives credit to the people he cuts and pastes from
ProtienFiend
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I wont mess with Co Man 
CO B-man
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Sorry I wont say where I work! You will just have to believe me because I said so! Thats AR's theory. Only way I can prove I know what I am talking about is answering questions about Engineering/Commercial Construction/Developement other than that I cant help. Since this Industry (Bodybuilding weightlifting whatever) is nothing more than a hobby to me I am not anywhere near willing to risk my career on a childish ex con that has proven himself a liar and a slimeball in more ways than one. With that info he would abuse it for sure and I believe that 110%!Guvna said:
Lets all be clear that I never used his personal information (real name) etc. ever. I dont believe in that regardless of how I feel about someone.
solidspine
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I think it is a shame that two self proclaimed “experts” who have not earned any respect anywhere
And have only bragged about who they know, who they have talked to, who, who, and me, me, me,,, and how great they are,
can simply ruin a decent board in a few months time.
Where 99 percent of the guys are here to learn more about gear, training, diet, rest and body building,
Most of us are not selling snake oil, or sugar and sand and claiming it replaces gear, PCT and Anti-E.
We lose a couple of sincere guys that are extremely knowledgeable,
and pickup a couple of braggarts who are childish, insulting, arrogant & conceited
and know absolutely nothing, and have zero experience, education or formal training or Credentials.
They certainly have no ability or practical experience to share with others or pass on anything useful about gear, body building, diet or training, They could not help if they wanted too, but what really burns is they don't want to. They don't care. They just want you to agree with them.
They are simply to be put on the Jkurtz Diet advisory board
-Jkurtz is a step above these two.
In plain English they don’t know what they are talking about and are trying pathetically to impress people who see through them. And since that does not work they resort to the old grade school technique of a pissing match, argue over nothing.
The roid store has its advocates and these two drop outs are in the same category.
And have only bragged about who they know, who they have talked to, who, who, and me, me, me,,, and how great they are,
can simply ruin a decent board in a few months time.
Where 99 percent of the guys are here to learn more about gear, training, diet, rest and body building,
Most of us are not selling snake oil, or sugar and sand and claiming it replaces gear, PCT and Anti-E.
We lose a couple of sincere guys that are extremely knowledgeable,
and pickup a couple of braggarts who are childish, insulting, arrogant & conceited
and know absolutely nothing, and have zero experience, education or formal training or Credentials.
They certainly have no ability or practical experience to share with others or pass on anything useful about gear, body building, diet or training, They could not help if they wanted too, but what really burns is they don't want to. They don't care. They just want you to agree with them.
They are simply to be put on the Jkurtz Diet advisory board
-Jkurtz is a step above these two.
In plain English they don’t know what they are talking about and are trying pathetically to impress people who see through them. And since that does not work they resort to the old grade school technique of a pissing match, argue over nothing.
The roid store has its advocates and these two drop outs are in the same category.
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That was a great post (thread) Nelson. Very true.
I went from squatting 315 for 10 to 365 for 9 with no juice. Just a shitload of creatine and prayer before each set. I had also stopped counting calories and therefore more food. This was in 1996. I had not touched juice in 4 years at the time. But my bench would never shoot up like that, as you said genetics (as you said, your chest vs. your calves -- we have opposite genetic attributes)
My chest http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00091ff.jpg
My Quads http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00260tq.jpg
My Hamstrings and calves (do not train calves other than squats) http://img476.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc002614tb.jpg
I give all thanks to God for all I have and pray He returns me to my best and beyond. God giveth and God also taketh away.
Good thread Nelson. And not controversial -- but, without reading the prior 160 posts, I'll bet you are still being targeted by some.
I went from squatting 315 for 10 to 365 for 9 with no juice. Just a shitload of creatine and prayer before each set. I had also stopped counting calories and therefore more food. This was in 1996. I had not touched juice in 4 years at the time. But my bench would never shoot up like that, as you said genetics (as you said, your chest vs. your calves -- we have opposite genetic attributes)
My chest http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00091ff.jpg
My Quads http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00260tq.jpg
My Hamstrings and calves (do not train calves other than squats) http://img476.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc002614tb.jpg
I give all thanks to God for all I have and pray He returns me to my best and beyond. God giveth and God also taketh away.
