Tbol and Katana Stack

[srfskr]

Looking at running a Tbol Katanadrol v3.0 stack. I have bounced this off one of the senior members and he has suggested a preference for var - my only issue with var is it destroys my aerobic capabilities and that's gonna be a problem.

stats

45 yrs
175cm
67.5kg
10.5%bf

Objectives are retaining lean muscle mass and increasing strength and endurance for a power based swim bike and run training bloc - I am an ironman triathlete who has just ended his race season till October (I'm in the southern hemisphere). In the off season I do fair bit of crossfit type workouts - plyometrics, core, kettle bells trx etc. plus appx 18hrs of run, bike and swim per week. I have dropped about 4 kg over the last 5 months as my race season progressed.

planned 6 week cycle as follows:

1 - 6 20mg Tbol ED (not looking for bulk here, athletic recomp)
1 - 6 3 Katanadrol capsules ED
3 - 6 Forma 4 pumps am and pm as needed
1 - 6 HCGenerate 5 PD
1 - 6 On cycle support - Liv52 and Red Rice Yeast and Coenzyme q10

PCT

7 - 10 Test Infusion
7 - 10 Forged Post Cycle
7 - 10 Forma 3 pumps am and pm
7 - 10 DAA 3000mg ED

will follow with Sarms stack after PCT - GW and Osta into new season.


any thoughts on the choice of stack greatly welcomed as well as additional PCT thoughts

 

[notjake11]

Var won't fuck up your aerobic ability if you load up on taurine during the cycle while running it. I ran an Anavar/Proviron cycle at the end of last year and my runs actually improved once I took taurine to counter the pumps I was getting early on.

 

[rustilldown]

Var won't fuck up your aerobic ability if you load up on taurine during the cycle while running it. I ran an Anavar/Proviron cycle at the end of last year and my runs actually improved once I took taurine to counter the pumps I was getting early on.

How much taurine do you suggest? I am experiencing some nasty pumps here on my helladrol run , not trying
To hijack the thread just hoping for answers that can help both of us out.

 

[Jbranken]

I love tbol! I see you have daa in your pct but if you haven't bought it yet, some methyl EAA would stack really well with test infusion

 

[Svenman19]

I would up your tbol dosage to 50-60 man

 

[joeblow12345]

I'd definitely up the Tbol to at least 60 mg. a lower dose doesn't mean that its going to offer a recomp effect. It just won't be noticeable at all. Diet is what determines the outcome.

 

[Jbranken]

I would up your tbol dosage to 50-60 man

Didn't even notice that lol. OP he's right. You'll shut yourself down for almost no results at 20mg Ed. I like 60mg personally. If I'm gonna shut down my natty production, I'm gonna make sure I run a good cycle. Otherwise, its all for nothing

 

[notjake11]

How much taurine do you suggest? I am experiencing some nasty pumps here on my helladrol run , not trying
To hijack the thread just hoping for answers that can help both of us out.

I bought bulk powder Taurine from Mr. Supp and did 10g/day spread 5 am and pm (was running Var at 80/day and Prov at 75).

 

[srfskr]

Didn't even notice that lol. OP he's right. You'll shut yourself down for almost no results at 20mg Ed. I like 60mg personally. If I'm gonna shut down my natty production, I'm gonna make sure I run a good cycle. Otherwise, its all for nothing

Hi guys - thanks for input so far. Regarding dosages - ran 30mg last year and picked up too much density too fast - I respond very well to Tbol. Had to drop the dosage because was bulking too much.

For athletic dosages, the East German athletic use was based upon 10% of body weight for track athletes (mid distance) and swimmers. That would put me at 15mg per day. Have done quite a lot of research on tbol and athletic use - not so easy to find data, but it's out there.

In principal tho - u all reckon it will stack with Katanadrol?

Thx again guys - seriously love to learn and this site is a well of great data.

 

[dylangemelli]

Hi guys - thanks for input so far. Regarding dosages - ran 30mg last year and picked up too much density too fast - I respond very well to Tbol. Had to drop the dosage because was bulking too much.

For athletic dosages, the East German athletic use was based upon 10% of body weight for track athletes (mid distance) and swimmers. That would put me at 15mg per day. Have done quite a lot of research on tbol and athletic use - not so easy to find data, but it's out there.

In principal tho - u all reckon it will stack with Katanadrol?

Thx again guys - seriously love to learn and this site is a well of great data.

what exactly are you using it for bro? if your just trying to enhance cardio and endurance work then aas is not what you are needing...

 

[srfskr]

what exactly are you using it for bro? if your just trying to enhance cardio and endurance work then aas is not what you are needing...

Hi man - aim is to build off season power and strength up again. Need to pick up a bit if muscle mass (lost anout 8 lbs over my race season) and improve strength for power based training bloc. That said, I will still be continuing with cardio work on the run, swim and bike, however goal is improving power output at this stage.

Once done with muscle gain, will start back on to Osta and GW post pct as training shifts back to race prep and endurance work.

