'Shocked and Horrified' by Larry Mosqueda, Ph.D.

[Frackal]

What are the ages of most people in this thread?? You have to be very young like under 25. Its unreal to hear Americans on the street being patriotic then hear young kids just out of liberal brainwashing facilities wimper about how evil the US is......... well love it or leave it children, if you agree with the PH.D that wrote this then please move to freedom loving countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and stop spreading your liberal guilt about how evil the US is..................should I refute what this jackass said?? I could but it would take a ton of research. And what would it prove?? There would still be liberal crying about how evil the US is.

Aren't there any real americans here?? Chesty..............but who else??

What the fuck is this garbage? Love it or leave it? What happened to, if you're not satisfied with it, you try to change it?

What makes you think that just because I strongly disagree with a lot that my country does that I am not a patriot?

Brainwashing? Which one of us is thinking for ourselves, and which one is blind here? I'll give you a hint...it's not me.

I'm not a victim of any liberal brainwashing...for one thing, I'm not a liberal, nor am I a conservative..I'm somone who bases their opinons on a case-by-case basis rather than a party line follower.

 

[talonracer]

I'm not a victim of any liberal brainwashing...for one thing, I'm not a liberal, nor am I a conservative..I'm somone who bases their opinons on a case-by-case basis rather than a party line follower.

LOL well I'm neither a repulican or democrat. I'm fiscally consevative but very liberal socially..........so maybe I'm a liberatarian who knows??

So how old ARE you??? My point was you read drivel like that guy wrote and blindly accept it.............well why not do this....RESEARCH what he was talking about. First off alot of this shit happened during our war against communism..........hell we had segregation in the 50's. Guess what?? The world changes.
Do i agree with everything my governments does?? Fuck no!!! But do I blindly take some PH.D's word for shit?? Hell anyone can take an event triple the amount of people killed then blame the US. I mean some of the stuff he says is like saying, "The US was responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of Germans from the early 1900's to the middle 1900's..............I mean JEEEEZ how gullable are you people?? I can take any event in history and inflate death totals then make it seem like its someone's fault. So where are this guy's referances??? I read that stupid drivel then surfed the 'net a bit.......lo and behold he either didn't tell the whole story or stretched the truth...........yet you sit here and say you see things from both sides. Well then why don't you start now??
Its just sick this country is coming together like I've never seen im my lifetime,yet there are always wet blankets who gripe and complain about this country even NOW. Yea pull up shit that happened 50 years ago to tell us why we should hate America today................or tell us how evil we were for Standing up to Saddam Hussein............... unreal

 

[the nature boy]

So that essay is false? Tomorrow I'll find you facts that prove IT ALL TO BE TRUE, if you like.

As for the war in Iraq, THAT's WHY I JOINED THE MILITARY PAL so don't go tell me to leave my country! I'm a fucking voter, a taxpayer and a gun owner, you don't like it YOU LEAVE!

Yes we were at war when we slaughtered all those people (civ's and military) retreating, and war is war, shit like that happens. But the people need to know that it happend out there, and while we showed cool videos of buildings getting blown up and shit we need to see the human face of war which is not pretty.

As for the war on Communism, that was a fight we needed to win. But at what cost to the innocent pawns in all of this. We overthrew Allande in Chile, so we could put Pinochet in power, that SOB killed thousands of his people and he even killed americans too. Read up on Kissenger and you'll see what I mean.

All I was trying to say is that OUR country needs to learn from it's mistakes and not repeat them.

 

[chesty]

You may have missed my point. I mention Jane Fonda (about as leftist as you can get) who did everything in her power to prove our war against North Vietnam was wrong. Even to the extent of getting our military men killed. This article by the driviling pussy, is stating that our gov't did something similar by furthering our its cause (our cause) but in that case it is evil.

Our gov't has made its share of mistakes, we have helped people and country's in the past that have turned out to become our enemy's in the future.

My education. I have a BS in Aerospace engineering, Minors in Math and physics, half done with a master's in physics as well.

I am a Marine, and a taxpayer. People like the youngsters on this board and the sniveling Jane Fondas, do not understand that the only reason they live the way they do is because of what our gov't has done and will do. And while they claim to disagree with our gov't tactics, they readily enjoy all of the benifits of them.

Would you be willing to no longer be able to drive, fly, watch tv, own a house, have a job, get and education, worship freely, disagree with your leaders without fear of execution, have a fine young lady and be able to show her off to the rest of the world, wear whatever clothes you want, play video games, go on dates, etc.

I think you get my point. People like our Ph.D dude from above our responible for more crap and trouble in the world then anything else. Yes, you and others like you, remain in the past, espousing those ideas as current and valid. If you truly think for yourself, then ask yourself this:

"Can I do without and will I do without all that has been given to me by those who came before me and died so that I may have and enjoy what I now do, because I believe my gov't to be wrong and murderous?"

In war you will always have innocent casualties. But I believe we have done a good job lately of minimizing those.

As for wasting the retreating Iraqi's, Just as Gen Schwarzkopf said, they were taking their equipment with them, which left them with the capability to continue to wage war. We could not allow them to do that.

Just like Netinahu (Israel former leader) said to us about this, stop the legalisms, you have been attacked, this a war, and you must treat it as such. You cannot arrest and hold trial with the perpatrators of this act of war. You must defend yourself and fight this war, because they will be fighting it if you don't. Or something close to that.

Okay, I am hungry gotta go eat a beef burger with some greasy fries and a diet coke.

Long live America.

 

[big4life]

Governments have and will always do what is
in their best interests.

