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The Importance Of Steroids
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Nelson Montana said:
Im sure they come here and laugh at everyones 20mg/ed dbol and 400mg test/week cycles.. And, im positive they have the best doctors around, prescribing the best drugs to them.. If its not a science, what is it than? Im sure they didnt buy the book 'beyond steroids', and get their knowledge from that..
VooDooChild said:
Dude, you're so off. It's not what you think at all.
First of all, they ain't coming here. And if they were, they wouldn't be laughing at the guy who takes 20 mgs of dbol and 400 grams of test. They'd be laughing at the guy who takes 50 mgs of dbol and 100 grams of test and 400 grams of deca and 500 grams of EQ.
I can't mention names but I know pros who take just test and primo and that's the end of it. They don't have the best doctors. They have a friend who hooks them up.
You ask: "If it's not a science, what is it? " It's called elite athlete talent bro. Genetics, meets work ethic meets response to drugs. One percent of the population has it at a level that makes them the top one percent.
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Personal experience is so much more relevant that pointing at some genetic freak's achievements, wouldn't you say?
I'd love to know the stats, lifts, titles our experts have. Surely people who 'mod on various boards', who 'matter in their field' and are 'reknown experts', 'published authors' and the like must have built some amazingly impressive physiques themselves with their wealth of knowledge and their years of AAS experience in the trenches.
I'd love to know the stats, lifts, titles our experts have. Surely people who 'mod on various boards', who 'matter in their field' and are 'reknown experts', 'published authors' and the like must have built some amazingly impressive physiques themselves with their wealth of knowledge and their years of AAS experience in the trenches.
Tweakle said:
I'm quite proud of the progress I've made as a bodybuilder considering where I came from. That's one of my biggest sellling points -- that a guy with horrible genetics can make such an improvement DRUG FREE. I walk the walk, unlike a lot of so called "experts."
But if you think the biggest guy or the guy who uses the most juice or the guy who is geneticly geared toward being strong is the most qualified person to speak to on training or pharmacology or anything else, you have a lot to learn.
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Tony R.
Where did you go to Prison, for how long and what for?
Oh I did 28 months at California Institution for Men, CIM, Chino, California
Maybe you missed me on the boards, oh wait, you were not here then, in fact you have only been here a couple of months.
Where did you go to Prison, for how long and what for?
Oh I did 28 months at California Institution for Men, CIM, Chino, California
Maybe you missed me on the boards, oh wait, you were not here then, in fact you have only been here a couple of months.
solidspine
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You still keep avoiding my question & you keep bragging about
“going to prison”
like it is some accomplishment.
For most people it is a waste of time, just a way for the government to make money off of people having problems, is that what you support.
“going to prison”
like it is some accomplishment.
For most people it is a waste of time, just a way for the government to make money off of people having problems, is that what you support.
silver_shadow
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no offense bro, but perhaps you should spend a little time on the training board to find out that tweakle knows much more about weightlifting then 99.999% around here and in most gyms around the world.... the proof is in the numbers he moves and he has vids of them... i think some of them are in the vids sticky on that forum. not trying to start shit, but i thought i'd just clarify that.Nelson Montana said:
anyway, i had no preconceived notions about AR before this thread but seeing that all he seems to have done here is brag that he is an expert, has x books to his name and the name dropping, i'd definitely doubt his credentials. plus the fact that he boasts that the guys here are nobodies... not a very smart move from a man who wants to be the message boards expert - the people he disses are potentially those who might buy his books and help him along in actually being an expert.
back on topic: i said it before and it got drowned in the noise of AR bashing... training is the reason each and every one of us is in this game whether as bodybuilders, powerlifters or just enthusiasts and this is the one thing being given step motherly treatment by most... or so it seems to me. i don't see most of the AAS forum guys post much if anything at all on the training board... are they so confident they know everything about training? yes. do they actually know that much? i'm not so sure about that.
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Nelson Montana said:
So you know pros that just take test and primo? Ill bet my house, truck, and harley, they havent won anything major as a pro. Not that hard to become pro in IFBB in my opinion. I know 2 woman and 3 men that are IFBB pros, and they are not just taking a little bit of test and primo.