Good thread Nelson. And not controversial -- but, without reading the prior 160 posts, I'll bet you are still being targeted by some.
needtogetaas
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he works for some one....please tell me who because I dont know and this is news to me.Guvna said:
Quadsweep said:Wow did this get all fucked up....children pleeeze!
Q.
ya want me to lock it down kiddies? Nelson?
I don't believe in locking threads. The argument can resume elsewhere, meanwhile the topic is lost. Everyone loses.
Is there any way of deleting the "argument threads?"
I think the issue of steroid importance is one which should be disscussed and I think a lot of guys stories, such as bbkingpin's, can be a tremendous help to newbies.
I'd like to make a personal plea to CO and AR to agree to disagree. Both had their points. Both went too far. It's not like they're kids just looking to flame. Argumenets happen. Let it go.
Message boards are a great equalizer. Everyone has equal time. This is why guys who are actively involved in the industry try to present their credentials. But that can come off like me , me , me. And it's easy to knock them down.
My advice is to take what you can use, and discard what you can't. Debate and/or dissagree... but say why. Make a point. Don't just attack other people. And leave the personal insults and boasts of "ownership" in the schoolyard.
Nelson Montana said:
.....when i was locked up, the way i remember it , it was more competitive in prision then on the out side. all we ever did was eat , lift, shit , sleep.some did extra hour of push\pull ups in our cell after we got back in from the gym.and some looked like they are being forced into lifting\working out.i did becouse i wanted to , not couse i had to. i didn t have too nothin.
joetrisman
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I appreciate AR. Hearing about him and reading his posts made me finally realize what I needed to major in: Biology (specifically micro and headed up later to be an endo). I realized that I didn't want to be that guy who gives off info from boards, articles, and medical journals without having any formal background in medicine or biology - thus having no credentials whatsoever. Kudos AR!!
needtogetaas
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well at least they can make 10 page threads....lol you know some one is con traversal
when they can make a 10 page thread.....
when they can make a 10 page thread.....
needtogetaas said:
Yeah, but eight pages were just the two of them! : )
needtogetaas
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no I was talking about you an ar....lol it seems when you guys make threads like this they always get long some how.lol its a good thing.Nelson Montana said:
CO B-man
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bbkingpin said:
Good for you! Thats awesome! There is an obvious concentration on your legs they are solid. Upper body needs to catch up a bit. I have the opposit issue I have to concentrate more on my legs they need catching up but that has been coming along slowly BUT surely
sardonicone
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CO B-man said:
Well, to be honest, I didn't agree with your prison food statements at all, but with you and AR duking it out, my comment was lost in the shuffle.
bbkingpin
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I was strictly cutting then. Jintropin 5 IUs per day throughout.Guvna said:
Minimal aas. Started out with 200 mg/week deca (2/3 ml of QV deca 300mg/ml), once vial ran out switched to BD tren depot (tren hex) 100mg/week (That's it), and then once BD var arrived I quit the tren hex and went to 50 mg/day BD var. No stacking only single compounds. Only constant was 5 IUs per day Jintropin. I hit the treadmill for one hour at a time 3 x per week up to 7mph.
Those stats were approx 183 lbs at 5'11"
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bbkingpin said:
vascular as shit do you think thats from the hgh?
bbkingpin
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I like the upper body though, would only prefer some more mass to chest upper chest and overall pec development. I don't want to look like a steroid using bodybuilder. I just want to look good, "sexy" is the term often used by ladies and that's the look I prefer.CO B-man said:
The only credible thing this fucked up elitefitness website has to offer, is the porno section.
The rest is some of the worst, immature, inaccurate, horseshit ever.
Fucking vomit!
Elitehorseshit.com.
Hey George, I want my money back.
The rest is some of the worst, immature, inaccurate, horseshit ever.
Fucking vomit!
Elitehorseshit.com.
Hey George, I want my money back.
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blackthunder
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halfcenturian said:The only credible thing this fucked up elitefitness website has to offer, is the porno section.
The rest is some of the worst, immature, inaccurate, horseshit ever.
Fucking vomit!
Elitehorseshit.com.
