tax break for suv drivers.

[Sushi X]

well, i'm glad you don't see it like most people do.

again, i restate that in order for a fair tax cut to occur, the gov has to reduce spending and reduce it's size. the top two percent can afford a 1-5% increase which is chump change. but since that will never occur we will continue to have this battle.

 

[JohnyJuice]

well, i'm glad you don't see it like most people do.

again, i restate that in order for a fair tax cut to occur, the gov has to reduce spending and reduce it's size. the top two percent can afford a 1-5% increase which is chump change. but since that will never occur we will continue to have this battle.

Let me get this right... If you are making 100k a year, paying 36k to the government is chump change? I have to disagree with you there. And how do you suppose the government is supposed to cut spending when you and your liberal buddies keep dishing out shit like welfare and medicare for losers and illegal aliens?

 

[Sushi X]

100k a year is not in the top 2%, i was speaking of those who make 10mil a year or more.

what's this you and yours bit? i think illegal alliens should obey the law and leave, we'll provide the bus ride home. you don't think it pisses me off that there are millions out there mooching off the government and not working, getting healthcare and food stamps again while i go to work to make ends meat and cannot get any help(not that i'd ask for it). i am all for putting the welfare burden on churches, non profit organizations, family(if it's you family in need) and communities helping each other. the tax payers should not have to fit the bill. now there are some who cannot work and i don't mind them getting something.

yes, i'm considered liberal by people but i would say i'm moderate/ slightly to the left. i'm what you call a different kind of democrat. so be carefull how you use the blanket "liberal" statement. i disagree on a lot of issues that they propose. especially this anti-gun agenda.

 

[JohnyJuice]

100k a year is not in the top 2%, i was speaking of those who make 10mil a year or more.

what's this you and yours bit? i think illegal alliens should obey the law and leave, we'll provide the bus ride home. you don't think it pisses me off that there are millions out there mooching off the government and not working, getting healthcare and food stamps again while i go to work to make ends meat and cannot get any help(not that i'd ask for it). i am all for putting the welfare burden on churches, non profit organizations, family(if it's you family in need) and communities helping each other. the tax payers should not have to fit the bill. now there are some who cannot work and i don't mind them getting something.

yes, i'm considered liberal by people but i would say i'm moderate/ slightly to the left. i'm what you call a different kind of democrat. so be carefull how you use the blanket "liberal" statement. i disagree on a lot of issues that they propose. especially this anti-gun agenda.

Sorry if my last post came off as hostile. I didnt mean it that way. Well, i agree with everything you said except for the tax deal. Fair is fair. everyone should put in the same percentage. I dont think my mind would ever change as far as that goes. And if your views are what you say they are, you are more right wing than you think.

 

[Sushi X]

nah, in the center or left of center. my generosity only goes so far. trust me, there are many things liberals stand for that i do as well. i won't go into them as there are too many.

dont' worry about the hostile thing, we're all friends here.

 

[MortyJackson]

nah, in the center or left of center. my generosity only goes so far. trust me, there are many things liberals stand for that i do as well. i won't go into them as there are too many.

dont' worry about the hostile thing, we're all friends here.

Liberals are hypocrites. You say the rich should pay more now but if you ever make a decent living you will change your tune. There is no reason why a person who makes more should pay a higher percentage of their income in tax. Its not you or anyone elses decision what these people can or cant afford. There should be an equal tax rate for everyone. You are using as much or more of the governments services and are already paying less for it. Why should they pay more and get less?

 

[thebabydoc]

warik, check the math.

15% of my income which is about 12,000 a year is 1800 dollars.
15% for let's say someone who makes 100,000 a year is 15,000.

yes, that's still more than me. they are left with 85,000 a year to live off of. while i'm left with 10,200 to pay bills and such. you say they earned that money so did i. i'm not mooching of the governmetn, i'm working too. why are they entitled to keep more of there money more than me? cause they're rich? you all tend to forget, it's those of us who earn less that provide the services and goods the wealtier need and use. and they are more deserving.

morty, i'm not talking about punishing people for success, stop listening to rush limbaugh. what i'm talking about is more money for us working poor to be able to have to do things like the wealthier do, such as take a freaking vacation, or be able to go to the doctor when we are sick or hurt. why should we be left out of such things when we work just as hard if not harder. is it because we are not some smuck ceo or some rich kid who inherited his daddy's money? give me a break. you won't understand it until you see it from the eyes of us working poor. not the lazy won't work poor, the get up and go work 5-7 days a week poor who make ends meat.

You're kidding, right?
Do you think that they just give out money because you're handsome and witty like me?
I make what I make because I invested hundreds of thousands of dollars and hours into my education and now routinely work 100+ hour weeks. It is absolutely absurd to say that people like me haven't earned every dolar we make. Now if you want to talk about atheletes and actors....

 

[FLASHMAN1]

warik, check the math.

15% of my income which is about 12,000 a year is 1800 dollars.
15% for let's say someone who makes 100,000 a year is 15,000.

yes, that's still more than me. they are left with 85,000 a year to live off of. while i'm left with 10,200 to pay bills and such. you say they earned that money so did i. i'm not mooching of the governmetn, i'm working too. why are they entitled to keep more of there money more than me? cause they're rich? you all tend to forget, it's those of us who earn less that provide the services and goods the wealtier need and use. and they are more deserving.

morty, i'm not talking about punishing people for success, stop listening to rush limbaugh. what i'm talking about is more money for us working poor to be able to have to do things like the wealthier do, such as take a freaking vacation, or be able to go to the doctor when we are sick or hurt. why should we be left out of such things when we work just as hard if not harder. is it because we are not some smuck ceo or some rich kid who inherited his daddy's money? give me a break. you won't understand it until you see it from the eyes of us working poor. not the lazy won't work poor, the get up and go work 5-7 days a week poor who make ends meat.

this doesn't happen often, but I'm with Warik here... This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read... How do you figure that because I make more than you, I should have to pay a higher percentage of taxes than you? If I make $80k per year, and you make $15k, why should I have to pay a higher percentage? 15% is 15%, so because I work harder I should be penalized by paying a higher percentage of taxes??? that's stupid. A flat tax would work fine, it just wouldn't subsidize mooching, lazy,couch potatoes to encourage nothing but breeding yet another generation of lazy, mooching couch potatoes...

 

[WODIN]

This is the proper way to look at the SUV deal..

person A works a 9-5 company job
Person B works independently, has a small buis.

The write over 4 years (deperciation is taken against gross income and a 4500 first year reduction nets you back cash in effect 1260 bucks or 28% of the 4500 to arrive at AGI before tax).



A (JOB) B (SBO)
Income 100,000 100,000

FIT 28,000 28,000

Net Inc. 72,000 72,000


SUV Exp 6,600 6,600

65,400 65,400

Depr. Rec. 0 1,260

Net Affect 65,400 66,660

 

[Sushi X]

Liberals are hypocrites. You say the rich should pay more now but if you ever make a decent living you will change your tune. There is no reason why a person who makes more should pay a higher percentage of their income in tax. Its not you or anyone elses decision what these people can or cant afford. There should be an equal tax rate for everyone. You are using as much or more of the governments services and are already paying less for it. Why should they pay more and get less?

how am i using more of the government's services? maybe as much or even less but not more. i don;t ask for handouts or whatever. i earn my money and pay my bills. all i am wanting is a tax cut for people in my wage bracket. but like always we get left out.