Its a science, and you wont convince me otherwise.. Genetics does play a big role, I do agree with that. But calling it elite athlete talent? Gimmie a break.. Maybe you can partner up with hooker and write a book together.
You can call it 'Becoming Pro On Test & Primo'. Im sure it will be huge seller, and you guys can charge $500/hr, and teach me how to squat 185 and make my legs genetically freaky..
Okay, it's apparent this thread is now a big wankfest. All it takes is a handful of people to do it everytime. They wait, because they have nothing to contribute -- and when the complaining begins, they jump in. Nobody is really making any sense -- it's all about bitching and trying to find fault and posturing on things they don't even know about. I'm out.
I've said I don;t like locking threads but now I know why it's done.
Lock this baby up. It's done.
I've said I don;t like locking threads but now I know why it's done.
Lock this baby up. It's done.
Speaking from personal appearance, I know several IFBB pros (living in South Florida contributes to that.)
We often kick around various topics at times, somtimes related to AAS sometimes not.. I have a very good idea at what nearly all of them run.
Two pros in particular (I have posted this before in the past) I know EXACTLY what they use. The reason I know is because they order the same shit as me from the same person. (and a couple of more "same" aspects to this that remain unsaid for security).
One pro is 320 in the offseason with abs. That ain't fat either. 6'2" and 320 of rock hard muscle. His training is a joke. His motto is "if I sweat, it's because this is Ft Lauderdale and it's hot outside." And he means this. He is rather laid back in his training methods. He uses 600mg test cyp and 600mg deca per week. Year round. Never diviates. Tried winstrol and it hurt his joints so he never tried it again.
The other pro is half my size at the most 205-215lbs. He turned pro from a middle weight win at the Nationals. He trains hard as hell. Dude is all heart in the gym. Uses over 4 grams a week. Various things. Takes a three CC shot per day.
So in short, it makes no difference what any so called "expert" or "guru" or author or sideshow internet puppet master says about roids. You are going to learn more from your own use than anything ever written. It is all unique. It's not a magic potion that works the same in everyone. Another pro that actually did not start winning shows did so only after he dropped all androgenic compounds from his prep. No more test, anadrol, dbol, etc.. He uses nothing but EQ, winstrol, primo and anavar (140mg daily BTG) and he actually grows. Other people can not grow at all unless they use androgens in the mix.
You basically have to try various things and see what works for you, but when you do this, you must keep your training and diet the same in order to effectively gauge the AAS benefits so you will know the variations in differences is not related to dietary or training changes.
We often kick around various topics at times, somtimes related to AAS sometimes not.. I have a very good idea at what nearly all of them run.
Two pros in particular (I have posted this before in the past) I know EXACTLY what they use. The reason I know is because they order the same shit as me from the same person. (and a couple of more "same" aspects to this that remain unsaid for security).
One pro is 320 in the offseason with abs. That ain't fat either. 6'2" and 320 of rock hard muscle. His training is a joke. His motto is "if I sweat, it's because this is Ft Lauderdale and it's hot outside." And he means this. He is rather laid back in his training methods. He uses 600mg test cyp and 600mg deca per week. Year round. Never diviates. Tried winstrol and it hurt his joints so he never tried it again.
The other pro is half my size at the most 205-215lbs. He turned pro from a middle weight win at the Nationals. He trains hard as hell. Dude is all heart in the gym. Uses over 4 grams a week. Various things. Takes a three CC shot per day.
So in short, it makes no difference what any so called "expert" or "guru" or author or sideshow internet puppet master says about roids. You are going to learn more from your own use than anything ever written. It is all unique. It's not a magic potion that works the same in everyone. Another pro that actually did not start winning shows did so only after he dropped all androgenic compounds from his prep. No more test, anadrol, dbol, etc.. He uses nothing but EQ, winstrol, primo and anavar (140mg daily BTG) and he actually grows. Other people can not grow at all unless they use androgens in the mix.
You basically have to try various things and see what works for you, but when you do this, you must keep your training and diet the same in order to effectively gauge the AAS benefits so you will know the variations in differences is not related to dietary or training changes.
AAP said:
Okay, I just had to jump,back and say, THAT is a good post. And 100% accurate.
These guys aren't pharmacological geniuses. They don't know any secret stack or dosage. They have extrodinary natural ability and fool around with gear until they find what works for them.
