Strongman gay post

[musclebrains]

Why doesn't someone just design a bot to insert this issue into chat every five days, along with the predictable hosannas and the predictable objections?

It is nothing but wishful thinking and amateur armchair psychology, to say nothing of disregard for actual social conditions, to say that a child has to have a mother and father in the home to be well socialized. You ignore the extended family, the network of friends, the schools, even the frequent effort of gay men and lesbians to engage a member of the other gender in an adopted child's upbringing.

The reality is that a huge number of children are being raised in single-parent households. If you want to forbid gay adoptions on the basis that two mixed-gender parents are necessary, then why not extend that social rule to the entire society?

The "baggage" of being raised by gay parents is no greater than that of being brought up by deaf parents, mixed-race parents, etc. I posed the same question a thousand times last time this came up and not one of you answered: Would you also have argued that black children should not have been sent to white schools to desegregate them because of the "baggage," the torment they suffered at the cruel hands of other children?

Finally, I remind you that reviews of literature have turned up no evidence that children raised by gay parents suffer more than other children.

That someone with the handle "Mexican" -- one of the most despised minorities in America right now -- engages in this posturing about another minority is astonishing.

 

[The_Mexican]

Why doesn't someone just design a bot to insert this issue into chat every five days, along with the predictable hosannas and the predictable objections?

It is nothing but wishful thinking and amateur armchair psychology, to say nothing of disregard for actual social conditions, to say that a child has to have a mother and father in the home to be well socialized. You ignore the extended family, the network of friends, the schools, even the frequent effort of gay men and lesbians to engage a member of the other gender in an adopted child's upbringing.

The reality is that a huge number of children are being raised in single-parent households. If you want to forbid gay adoptions on the basis that two mixed-gender parents are necessary, then why not extend that social rule to the entire society?

The "baggage" of being raised by gay parents is no greater than that of being brought up by deaf parents, mixed-race parents, etc. I posed the same question a thousand times last time this came up and not one of you answered: Would you also have argued that black children should not have been sent to white schools to desegregate them because of the "baggage," the torment they suffered at the cruel hands of other children?

Finally, I remind you that reviews of literature have turned up no evidence that children raised by gay parents suffer more than other children.

That someone with the handle "Mexican" -- one of the most despised minorities in America right now -- engages in this posturing about another minority is astonishing.

Why doesn't someone just design a bot to insert this issue into chat every five days, along with the predictable hosannas and the predictable objections

What the hell...

I think I should let you know that the quote from strongman was from a thread that he made that was locked for no given reason... and wtf is wrong with making a thread on this topic... maybe next time Ill look in the archives and bump and old one ... that is if its not locked ...

It is nothing but wishful thinking and amateur armchair psychology, to say nothing of disregard for actual social conditions, to say that a child has to have a mother and father in the home to be well socialized. You ignore the extended family, the network of friends, the schools, even the frequent effort of gay men and lesbians to engage a member of the other gender in an adopted child's upbringing.

Its COMMON SENSE that a child would be better off with a mother and a father. Its absurd to even try to argue otherwise. Sure there are other factors that you mentioned that affect a child's upbringing... but obviously partents play the biggest role. I have nothing against same sex relationships... but the kids would be better off with a loving mother and father than with two loving carpet eaters.

The reality is that a huge number of children are being raised in single-parent households. If you want to forbid gay adoptions on the basis that two mixed-gender parents are necessary, then why not extend that social rule to the entire society

It would be extremely difficult for a single parent to adopt a child. The reason there are so many single parent households is that the parents are biologically related to the kids. Like strongman had said "They live a lifestyle that prevents them from reproducing but they still want kids" you know what, thats tough shit for them. Because its about the kids.

The "baggage" of being raised by gay parents is no greater than that of being brought up by deaf parents, mixed-race parents, etc. I posed the same question a thousand times last time this came up and not one of you answered: Would you also have argued that black children should not have been sent to white schools to desegregate them because of the "baggage," the torment they suffered at the cruel hands of other children?

I dont doubt that having a major disability would hurt your chances of ADOPTING a child. Because there is a good chance that the kid could have emotional "baggage" as a result. But of course they can have as many kids as they want if they're their own. And Ill quote again "They live a lifestyle that prevents them from reproducing but they still want kids." That is the difference.

And I flat out disagree that being brought up by mixed race parents would as emotionally hard on a child as same sex parents.

Finally, I remind you that reviews of literature have turned up no evidence that children raised by gay parents suffer more than other children

I find that hard to belive, does your definition of suffering not include harrasment at school? Wondering youre the only kid on the block that has 2 moms/dads. It would suck enough being an adopted kid, let alone being adopted by a same sex couple.

That someone with the handle "Mexican" -- one of the most despised minorities in America right now -- engages in this posturing about another minority is astonishing.

You cant compare hispanics to homosexuals... thats ridiculous. Oh yea, and my handles "the mexican" and im white, and im a biggot... does that "astonish" you?

 

[the nature boy]

who cares? there's like 3000 + kids in Florida for example waiting to get adopted. Most of them are minorities, some of them have terminal diseases, and nobody wants to adopt them. So if some kind hearted gay couple wants to take care of them, who's that hurting? give me a break.

 

[The_Mexican]

Most of them are minorities, some of them have terminal diseases, and nobody wants to adopt them

Thats exactly why they havnt been adopted. Of course I agree with you here... but that is an exceptional circumstance

 

[starfish]

All of you people who are against gay adoptions, I was just wondering how many unwanted kids you have adopted to give them a family???

 

[the nature boy]

Have you? I have two kids of my own already.

I think you missed her point.

 

[starfish]

No, but I have thought about it. I'm not against gay adoptions though. Many of these kids just want a family, they couldn't care less. It's ashame to deny kids a home because of prejudices.

I often think about adopting a little girl from China. Their orphanages are full. When I get in a place where I could provide a home, etc I will look into it.

 

[the nature boy]

true, I'd prefer that children have an ideal situation where there was a mother and a father. but if nobody else wants to adopt a child why shouldn't a homosexual couple be able to adopt?

 

[starfish]

Every kid will have issues, they will be different for everyone.
Maybe, if our world was not so judgemental, all kids wouldn't have to worry about it????

Should I not adopt an abondoned child from China because I'm not Chinese???? There are issues there.

 

[starfish]

Well, I just saw something about this the other night. A gay couple had adopted four minority, HIV positive babies that no one else wanted.. The kids are happy as clams now, would not trade their parents for the world. They are all ages in school too.

That is a heck of a lot more than most straight people would do.