Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[EPROM]

One Noob's feedback,

The first mistake is to assume that any common noob would take the suggestion of using test as a first cycle without doing further research. For instance, I have been studying everything ALL of you have been saying for quite a while and I STILL can't make up my mind on what to do as a first cycle. You guys are all across the board, ...which in a way is kind of good.

I say that if you have a personal opinion as to what a good first cycle would be, ...then state it! It's up to the noob to do his due diligence in regards to proper research.

There are a LOT of variables that come into play before a noob would run out and grab some test:, (needles, infection, disease, horrible sides, jail, fines, job loss, psycho behavior, bogus AAS, tabs vs injects, stacks, PCT, etc). Any noob that would fire up a test syringe after reading a couple of recommendation posts probably deserves what s/he gets.

BTW: Many of you high-profile posters have stated that you were a "Dumb Noob" on your first cycle, did it all wrong, and wished you could do it again. Who is to say that another Noob can't do it the same way and later end up as another high-profile poster just like you?

Birdman

 

[Roc86]

I agree. Personally id recomend using a non aromaizable compound first such as winstrol, anavar, or tbol --> Why?

#1- these are not as suppressive because they are DHT derrivatives and when your off your body doesnt have a fuckload of estrogen in it. Research on anavar indicated that either 6 week (or 3 months, cannot remember) @ 20 mgs a day definitley suppressed you ... but within days levels of LH, FSH, and Test had returned to normal or exceeded original baselines.

#2- strength gain, without massive size gains = more discrete with regards to freinds, family, and others. Also, the DHT compounds strngth increases tend to be more permanent than estrogen assisted strength gains.

#3- less chance for sides obvious sides such as ance, gyno, testicular atrophy etc.

After a moderate 6 weeker or two, the person should know whether AAS is or isnt for them.

 

[HAYEZ]

this thread really is just non sense...why be on a steroid board saying dont use testosterone...this is just retarded...im sorry but are you guys serious?


eprom fuck off!!!!lolololol

 

[EPROM]

...why be on a steroid board saying dont use testosterone...this is just retarted

...I know that "Test-E Retard" is made by Balkan Pharmaceuticals, but I'm sure there are other brands available

Birdman

 

[Zeeoneandonly]

Well first off, you shouldnt recommend steroids to a newbie at all so there ya go!

But people will take steroids of their free choice. The first cycle, meh! And I generaly dont take supplement vendors advice whatsoever and still wont, just usually a way to steer newbs to their placebenol/sucrabanol products.
I gained 30 lbs of lean muscle mass on winstrol of all things. I went from 230 powerlifter after high school and was in a lowfat diet phase and training to be a triathlete. Ended up a scrawny 6'5' 175 lb guy.
Got some winnie from mexico back in the day that you could and in 2 1/2 months was 205 completely ripped like cover of a magazine.

That has long past. The newbie needs simplicity and I have used dbol, test, var, primo. Hell, I had duffle bags of shit that I used and sold back in the day. The KISS principle applies here. Keep it Simple STUPID!
A dozen preloads is what a newbie needs. Not spun up with this stuff.
Yes, if someone was smart, they wouldnt do it at all, if they did do it, theyd start with something mild like var or primo. But, HELLO, we live in the real world dont we. At least most of us do with no access to a steroid guru who spoonfeeds them anavar.
A young man can handle a test cycle and i have done many and kept the gains with no PCT. I think PCT is also a bit overrated. Just take the hit and keeping working out and eating right. I never lost much post cycle with or without PCT.

If I was mentoring a newb, hell, I'd choose fina. No bloat and good gains and tremendous fat loss. Best yet, it is easy as shit to make and can get it legally and not have to worry about a controlled delivery. Another variable missing from this fine equation. And of course, still wondering what in place of test he recommends. Perhaps one of his legal products he sells himself instead lol

 

[HAYEZ]

...I know that "Test-E Retard" is made by Balkan Pharmaceuticals, but I'm sure there are other brands available

Birdman

dick....lolol

 

[the_alcatraz]

Hayez and Birdman, play nice...

Nelson is a respectable member and he's a smart and good bro...please be respectful

 

[HAYEZ]

Hayez and Birdman, play nice...

Nelson is a respectable member and he's a smart and good bro...please be respectful

its all in fun bro no worries...
nelson def adds to the site...just this topic is out there...

 

[mr.nitro]

this is the stupidest thing ive read in a long time. thank you nelson.

I think ill stick with my testosterone.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Quick points.

# 1: The fact that primo is expensive is irrelevant to the topic.

#2:The fact that it's faked has nothing to do with the original point.

#3: I'm not hearing any arguments as to what I'm saying is wrong other than some people like test and want to use it.

Not everyone wants AAS to be a lifetime thing. Some guys do a few cycles and that's it. If you want to have a functional HPTA, then you should go as easy as possible on it. A first cycle can be very successful without bashing the HPTA, so why do it? That's my point. You can always go stronger. That will lead to more growth. The more you take early on will determine you needing more later on.

And Tat is 100% correct. NOBODY has studies as to how one steroid is different than another and there are millions of variables that can be argued infinitum anyway. Show me the study that says Var doesn't aromatize. We all know it doesn't. But where's the proof? Some things are just common sense based on the information that exists.

And yes, we need to look at things differently instead of parroting what the popular message board fashion is. If someone thinks they can come up with interesting theories based on a cogent argument then please, post it up. That's the stuff that I find intriguing. But it's not as easy as you may think.