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AAP said:
I said something similar to this once, but I added the idea that there's almost nothing that the professionals do that's appropriate to do for 99.9999% of the members here. If you're not a professional, why train/eat/drug like one? You should do it to maximize what you can achieve, not to mimic someone else because they're the swolest MF'ing Bro you ever met...
Anthony Roberts said:
The only thing that I have seen professionals do that regular people don't is take time to find out what training works for them.
People here don't do that. They follow established training plans like the 5x5 or doggcrap or whatever and after 4 weeks of no results, they lapse back into more comfortable, yet nonproducing training habits and routines.
A diet is a diet. All it requires is food and willpower. Nothing special.
I am amazed as many times as I have designed training routines for people the first thing they ask is "why?" Yet in a month they come back all karma giving and cuddly hugs talking about how it worked. Which leads to my question "why?" As in "Why haven't you tried this before I suggested it?"
That is the only remarkable thing that I see pros doing different. They have long figured out what their INDIVIDUAL bodyparts respond to, which is nearly 100x the case not the same training their body responds as a whole. I usually do 8-9 sets for chest, but then anywhere from 20-30 sets for triceps. I don't do that many because I am standing around watching the chic on the treadmill or having a chat session with my buddies. Do it because it works.
Now if I did that many sets for other bodyparts, I would see no results.
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Most people are terrible trainers....I agree with that. I love the guys who fight MMA and train on bodypart splits like a bodybuilder.
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hell i remember this post on the training board a while ago - a youtube vid of some NBA dude (forget who)... with his trainer... has him doing preacher curlsAnthony Roberts said:
about the only thing worthwhile that the trainer had him do was vertical jump using bands.
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I tell people to read 5 books on training before they buy one on steroids. Nobody listens.
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AAP said:
Lol, thats funny. There is a pro at my gym who is short - but just as wide and ripped. I dont know how he juices but he'll waddle in, do some tri extensions, a little flat bench.... but mostly talk to and spot other people. As sad as it is, its actually working for him.
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Here's one to think about:
You know those "Pro Bodybuilder" workouts you see in the magazines? Guess what? The "workouts" are usually just what pictures came out the best, not what the dude actually does.
You know those "Pro Bodybuilder" workouts you see in the magazines? Guess what? The "workouts" are usually just what pictures came out the best, not what the dude actually does.
Tweakle said:
Ok this is my last post on this thread, I don't really care about anyone involved but the arguments have gotten ridiculous. But before I leave I'm gonna throw my 99 cents out there.
First off, I don't think beyond Steriods is written for a "Pro" anyway, it's probably written for a novice to beginner. Now I don't doubt that there are lots of guys on this board who are knowledgeable as hell, but they haven't put all their beliefs down in a book for someone to follow, AR did. I don't know if it's a good book or not, but honestly as a noob coming to this site with all the arguing and contradicting back and forth by very well meaning, and many times well informed bro's, I would be confused as shit sometimes wading through the arguments to understand what I need to do on cycle or for PCT. Now if there is a book someone can use to look through, learn some of the science, get some interesting views on workouts, cycling and diet, and it all goes together this could be the best thing for a noob. I don't know if the book is good, it could be shit, but if you haven't read it then you don't have the right to talk shit about it.
I agree that AR can be a little crass sometimes and a bit argumentative, and would benefit from using a little more proffesional tone, but honestly he gets attacked so hard on here you can't hear any debate above the bashing by people who really appear to have an agenda and constantly pick fights.
Now maybe AR doesn't know shit and he isn't a good coach. But what really matters is if his ADVICE and COACHING is good or not.
When looking for a coach, I don't measure biceps, I don't look at their 40 yard dash time. I look at their coaching. I have trained at Team Quest, and 4 other gyms. No question Team Quest has the best athletes in the world (one is reigning heavyweight UFC champ and the other just got a challenge match agains Fedor, the reigning pride heavyweight champ (haven't seen results yet)). But when it comes to coaching, I didn't get the best coaching at team quest, I got it at a local gym. The coaches at the local gym are not as good of fighters, no where close, but they are better teachers, and I gained more at the local gym in half the time I was at Quest.
Now a good coach DOES need personal experience. They need to have been involved in the sport. They need an in depth knowledge. But they don't need to be the best at it.
If you don't like AR don't read his shit. If you must put him down then actually attack his teachings you disagree with, don't rant about how he asked "noob questions" 5 years back on some obscure board somewhere. Focus on what he's doing now, and specifically what he teaches that you disagree with.
And if you want anyone to give 2 shits about what you have against him, then articulate it in an intelligent manner instead of unintelligible "pwnage, you suck noobzor!!".
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D_Mac said:
It's all that matters, I've often argued.
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Nelson Montana said:
lol.. Last time I checked, I dont see people in the gym running up to the trainer who is 6ft3in and 185lbs asking him for training advice. Im asking or watching the guy who is 6ft3in and 295lbs, 5% bodyfat, and veins popping out of neck.. Most trainers dont know shit anyways. They buy their online certificate for $600 and they think they are qualified.
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VooDooChild said:
Is Ronnie Coleman bigger than his trainer? I think so, last I checked. Milos Sarcev went to Pat Arnold and Charles Poliquin for training/drug-info and neither are bigger than he is.
But you do have a point..."people in the gym" go to the biggest guy...people who know what they're doing go to the smartest guy.
VooDooChild said:
Yeah, most trainers are full of shit. But the guy who is 6'3" 295lbs was probably always big. What does he have to teach you about growing?
Does he have insight as to how to be taller? And if he's 5% bf, the advice you'll get is what drugs he's using that haven't killed him yet.
If you want to know how to get bigger, don't ask the biggest guy -- ask the guy who's made the most progress.
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yup.......lol& easy sell right here...show some one a big guy and you can sell them any thing....VooDooChild said:
so your saying you a lemming to advertising then.
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solidspine said:
It's already been answered (partially in this thread). I went for posession/importation of Ecstasy (118 tabs) for 6.5 months. I did my time in New Zealand (where I was living to play rugby), so it's unlikely that you'd know much about the prison I was at.
I don't know if I missed you on the boards, and as for me not being here more than a few months, I came here to make money, and after my first book was already published...so I wasn't here until I thought it was a good place to earn some money...which meant I needed credentials first, as the E-books sold here do better when the author is already known.
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Anthony Roberts said:
And the average guy like myself, cant afford to pay Pat or Charles either.. Im assuming they have or charge a fee for their insite.
You can pretty much tell which trainers know what the hell they are doing, and the ones that just put people through a basic routine, that he could have read for himself in M&F, and saved himself $75-100! In my gym we have 2 that actually have knowledge, and actually know what they are doing. One is a pro and one is not..
If there was a magical way that insured the best gains, don't you think everyone would know it by now?
Everything works. The key is to understand your body and be creative and intuitive enough to change things up in order to make each session as effecive as possible.
Here's a weird example. I just read in this months MuscleMag a routine I wrote about a year ago. It was essentially something I just made up. After reading it I thought, 'hmm, that's actually a pretty good idea! I think I'll try that next time.' That's all any routine is. If it gets you into training and hits the muscles in a slightly different way (not necessarily a new angle but a new stimulus) then it's a productive workout. No one -- NO ONE -- not Mike menzter, or Charles Poliquin, or anybody has a secret rep routine or set system that is better than any other.
The best workout is the one you've never done.
That's why hundreds of people have written to me saying they got great results from some of the old school workouts I have in my books. It's because they've never used them before. Therefore, they were effective.
Everything works. The key is to understand your body and be creative and intuitive enough to change things up in order to make each session as effecive as possible.
Here's a weird example. I just read in this months MuscleMag a routine I wrote about a year ago. It was essentially something I just made up. After reading it I thought, 'hmm, that's actually a pretty good idea! I think I'll try that next time.' That's all any routine is. If it gets you into training and hits the muscles in a slightly different way (not necessarily a new angle but a new stimulus) then it's a productive workout. No one -- NO ONE -- not Mike menzter, or Charles Poliquin, or anybody has a secret rep routine or set system that is better than any other.
The best workout is the one you've never done.
That's why hundreds of people have written to me saying they got great results from some of the old school workouts I have in my books. It's because they've never used them before. Therefore, they were effective.
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boyer said:
It would be more intellegent to just take advantage of the Money Back offer that comes with the book.
needtogetaas
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oooooooooooooooo owned big time.lmaoAnthony Roberts said:
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Sam5 said:
What makes me more of an expert?
Research.
It took me about a year, working daily, to write my book...
So if you want to take a year off from work to look up countless studies and read medical textbooks, then you will not need to buy my book. Otherwise, for $40, you can save yourself the year off from work, and the daily reading...
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Tweakle
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So we've established the Pros have nothing to offer any of us regular people because they're genetically on a different plane.
So I take it that means no more lectures about how IFBB pro Mr So-And-So does 5mg dbol a day and is 300lbs ripped, and those of us who use more AAS than he claims to use are idiots, lazy and drug abusers.
Because if he isn't the same species as the rest of us, with 4 x the AR's of a regular guy, with no SHBG or myostatin in his system obviously doesn't need to use much in the way of gear, or train hard. Or eat much to grow on.
So I take it that means no more lectures about how IFBB pro Mr So-And-So does 5mg dbol a day and is 300lbs ripped, and those of us who use more AAS than he claims to use are idiots, lazy and drug abusers.
Because if he isn't the same species as the rest of us, with 4 x the AR's of a regular guy, with no SHBG or myostatin in his system obviously doesn't need to use much in the way of gear, or train hard. Or eat much to grow on.
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Tweakle said:
Why would those people even have as one of their goals to build an impressive physique? You're making your own goals and reasons for using steroids into others' and judging them based on inappropriate criteria as a result.
How impressive was Jim Thorpe's physique. He must not know how to train...he was a scrawny fuck.
I know what you're saying...who cares that he won gold medals in the Olympics...he wasn't very big, and clearly that's the criteria/goal for everyone's training...
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Anthony Roberts said:
You know "research" AKA googling, copying and pasting and an internet connection at mom's house. Add in a few gullible newbs on various boards, a bit of hype and Voila! the recipe for an instant steroid "expert."
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hyperplasia said:
Your argument seems to be that the internet (medline, google, etc...) is not a valid research tool?
needtogetaas
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right...wtf is every one doing here is it ant......Anthony Roberts said:
needtogetaas
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this thread is awesome...ar....nelson you guys shore can make a good thread....I remember the days when my threads were like this.
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needtogetaas said:
Exactly. He's dogging the internet as a means of research, yet...it's on a site which people use to research. Kind of a silly argument. But then again, if you look at his posts...he's spent all of his time here attacking sponsors products...
I suspect he's using a Proxy IP and is more likely than not, affiliated with a former sponsor who acted the same exact way...
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The logic is baseless.
I guess basketball coaches, baseball coaches, football coaches, Olympic coaches, wrestling coaches, and basically every other athletic coach in existence has no right being a COACH(Teacher), because their PLAYERS(students) are better than they are!
I am JACKED out of my brain. Anthony is not.
Nonetheless, the guy knows JUST AS MUCH if not more about AAS than I do.
If I wither away one day when I get old like Anothony(lol), will I suddenly be rendered incapable of sharing information and/or my experiences with the bodybuilding community?
I guess ARNOLD would make a pretty shitty personal trainer, seeing how SHITTY he looks now in his OLD age....I mean 7 Mr. Olympia titles means nothing now, right?
Anthony knows his shit. Period.
I guess basketball coaches, baseball coaches, football coaches, Olympic coaches, wrestling coaches, and basically every other athletic coach in existence has no right being a COACH(Teacher), because their PLAYERS(students) are better than they are!
I am JACKED out of my brain. Anthony is not.
Nonetheless, the guy knows JUST AS MUCH if not more about AAS than I do.
If I wither away one day when I get old like Anothony(lol), will I suddenly be rendered incapable of sharing information and/or my experiences with the bodybuilding community?
I guess ARNOLD would make a pretty shitty personal trainer, seeing how SHITTY he looks now in his OLD age....I mean 7 Mr. Olympia titles means nothing now, right?
