T3 Cycling Reconsidered

[Silent Method]

Background:
T3 FAQ: Everything you need to know about T3
Revised Formula for Cycling and Dosing T3
Liothyronine sodium (T3)
T3 ^ Attention Theorists, Users

This post is in effect an extension of my thread "T3 ^ Attention Theorists, Users."

It is accepted that T3 is best cycled in pyrimid configuration, a fairly quick ramp up to peak dose with emphasis being place on a smooth, and rather lengthy, tapering ramp down.

As of yet, I have seen no evidence supporting the necessity of the smooth, even down taper in regard to actual restoration of natural thyroid function. Instead, it seems that the only reason for this emphasis on the down taper is in effort to reduce the side effects of retarded thyroid function.

If this is so, might it not be better in regard to thyroid function recovery, for the T3 user to utilize a more aggressive "step down" phase? That is, upon cessation of the maximum dosage phase of the T3 cycle, might it not be favorable to step the dose down to a considerably less suppressive dose?

Consider the following:
234 555555555555555555555555 44444433333322222221111111.5.5.5.5.5.5.5

This happens to be a 60 day cycle following CYCLEON's 5% 40% 55% protocol. Conserving the respective protocol ratio, that is 5% up, 40% peak, and 55% down taper, but utilizing a more ggressive "step" down phase we might do this:
234 555555555555555555555555 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 2.5 111111111111.5.5.5.5.5.5.5 .25.25.25.25.25.25.25.25


So, whats the point in proposing this change anyway? Well, consider a statement I made before. "Let me say that I believe very strongly that interrupting any natural body system has the potential to harm that system. The longer the interruption, the greater the chance that harm will occur." Why not, then, attempt to more quickly reduce the highly suppressive levels of the drug?

Theoretically, by bringing the dose down faster and lessening the duration and severity of total thyroid shutdown, we can help facilitate a much more efficient recovery, but still provide enough exogenous T3 to lessen, or even eliminate side effects resulting from lagging thyroid output.

 

[str8cubano]

bump for BigAndy...and other's well educated on T3...as a matter of fact, im on the ramp off right now

 

[Silent Method]

bump for BigAndy...and other's well educated on T3...as a matter of fact, im on the ramp off right now

I second that. How's the cycle going? How'd you configure the cycle?

 

[str8cubano]

I ran it exactly as BigAndy Stated...ramped at 12.5, then 37.5, then 75 for 2 weeks, then 50 for 5 days, now in 4th day at 37.5..

Thing is last 3 weeks was hell and couldnt get the best of it. I had to study for finals, and then i graduated and got sick, so i fucked up my last 3 weeks and couldnt fucking take advantage of the high mcg dossage at 75mcg. Sucks, but oh well, now im trying ot even it out by going on strict low carbs for 4 weeks, till i run out of winny, maybe run some more clen after...Next year, when i have a stable job and not such a volitle schedule, i'll be able to do it "correctly".

 

[Jabs]

Try bigandy's 12.5mg t3/clen cycle. No rebound affect at the end. No thyroid shutdown. Less stressful on the body. I think it is a win/win deal. You just enhance your throid output without shuting it down.

Jabs

 

[BigAndy69]

Silent Method, you're trying to make this really more complicated than it has to be... The truth and the bottom line is that using T3 is wrong, you are hurting yourself.

Once you get up to a certain dose, say 75 mcg, your body eventually adapts to that dose and this becomes "normal". This is the real danger, because when you taper down, you will be below normal. Going back to the example, let say you go from 75mcg to 50mcg. At that point you are below normal even though 50mcg is double the output of a normal Thyroid. Your body is use to 75mcg.

The bottom line is that T3 is not a drug to be played with, you are tapering down to avoid a major crash. Can you imagine going from 75mcg to nothing? I felt like shit once I went down to 37.5mcg from 50mcg...I can't imagine what I would have felt like if I would have stopped alltogether without a taper.

 

[BigAndy69]

Try bigandy's 12.5mg t3/clen cycle. No rebound affect at the end. No thyroid shutdown. Less stressful on the body. I think it is a win/win deal. You just enhance your throid output without shuting it down.

Jabs

Many people are reporting good results with that cycle...it's the only way to go IMO.

 

[Silent Method]

Silent Method, you're trying to make this really more complicated than it has to be... The truth and the bottom line is that using T3 is wrong, you are hurting yourself.

Once you get up to a certain dose, say 75 mcg, your body eventually adapts to that dose and this becomes "normal". This is the real danger, because when you taper down, you will be below normal. Going back to the example, let say you go from 75mcg to 50mcg. At that point you are below normal even though 50mcg is double the output of a normal Thyroid. Your body is use to 75mcg.

The bottom line is that T3 is not a drug to be played with, you are tapering down to avoid a major crash. Can you imagine going from 75mcg to nothing? I felt like shit once I went down to 37.5mcg from 50mcg...I can't imagine what I would have felt like if I would have stopped alltogether without a taper.

Gotchya. I think your right, and the reason I keep bouncing these variable around is that all the clinical data and physiological research I'm finding all points the same way: T3 use outside of valid medical practice is bad.

You know, I'm paranoid about using creatine while on gear for fear that the rapid state of physiological adaptation will somehow limit my natural natural creatine system adaptation to to training. I don't think I'm ready for T3. If I use it, for now I'm going to limit it to 12.5mcg/d.

 

[Amp]

In November I did 75mcg of T3 for 30 days straight with no taper up or down. I was using ECA stack with test and EQ. I lost 15 pounds and kept it off. I did not have any rebound effect.

