the best pump in my tricep ever! the outer head of it

[Kid Dynamite]

I think he was using rounded back squats as an example, not saying you should do them. There is no reason to do those, unless you want an injury.

 

[nclifter6feet6]

he said in wsb they do round back squats.....i was asking why does wsb incorparate rounded back squats? it does seem like you could get injured...i guess? hell i dont know

 

[DrBones]

Rounded back squats or deads, may not cause immediate damage, but they do cause degenerative problems in your vertabrae over a prolonged period of time. The wear and tear will eventually catch up if you do your deads/squats in this manner and 20 years down the road you will be living in pain with arthritus or other such maladies.

 

[nclifter6feet6]

then why would west side barbell be so stupid to incorporate such things in there routines?

 

[Debaser]

i totally disagree with you. if he can do it and it doest hurt fine. our bodies are made differntly. so what is bizzare for you may be fine for him. i do my close grip with index finger on the smooth. but i have weak wrist. when i wasnt as strong i could do them that close. if he can do 245 for 3-5 with hands touching, the obviously he has got something going for him.

and wsb does do rounded back squats and goodmornings as well.

X

I will amend my statement slightly, saying PERHAPS (I am not completely sure) that deadlifts (not sure about squats and others) could be done with a rounded back, with SIGNIFICANTLY less weight, in order to prevent injury later by strengthening the muscles in the compromised position.

However this is not really relevant, especially here since this is more of a joint issue.

Just because it doesn't hurt now doesn't mean it won't later. Elbows, like shoulders are not something you want to fuck up. Doing what he's doing will do exactly that. It doesn't matter who you are, you might have joints more robust than others, but that is not a natural position for his joints, and he will learn that the hard way if he doesn't stop now.

 

[scruples]

i feel that i am able to keep my arms closer to my side with my grip just inside shoulder width... any closer and my elbows cannot help but to flare out to the sides, putting them into what i feel is a compromising position... but i also agree that everyone is different and that doing what works is far more important than following some dogma

 

[DrBones]

then why would west side barbell be so stupid to incorporate such things in there routines?

Good question, But I've talked to my chiropractor about this many times... He is by no means small.. he is 5'11, 215 ripped...
He has told me MANY times, that your vertabrae will slowly wear out from the contant wear and tear that is put on them in this compromising position....
It doesn't matter how strong your surrounding muscles are... with a rounded back, pressure is being put on your vertabrae.. end of story...

I'll try to get him to hook me up with some sources tomorrow

 

[b fold the truth]

I love it when bodybuilders argue...lol...

Close grip bench...I have done 315 with my thumbs touching before...years ago. I realized that I could get more of a tricep workout, safer, with a wider grip... Now, when I do them, I use pointer on the smooth... With a super close grip...I can't get the bar to touch my chest... Heck...my hands are in the way, elbows MUST turn out, and it also puts stress on the rotators too...

As far as round back exercises...they work WONDERS for increasing your deadlift and squat. People injure themselves when their back is 'rounded' so why not STRENGTHEN it like that. Don't avoid it...strengthen it!!!

Rounded squats? ????? Round back GM's for sure...a definate plus as well as Zercher Squats. Both are good for erector development, increasing the deadlift and squat, and injury prevention.

B True

 

[DrBones]

As far as round back exercises...they work WONDERS for increasing your deadlift and squat. People injure themselves when their back is 'rounded' so why not STRENGTHEN it like that. Don't avoid it...strengthen it!!!

As far as injury is concerned, I'm not talking about pulling a muscle in your back.... I'm talking about the position your vertabrae are put in while performing these movements.
This position may put you at risk for hurting muscles, and doing these movements in this manner may strengthen the muscles in your back, but after years and years of wear and tear in this position, the vertabrae in your lower back are going to have taken a severe beating... After 10 years of lifting in this manner I doubt it would be uncommon for many people who lift with rounded backs to have phase 3 subluxation in their lower vertabrae. I have phase 2 subluxation in my t2.t3,t4 vertabraes in my upper back already (from other things) which is the beginning of arthritus, and its fuckin terrible.. I get many nerve problems which span into my shoulders and neck...... Definitely not fun.

I'm only relaying what my chiropractor has told me, who also happenes to be a powerlifter turned bodybuilder, and obviously is a DR in spinal care has told me... After 8 years of schooling, he's got to know what hes talking about when it comes to spinal care.....

I'm not trying to rip on anyone here.. I just want you guys to be healthy... take care of your back, its a longevity thing... you only have one, and once its fucked.... well.. life is a lot more painful.. and working out becomes a lot more challenging

THanks

This isn't meant to be a big arguement.. I'm just trying to help prevent future back problems... as I'm already fucked up the wazoo and I'm only 21...

 

[Tagio]

B Fold, I'm training for aggressive inline, (basically rollerblading with jumping around and over stuff, not a 'real' sport) and so I'm working mostly on core strength, for vertical leap and injury prevention: deads, squats. since it's not possible to always keep a straight back during my sport, would you suggest some rounded back exercises added to my routine?

I was doing some dumbbell straight-leg deads, allowing my back to round at the bottom. this mimicked a position I find myself in a lot after an unbalanced landing. they felt great actually, should I keep doing them?