Hey George, I want my money back.
there is a porno section?
silver_shadow
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getting back to the topic - fully agree. the reason why we are in this game is because of the training and yet this is the most overlooked point. testimony to this is the number of posters here who visit this forum exclusively but almost never (if at all) visit the training forum.
as for the rest of the thread:
as for the rest of the thread:
blackthunder
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motodawg said:
well, I may have to go check it out. Is AR an "expert" over there too?
maccer said:
First off just because he trains for his sport doesn't mean he doesn't have the knowledge to effectively train someone else to do well in their competitions. In my experience good competitors are not necessarily good coaches. You need the knowledge to coach, and a certain level of experience, but being a good coach and putting that knowledge to work does not require a 6% bodyfat.
Second who cares even if 5 years ago he was asking newbie questions. 5 years is a long time, upper division college and doctorate school takes 5 years (not counting the 2 years for general reqs). Medical doctors go from being "newbs" to doctors in 5 years...
I don't have any loyalty to AR, hell bash him all you want if you think his advice sucks, but stick to good arguments.
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nodiggitydave
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This post is ace.
But I did think Anthony Roberts started this site.. hmm
But I did think Anthony Roberts started this site.. hmm
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D_Mac said:
Anyone can have knowledge of the sport after studying it for 5 years. Shit, Ive been studying this stuff pretty much since highschool, and you dont see me going around calling myself an expert, im far from it. Being called a professional is something that you earn, not constantly bragging you have 3 books published, and you train a female IFBB fitness pro, big fucking deal. Ask him if she won anything major? She hasnt.. She probably did what quite a few girls do, they compete in those local fitness shows where only 2 girls show up, and they automatically qualify to compete for the pro card. They dont compete in figure, because they dont stand a chance or wont even be in the top 5. There will be 25-30 girls in figure, and only 2 in fitness.. Every fitness show in my area, Ive never seen more than 2 girls compete. They automatically qualify.. its a joke!
ar, has no degree in science, but he makes you think he does.
VooDooChild said:
Either does Llywellin, Duchaine. Roberts, Zuppano, Rea, Grumling, Phillips or just about anyone else who has written about the use of anabolics for muscle building purposes.
That's the new thing with websites, ala' T-Nation. "LET'S FIND SOME KID WHO GOT A DEGREE FIVE MINUTES AGO IN EITHER BIOLOGY OR CHEMISTRY AND WE'LL PROMOTE HIM AS THE "EXPERT" SINCE HE HAS "CREDENTIALS." It's bullshit.
I've spoken to pros about gear use and you'd be amazed how ill informed they are. Doesn't matter. Inject, lift, eat repeat. It's ain't quantum physics.
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I'm coming in here a bit late, but I do want to know something. I'm really geting tired of arguing on these boards and I've got enough stress in my life that I don't need to add to it, but I have a question. Anthony, seriousley, what makes you more of an expert than I when it comes to steroids. For instance, I rarely hear anything that I haven't already heard or known. I've talked to doctors, in fact a good friend of mine that I went to college with is now an internist in Des Moines, IA. and he has used quite a bit himself. We talk about cycles and theory all the time. I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but I know more than most and if I may say, I know more than a lot of doctors about steroids for the simple fact that they do not spend the time researching them like someone who is using them and truly interested in the science behind it. I'm not attacking you, Anthony, but would like your own explanation as to why I should buy your book, and I'd be willing to, if you could explain your credentials a bit more. Your posts do not really teach me anything. I'm not saying they are not informative for most, they just don't really open my eyes up to anything new. Granted, alot of the times your arguing with others because they have already attacked you. So what is really going on with you, man?
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Nelson Montana said:
Show me one quote where duchaine calls himself an expert. He earned that title, without a doubt.. Every other post roberts brags about having a book published or calling himself an expert. Big fucking deal.. Last time I checked none of his books were on the best seller list.. Oh, but it is number one on amazon google or borders or whatever site it is..woopty doo!
How many books does Llewellyn have published? I know its at least 4.. You dont see him braggin on every site about this either..
This whole thing may not be physics, but it is a science, and you wont convince me otherwise. Inject, lift, eat, repeat? Cmon.. thats why 95% of the people in the gym look the same as they did 5 years ago.. They swell up for a few months and than they are back to normal right after with advice like that..
VooDooChild said:
Are you serious? You think the pros look better because they know more about pharmacology?!
needtogetaas
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this thread is getting so many dame vews I just have to use it so bare with me here....
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needtogetaas
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I had to man...3000 vews is not a thing to wast lolMac173 said:
