I would never advocate dissing the anabolic forum, I still spend a lot of time there absorbing knowlege from the experts there. But I'm kind of in the catagory that Joker mentioned, I am very happy with my training, and as much as I am happy to try new things and add variations, the odds are the core of my routine will remain the same, if it aint broke I aint fixin it. But at the same time, my experience and research leaves me with some knowlege to share, so that's one of the reasons I hang here. I wish some of the bro's from the anabolic board would come here to do the same, image having NPC competitors like quadsweep here helping guys with their training, where else could you find that?