Hope I've verbalized that sensibly

 

[Jbranken]

Well it's not gonna make you huge, and you'll drop a good amount of the weight after the cycle is done.

 

[srfskr]

Yeah - I hear you. A difficult one indeed. Think I'm gonna c how I react to this cycle. Will start with the 20mg and gauge response - have enough tabs to run up to 50mg Ed. Will increase dosage based upon my body's response up to max 50.

The katana will prob also give nice strength gains so will assess once cycle kicks off.

 

[elite7777]

Definitely interested in seeing how this cycle goes for you. Please keep us posted.

 

[srfskr]

Definitely interested in seeing how this cycle goes for you. Please keep us posted.

5 days in and absolutely loving it. Running HCGenerate on cycle and n2guard and feel awesome. Tbol at 30mg and 2 katana per day - stims were a bit strong for me. Will prob bump tbol to 40mg.

Strength and power now kicking in. Today did 12k run at 4.50 per km - felt like I could just go forever, then power session -

Glutes and core:

- Bosu single leg squats
- Bosu single leg side lunges
- TRX Lunges - back, fwd and side

Flowed by :

Chest
- cable extensions into dumbell biceps curls
- bench press into biceps curls

Currently in power based training block. Nother long run and swim tomorrow - big bike Thursday.

Lets see .....

 

[elite7777]

Nice results! Keep it up!

 

[srfskr]

So - figured time for an update on Tbol and Katandrol 3.0. 3 weeks into my 6 week cycle with slight amendments as follows

Tbol at 40 mg ED
Katana 2 capsules ED
N2guard - full dose
TUDCA - 250mg am and pm
HCGenerate - full dose
Glutamine and Taurine at 3gms per day each
Fish oils
Extreme Endurance - lactic acid buffer for endurance sports

Diet at around 3500 calories daily - depending on workouts. BMR at about 1600 calories PD, usual daily training burn round 1500 - 2000 calories. Clean diet - minimal grains, fruit, vegetables, fish and chicken are staples.

So far - cycle is awesome. Katana seems to present an incredible feel good effect which is working great with Tbol and HCGen. Strength improves daily and capacity for work s superb. The katana herbal mix is pretty awesome - superb pick up with no jitters or crashing. Just energy, strength and stamina.

The katana plus the power and strength of Tbol is exceptional. So far, beating best expectations. Lean Muscle density up, definition and vascularity getting awesome, power and strength incredible given moderate dosages. As of yet, no need for any on cycle AI, so Forma will wait till PCT.

Training like a demon and recovering like a 16 year old. Insane!!

This has gotta be one of the best oral stacks out there. Gonna stock up on Katanadrol before this one gets banned!!

 

[Jbranken]

Katana is awesome. Good to hear you're having success

 

[srfskr]

Thx Bro. Really impressed with it. Amazing how effective it is with negligible sides. Its really working well with Tbol. Found my favorite orals!!

 

[kkklick]

sounds like its working for you. How much LBM do you think you put on so far? And what is your protein carb fat macro split?

 

[elite7777]

Thanks for the update. Sounds like you found a winner! Keep up the strong work.

 

[srfskr]

sounds like its working for you. How much LBM do you think you put on so far? And what is your protein carb fat macro split?

LBM increase at around 1.5kg ( 3.3lbs). Current caloric into around 50:30:20 - carb, protein, fat. Carb sources primarily fruit and vegetable with very limited grains. Also, around 300 calorie per day from sugars found in energy gels and recovery drinks - as mentioned - high workload of Run,bike and swim at around 2000 calories per day. Proteins from Fish (salmon an tuna) and chicken primarily. Fats are "good" fats - Avo, nuts, oils and fish.

For pure lean building I would drop carbs and push up proteins - probably 10% each way.

 

[srfskr]

Thanks for the update. Sounds like you found a winner! Keep up the strong work.

Thanks man - bit of a crappy weekend. Picked up bit of a sore throat, zero training and eating badly. C'est la vie !!

 

[kkklick]

LBM increase at around 1.5kg ( 3.3lbs). Current caloric into around 50:30:20 - carb, protein, fat. Carb sources primarily fruit and vegetable with very limited grains. Also, around 300 calorie per day from sugars found in energy gels and recovery drinks - as mentioned - high workload of Run,bike and swim at around 2000 calories per day. Proteins from Fish (salmon an tuna) and chicken primarily. Fats are "good" fats - Avo, nuts, oils and fish.

For pure lean building I would drop carbs and push up proteins - probably 10% each way.

Thanks for theinfo, keep killing it bro

 

[srfskr]

Thx bud !!

 

[srfskr]

Pretty Bummed out. Been outta action since Sunday - Pharangytis and ear infection. On anti biotics and cortisone, but zero training. Am continuing my protocol cos don't wanna mess with blood levels and hormones. For the record, cortisone doesn't mix well with Katana - I am like a mad bull in a cage!! Crashing and burning all day ....

Hoefully will be able to resume light stuff on Friday after Antibiotics are done.