 

[Silent Method]

In November I did 75mcg of T3 for 30 days straight with no taper up or down. I was using ECA stack with test and EQ. I lost 15 pounds and kept it off. I did not have any rebound effect.

I'm curious, what else were you on and whats your background with T3?

 

[Amp]

This is a very late response but I just noticed it.

I had a nice stack going that helped maintain my muscle. I was on 1gram of test, 600mg eq, 30mg dbol, 1mg EOD liquidex, 6 IU GH 5/2, and 5 IU's slin post workout.

I know the growth worked very well synergistically to help me get those effects and maintain it.

My past use has always been doing the traditional ramp up 1234321. I liked banging out 75mcgs right off the bat.

 

[Silent Method]

Interesting...

 

[Amp]

I'm doing the same thing right now but without the benefit of growth.

I'm on 1gram test, 600mg eq, 40mg anavar, 60mcg clen, 75mcg T3, 1mg Liquidex EOD.

My friends can't believe how quick my abs have come in. I'm going to hit it for a total of 6 weeks at 75mcg then have blood work at the end to see where my natural levels are to see if 6 was pushing it too far. After I had did it for 4 weeks the first time my blood work showed normal TSH levels so I'm going to try to push for an extra 2 to see if that's too much. This is really the only way to see if you are really shutting down anything. Everyone's afraid of this shit but who has actually shut their thyroid down or done permanent damage? I'm sure it's possible if abused, but I'm trying to find the highest I can go without effecting my natural TSH.

 

[Silent Method]

Keep us updated...

 

[BigAndy69]

Amp, I was completely shutdown at a maximum of 50mcg for 15 days. I experience a very bad crash(especially mentally, depression). I was definetely shutdown.

It's a very tricky drug that effects people differently.

 

[Themachine01]

how did you know that you were completely shut down?

 

[BigAndy69]

how did you know that you were completely shut down?

Weight gain despite my diet, extreme lethargy(and I really mean extreme), feeling cold in warm weather, depression...all the symptoms of hypothyroidism.

 

[norr]

Hey, BigAndy69

I have to say I am intrigued by your novel approach in T3 administration and I was considering adding it to my upcomming cycle at 12.5mg/day like you said. I have one question though; if you take 12.5mg every 24hours but the halflife of T3 is 60hours, doesn't that mean your dosage will eventually build up to suppressive levels? Please clear out, thanks.

 

[Amp]

That's interesting that you felt that after 15 days at 50mcg. It is true that everything affects everyone differently but that seems pretty extreme. What else were you using up until the crash? Any gear, clen, eca, extreme low cal diet? These are all things that can contribute to that kind of crash. You don't really know what your thyroid was doing unless you had the bloodwork.

I crashed once at the end of a bulking cycle. I took the last 2 weeks to cut up. The problem was I cut my cals very low and wasn't using an antiestrogen. After the 2 weeks I went to normal eating and my waist grew so fast I have very bad stretch marks around my waist and love handles. The estrogen buildup created my first bad fatty deposits around my lower abs and love handles. The low calorie diet and coming off gear was responsible for lowering my thyroid levels. I wasn't even using T3 at all - and when I had my bloodwork done my TSH levels were way below normal. I had blood taken again and after 3 weeks they were back to normal but the damage was already done and I was fatter much fatter around the waist than before the 2 week diet.

Cutting calories too low is enough to lower your bodies thyroid levels. This is it's own way to adapt and survive on lower calories. Your body doesn't want to burn fat, it wants to hold it so by dropping thyroid levels your base metabolic rate dramatically lowers. This is why T3 can be so beneficial while dieting. You don't have to cut your calories so low that you are in starvation mode and you have high enough thyroid levels to keep burning fast. When you come off the diet, eating regular again you will deposit fat quickly until your bodies TSH levels are back to normal (the premise of yo yo dieting). And everyone recovers at different rates so there isn't really any baseline to go by.

 

[spotlift]

One thing i learned is to watch what you are doing with the prescription and mixing them. I was trying to really loose some body fat and was cycling clen and t3 together. I was getting migrain, which I am prone to. The combination triggered them after a few days of taking them. Not a good side effect. Good thing i figured it out and got a handle on it. . oh had a few pain klliers to help too. The clen alone is fine, I can make it to 6 a day. Still have the t3, not sure if it alone will trigger them. . a little tense about trying them again.

 

[German]

Bigger love handles after T3

I am just tapering down my T3 which I took together with Fina and Winny. I did a pyramid scheme starting with 12.5 mcg for 6 days, then 25 mcg for another 6 days , than 50 mcg for two weeks, 25 mcg for 6 days and 12.5 mcg for the last 6 weeks.
My fat deposits in the lower abs region are now growing to levels bigger than before I started the cycle. I do a lot of cardio, eat less, but still enough to have a good workout.
But still, the fat deposits grow. That's not what I wanted.
Hell, I have to do a lot of cardio to burn my love handles now.

For me, T3 was a negative experience. Never again!

 

[mad muscle]

I just come off t3 about 2-3 months ago no rebound at all I'm still burning fat. I know alot of guys using it with no problems at all .I keep hearing these horor storys on all the boards.but like alot of other things( like all the paranoid posts about how much fake gear is out)Its different than what I see on the streets. I live in the metro N.Y. area were about 99% of the people I know are juiced out off there minds ( all u factory heads know what Im talkin about). and I never heard of any problems with t3

 

[Silent Method]

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