Anthony knows his shit. Period.
needtogetaas
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ar bro I was just telling nelson today that what pisses me off the most is we have all these new 2007 posters all up in every thread we make.its not like a poster here and there.its the same dame people and I can narrow it down to about 10 people most new and a few old that show up in all our threads every time....I could make a thread and name the members that will be there first before they even show up.its so fucking predictable.there doing it for a reason.Anthony Roberts said:
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Anthony Roberts said:
It appears to be only the beginning for you my man. I'm amused at how merely "questioning" Dermacrine's efficacy some time ago is viewed by you as an attack. Thanks for humoring me my boy. I hate to inform you that your internet "education" will not be able to go toe to toe with me nor the NUMEROUS others and counting that are onto you and your pseudo-expertism.
Oh and looky looky, what have we here?? It looks like I may be the least of your problems now......with certainly more to come. It must be comforting to know that you're a "published author." I'm sure that the attorney's fees will be just a drop in the bucket for you. How's it going for you there Anthony?
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hyperplasia said:
I'm frightened.
You should get in touch with Rick Collins...he seems to think that not only does IBE not have a case against me, but also that bringing this to court would result in criminal charges against IBE. He was spoken to by a third party on this matter.
Don't worry about me, none of this will cost me a penny...however, pursuing this matter will likely run IBE out of business, according to what I understand was said to Mr. Collins.
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Anthony Roberts said:
I'm delighted that you are so cozy about it. I'm also delighted that more and more people are seeing through your masquerade. To paraphrase a Proverb.... pride and arrogance come before a great fall. Of course this doesn't phase you because "everything's just fine" and you are in "complete control." After all, you are a "published author" and a "steroid guru" and have all these "great connections" in your business.
Lol....you are so amusing Hooker. Thanks for the laughs.
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The internet in my opinion is a great place to do research. The only problem is you have to learn to read through the hype and BS that some claim. Once you can get a consensus you ALMOST have enough information to draw a conclusion. When you have that information, then you can go forth and do some serious research and finally come to with that information an INFORMED conclusionbut irrigardless is still is not 100% guaranteed fact. Unfortunately the interenet is full of about 80% Bullshit and opinion and about only 20% fact. Good luck at figuring out which is which.
Finally I would like to vote for this as thread of the millenium. I have never had so much fun by a coming to reality with a thread!!!!!!!! Its a shame that your thread, Mr. Nelson, was the catalyst of the innevitable!!
Finally I would like to vote for this as thread of the millenium. I have never had so much fun by a coming to reality with a thread!!!!!!!! Its a shame that your thread, Mr. Nelson, was the catalyst of the innevitable!!
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O h! Ijust re read your message as far as the AF forum or any other forum my answer always have been and always will be NO. I have talked BOIG TIME shit against Anthony Roberts no doubt the only other thing I have ever said about any other EF member was Nelson. My comments and I INVITE you to look at them state this. I talk nothing bad about him. I say basically that I think he has great ideas about training and excersizes some which I have implemented nad have given me great results. I have however ABout Nelson ONLY stated that I question his knowledge about chemicals that we like to put into our bodies. Is it wrong to state that opinion because I was like very close to statiung that here to him and saying with all due respect but refrained because of the tension. I think I enjoy his training tips a lot and many can benefit from it!
O h! Ijust re read your message as far as the AF forum or any other forum my answer always have been and always will be NO. I have talked BIG TIME shit against AF no doubt the only other thing I have ever said about any other EF member was Nelson. My comments and I INVITE you to look at them state this. I talk nothing bad about him. I say basically that I think he has great ideas about training and excersizes some which I have implemented and have given me great results. I have however ABout Nelson ONLY stated that I question his knowledge about chemicals that we like to put into our bodies. Is it wrong to state that opinion because I was like very close to statiung that here to him and saying with all due respect but refrained because of the tension. I think I enjoy his training tips a lot and many can benefit from it!
O h! Ijust re read your message as far as the AF forum or any other forum my answer always have been and always will be NO. I have talked BIG TIME shit against AF no doubt the only other thing I have ever said about any other EF member was Nelson. My comments and I INVITE you to look at them state this. I talk nothing bad about him. I say basically that I think he has great ideas about training and excersizes some which I have implemented and have given me great results. I have however ABout Nelson ONLY stated that I question his knowledge about chemicals that we like to put into our bodies. Is it wrong to state that opinion because I was like very close to statiung that here to him and saying with all due respect but refrained because of the tension. I think I enjoy his training tips a lot and many can benefit from it!
