well i suppose i can throw my .02 in. i recently started dieting 2months ago. went from 235lbs at 5'10, doing 315 for 10reps, squatting 405 for many reps, and deadlifting over 600, to a lean 197lbs, with an 8-pack visibile. in the summer time, i will get lean, i never dieting up until this point. but over the winter i will bulk, but in the future ill do more of a clean bulk, add alot more clean carbs, and maybe jump up to maybe 13% body fat like Biggt noted. before i was maybe 15% maybe more, i dont know, just no visible abs at all, no belly though, just a block. dont wanna get like that again. middle of the row is good, not too bulked to where tieing your shoes has you taking a deep breath.