Timing is really crappy............

 

[elite7777]

Pretty Bummed out. Been outta action since Sunday - Pharangytis and ear infection. On anti biotics and cortisone, but zero training. Am continuing my protocol cos don't wanna mess with blood levels and hormones. For the record, cortisone doesn't mix well with Katana - I am like a mad bull in a cage!! Crashing and burning all day ....

Hoefully will be able to resume light stuff on Friday after Antibiotics are done.

Timing is really crappy............

Cortisone makes me an angry person but I can also train like a man man while on it!

 

[srfskr]

Cortisone makes me an angry person but I can also train like a man man while on it!

Yeah - hear you. Pity about the infection. I really hate it tho' - shaky irritable palpitating stuff ..... Oh yeah, sounds like clen

 

[elite7777]

Get well soon mate. Remember, the body needs rest...

 

[srfskr]

Get well soon mate. Remember, the body needs rest...

I hear you mate. Hopefully fully rested by tomorrow. Light workout planned ...... Let's see ?

 

[srfskr]

Some more feedback on my stack. Just had BF measured and down to 8%. Was out of action from Mon to Thu with illness, but had a nice workout yesterday at the gym. In spite of illness, still kept diet intact - calories dropped tho' due to loss of appetite - but clean.

Convinced that Katana is the main contributor to the fat loss. I really rate this stuff and recommend you guys grab some on this discounted weekend.

 

[srfskr]

Been another awful week - infection spread to chest and larynx. Now sound like A chainsmoker. Interesting observation wrt Katanadrol - I find it quite harsh on the stomach and it seems to burn my throat - acid reflux. I suspect that has contributed to my laryngitis.

In spite of illness, made the call to continue with cycle hoping to hit it for last 10 days before PCT. For last 2 weeks of cycle I have added Forma 3 pumps am and pm. I have managed to maintain my gains even tho unable to train, and Foma seems to have melted more abdominal fat.

Plan on starting training again tomorrow and will build up into end of cycle Tues a week. Heres hoping that the next 10 days will allow for some good training time .....

 

[elite7777]

Hey bro, how you feelin? Were you able to get back to training? Did you notice anything when you started using the Forma? Cheers~

 

[Jbranken]

Steroid cycles can really put the immune system in the shitter. That's why in many of the logs you read, the logger becomes pretty ill at some point during the cycle. Support supps are always important

 

[rustilldown]

Steroid cycles can really put the immune system in the shitter. That's why in many of the logs you read, the logger becomes pretty ill at some point during the cycle. Support supps are always important

Support supps are key, but it's coming off cycle where I find I can get struck with the colds/ flu like symptoms .

 

[srfskr]

Steroid cycles can really put the immune system in the shitter. That's why in many of the logs you read, the logger becomes pretty ill at some point during the cycle. Support supps are always important

Thx for the input. Yeah - I hear you. Did run full dose of n2guard, Tudca and hcgenerate throughout, plus fish oils, beta alanine, glutamine, taurine and echinacea and ester C. But do feel that the cycle is definitely contributing to the immune weakness. Interesting observation - Tbol and katana both seem to cause increase in acid reflux which is definitely aggregating the chest and throat infection.

I'm pretty sure that the immune response in PCT will be favourable and will be good to go.
that said, overall, the cycle was pretty awesome. Because of illness, i have changed my objectives and will use this final week in the weight room - no cardio. So far have had very good sessions in the gym - strength through the roof, stamina great, muscle density excellent with nice vascularity. Had I Been healthy throughout the cycle, I reckon I would have managed to pick up another kilogram of muscle and been shredded. As is , given two weeks off ill, am very lean and vascular with solid lean muscle gain.

I will def run this one again, and hopefully will be able to utilise it as planned.

 

[srfskr]

Hey bro, how you feelin? Were you able to get back to training? Did you notice anything when you started using the Forma? Cheers~

Hey man - have got back into it this week but only doing weights. Not ready to hit heavy cardio, so figured might as well get benefit of cycle by hitting the weights exclusively.

Hope to get onto the bike next week. Not noted anything from the Forma yet, but expect that once on PCT it will help with any oestrogen backlash. That said though, my low BF could actually be partially due to the Forma - shoulders and chest are very lean and dry, as are my legs. Hmmm - maybe that's the forma....

 

[srfskr]

So ... Took the advice of the experienced guys on the forum and stuck with the cycle. Good move guys and thx for the advice. Got back into the gym on Friday for a last burst of the cycle. Have had 7 straight days of great workouts. Strength, stamina, pumps etc have been insane.<br />
<br />
Will complete my cycle tomorrow and can report that, in spite of 11 days off sick, I have picked up 10 lbs of solid lean muscle, bf at 9.5% and looking lean and muscular with great vascularity.<br />
<br />
Will start my PCT of methyl EAA, test infusion and Forma stanzol. Will throw in a couple weeks unleashed and bridge left over from my last SARMS stack.<br />
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Overall - brilliant oral stack. Most pleased.