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CO B-man
Did you read that Anthony Connors aka Anthony Roberts is being sued,
For slander and mistruths, regarding products and knowledge?
Hey Tony didn’t you do time once before, for something petty?
Or was it with little boys, I don’t remember you never replied to my questions, but I can guarantee you that the boys in Louisiana prison system will love you.
Did you read that Anthony Connors aka Anthony Roberts is being sued,
For slander and mistruths, regarding products and knowledge?
Hey Tony didn’t you do time once before, for something petty?
Or was it with little boys, I don’t remember you never replied to my questions, but I can guarantee you that the boys in Louisiana prison system will love you.
solidspine
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In dedication to the inevitable, , we should start a Tony Connors thread,
The importance of Steroids, or I mean the importance of K-Y Jelly
The importance of Steroids, or I mean the importance of K-Y Jelly
needtogetaas
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wtf dos derma have to do with this shit............hyperplasia said:
CO B-man said:
Crap? Dude, tell me one thing that is worng with my original post?
Not for nothing, it was all the bickering over bullshit that caused the "crap."
CO B-man
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Not goijng to go there. I respect your training knowledge. As far as this post is concerned I have very little disagreements other than the the one against prisoners being able to get buffed. Although I have NEVER been to prison and have NO proof either way with that statement all I was saying is that may have not been a good example nothing more. As far as food, prisoners who is to say they were not buff before they went to prison. Who is to say that the prisomers you are reffering to are not a stereotype that we see on TV. Much like the concept I may have wrongly stated about taking food from others. Do you disagree with anything I just said? Basically I have defended you on other boards because I think you know your shit about training and routines. I state only that I question your knowledge in the chemical enhancement arena. I have not attacked you in any way much like I never attacked AR first.
CO B-man said:
Well, no attack from me, but if what I'm saying is questioned I at least like to know why. I stand by the statement about prisoners. It wasn't meant to be the irrufutable, all conclusive, no exceptions tenet . It was just one example.
You can still get pretty buffed with exceptional exercise and little attention to food. But you can't get buffed with exceptional food and little attention to exercise.
CO B-man said:
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Ross
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Diet, Training, and Steroids are all EQUALLY important.
The linguistical argrumements are futile.
You can ONLY be JACKED if all three variables are satsified. Plain and simple.
And I AM NOT one of those gurus who talk the talk but don't walk the walk....
The linguistical argrumements are futile.
You can ONLY be JACKED if all three variables are satsified. Plain and simple.
And I AM NOT one of those gurus who talk the talk but don't walk the walk....
- Ross - said:
Of course everything is important for best results , but that wasn't the point.
Nobody ever built a great body with just eating well. But I know a lot of guys who eat crap and look damn good.
I don't want this to be a debate about diet. I was just trying to clarify the statement to CO B but I can see it's going in another direction entirely.
metalgodz1
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mr CHAIRMAN your acting like a spoiled mamas boy stop it! This disrespectful behavior is rude! what ever happened to helping your bros out! Threads like this are a spark that can cause a wildfire and destroy a community, dont you have more respect for this community.Your supposed to be a leader start acting like it.
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Anthony Roberts
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solidspine said:
It's Libel actually. Slander is spoken. As far as accusing me of other stuff, that's not called for.
And no, I didn't ever do time previously. I was brought to court in Hoboken for Assault, but it never went to trial after my first appearance.
CO B-man said:
Not really. First off, they were starved. I didn't say a LACK of food, I said "a typical american diet." Also, they weren't worked in a resistance training manner. It was more low level labor for hours on end. Sorry bro, can't use that one.
Again, no one is defending a bad diet. I'm the first guy to say that guys who want to grow anren't eating enough.
Tweakle said:
Well, yes and no.
You have to seperate the two types of "superior" genetics. The pros are pretty much inclined to be genetically dispositioned to respond to :
Training Stimilus - Vince Taylor, Flex Wheeler, Lee Priest, Bob Paris, Labrada, Toney Freeman
or
Chemical Stimilus - Tom Prince comes to mind and I better not name anymore or BRR may get one of those letters again like he did from T. A. that time I outed his ass on some things.
Now some people possess both of these qualities in abundance, Levrone as an example. Which is why he could take 8 months off and come back, add 30lbs of muscle and place in the Top 5 of the O. However, these individuals are rare. You are generally either one type or the other, or worse.... neither.
While not everyone can be a pro, that doesn't mean you can't pick up a few tricks from them. The most common mistake I see people making is mimicing what the pros do and not understanding why they do. You see in the gym and on DVDs pros doing very short rep ranges. I see 180lb tweenagers in the gym doing 5 inch range of movement reps all the time. Why? Because pros do it. Well pros do it because the larger a muscle gets, the more reduced the range is. My arm at 20 inches has a shorter range of movement than someone with 17 inches.
As I stated before, the key to MAXIMIZING your physique whether you can be a pro BBer or just a buffed up beach hero, is finding out what works for you. That is what the pros did. Whether "what works" means training wise or chemical wise, is individually dependent. Your arms may respond to a 5x5 training style, your legs might need volume training with high reps, you may need drop set style training on every set for shoulders, Your chest may only respond to low reps, You may need to train arms twice a week, you may need to train chest once every 9 days, etc... it is important to break your body up into sections and individual groups and figure out what it takes. 99% of the people simply don't do this.
Pros are not experts. Usually pros are having someone else tell them what to take. If they were experts, why would Charles Glass be in demand by them?
There is one pro - from Atlanta - that when he was trying to get his pro card at the Nationals back in 2001 he decided to use clen for the first time. Someone told him that Albuteral (sp? asthma inhaler) was the same thing and did the same thing to the body, which was help shed fat and lean up. So the Nationals came and went and he placed terrible. He said that using clen/albuteral made no difference at all to him. Come to find out, this dude was spraying it directly on his stomach thinking it was suppose to be applied that way. He was shocked when we told him he was suppose to inhale it. His answer "But I ain't got no asthma."
Pros are not experts by any means. They are simply people who have taken time or luckily stumbled upon their magic combo that only they respond to. Once you find this method for you, you will then truly see what limitations Mother Nature placed upon you. You can reach your potential. But most people never even come close to discovering it.
sigourney_beaver
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what about apes and their largely vegan diet?
sigourney_beaver
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perryscoon
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Pretty good post, but the big issue between natty sups and steroids is that no one "wonders" if steroids work, but everyone disagrees on whether or not sups do.
So, that should tell you right there that there's a problem with sups and they pretty much do nothing.
I think EVERY teenage kid wastes $100's of dollars on GNC crapola before they finally realize they do absolutely nothing. Eventually, we all end up here, on the steroid forum. lol
So, that should tell you right there that there's a problem with sups and they pretty much do nothing.
I think EVERY teenage kid wastes $100's of dollars on GNC crapola before they finally realize they do absolutely nothing. Eventually, we all end up here, on the steroid forum. lol
dam like 20 pages were a waste of time crap posts but anyways i gotta say diet is higher/ more important .. u dont eat enough cals/protein u wont grow.. u eat to much garbage cals u will get fat as a whale ... also training to long and hard u will only tear your muscles and get counterproductive
perryscoon
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blut wump said:How about cattle, then? They stand around for hours munching grass and marinading in Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - .
Thats a very good point. Also, they give steroids to aids patients who don't work out at all, and they grow.
chazk
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about the cows that grow in finaplix and cows do not work out
the cows grow due to the progesterone, its bloats the shit out of them and some muscle but mostly fat and water,
i grew up on a farm i know first hand the effects and the cows looked like shit, water on the neck, bloated bellies but hell for a extra 30lbs of bloat you can get 1.50$ a pound at the cattle auction so thats 50$ extra per cow pin um behind the ear eazy as that can do a few dozen cows with one cartridge
so the return is very high for the cost of the drug.
a cart for 30$ can bring you back eazy 10 times your money back in bloated fatty cow weight come auction time
the cows grow due to the progesterone, its bloats the shit out of them and some muscle but mostly fat and water,
i grew up on a farm i know first hand the effects and the cows looked like shit, water on the neck, bloated bellies but hell for a extra 30lbs of bloat you can get 1.50$ a pound at the cattle auction so thats 50$ extra per cow pin um behind the ear eazy as that can do a few dozen cows with one cartridge
so the return is very high for the cost of the drug.
a cart for 30$ can bring you back eazy 10 times your money back in bloated fatty cow weight come auction time
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