It would be great if everything was black and white.
But that is not the way it is in real life. Sometimes
you have to choose the lesser of two evils.

Also remember what looks like the right thing to
do today, might turn out to actually have been the
wrong thing to do, when you look back in 10 or 15
years.
It's like they say: Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[the nature boy]

You may have missed my point. I mention Jane Fonda (about as leftist as you can get) who did everything in her power to prove our war against North Vietnam was wrong. Even to the extent of getting our military men killed. This article by the driviling pussy, is stating that our gov't did something similar by furthering our its cause (our cause) but in that case it is evil.

Our gov't has made its share of mistakes, we have helped people and country's in the past that have turned out to become our enemy's in the future.

My education. I have a BS in Aerospace engineering, Minors in Math and physics, half done with a master's in physics as well.

I am a Marine, and a taxpayer. People like the youngsters on this board and the sniveling Jane Fondas, do not understand that the only reason they live the way they do is because of what our gov't has done and will do. And while they claim to disagree with our gov't tactics, they readily enjoy all of the benifits of them.

Would you be willing to no longer be able to drive, fly, watch tv, own a house, have a job, get and education, worship freely, disagree with your leaders without fear of execution, have a fine young lady and be able to show her off to the rest of the world, where whatever clothes you want, play video games, go on dates, etc.

I think you get my point. People like our Ph.D dude from above our responible for more crap and trouble in the world then anything else. Yes, you and others like you, remain in the past, espousing those ideas as current and valid. If you truly think for yourself, then ask yourself this:

"Can I do without and will I do without all that has been given to me by those who came before me and died so that I may have and enjoy what I now do, because I believe my gov't to be wrong and murderous?"

In war you will always have innocent casualties. But I believe we have done a good job lately of minimizing those.

As for wasting the retreating Iraqi's, Just as Gen Schwarzkopf said, they were taking their equipment with them, which left them with the capability to continue to wage war. We could not allow them to do that.

Just like Netinahu (Israel former leader) said to us about this, stop the legalisms, you have been attacked, this a war, and you must treat it as such. You cannot arrest and hold trial with the perpatrators of this act of war. You must defend yourself and fight this war, because they will be fighting it if you don't. Or something close to that.


Long live America.

5th paragraph, do we need to be so murderous in the future from now on to have our luxuries we hold so dear? Do we need to install people who kill their own people so we can have 1000 TV channels? I think we can do a better job and be more righteous with our foreigh policy. We need to be an example of what every country should strive for, a democracy that is moral and just. I think there is a better way then just accepting the staus quo.

Sept 11 has shown us that the world has become smaller. Events across the globe can be felt here. We must start working with our neighbors (aka the world) and become a model for other countries to follow, and assist them to that goal. We spend billions of dollars "helping" other countries, to me it doesn't seem like it's helping. Because the aid we gives goes to corrupt or opressive leaders who should not be in power in the first place (And that is current history chesty). Why don't we at least keep the money here in the states then give it to murders and crooks.

As for the war in Iraq, like I said I agree with everything that happened, that's why I went into the army. I'm just saying everone needs to know what happened down there and be AWARE of what is going on now.

Long Live America.

 

[fiatconspiracy]

liberals take it in the ass , and are poison for america, do your country a favor, remove a liberal wacko

 

[musclebrains]

Did I just see the inevitable Chesty brag about his own education and then diss someone else for having a PhD? Typical. In an ethos that values power and size, naturally he´d have to diss someone with a bigger degree.

Thanks for posting the essay, Velvett. While the average American´s ignorance is forgivable, I find the willful stupidity of the American media, its refusal to look at the bigger picture, to educate people about the context here, unforgivable.

If you applied the logic of George Bush and his chest-thumping supporters to America itself, you´d have a great case for why CHile, for one example of many, should have bombed the US "back to the stone age." We have harbored more terrorists and aided more terrorism than any country on the planet.

When Bush says this is a "new war," what he means is that it´s new for the US to experience this kind of loss. This "war" has been conducted in continual bombing of the MIddle East by America for 10 years.

All of us are grief-stricken and angry, and the bombs-away mentality is an effective SHORT-TERM way of avoiding questions none of us want to ask about America's position in the world. Go ahead and have your moment of revenge on Afghanistan but rest assured that a jihad of suicidal fanatics with money to move all over the globe and strike without any motive but to terrorize won´t be the least bit deterred. It will, in fact, be fed, because its only reason for existing is revenge, rational or not.

 

[the nature boy]

Governments have and will always do what is
in their best interests.

It would be great if everything was black and white.
But that is not the way it is in real life. Sometimes
you have to choose the lesser of two evils.

Also remember what looks like the right thing to
do today, might turn out to actually have been the
wrong thing to do, when you look back in 10 or 15
years.
It's like they say: Hindsight is 20/20.

Yes I agree with what you say. Some of our actions were unintentional, but some were on purpose (Chile, Kissenger knew what he was doing there).

All I'm saying is that we have the resources and people to start trying to figure out the LONG TERM implications of our current policies. Is that too much to ask? I think not for the greatest country in the world.

 

[Fonz]

I am always shocked and amazed at how the leftists are stuck in the past. This Ph.D which, by the way stands for Piled Higher and Deeper, is more of a pussy and afraid to stand up and fight putting his life on the line. He enjoys he freedom of speech (tripe that it is) due to the actions of the US. He is an insult to those who have died, he has belittled their death, and the death of those Americans soldiers, Marines, etc that have fought and died or been injured for this country.

Hope, the war doesn't start up over here, cause I will have a hard time defending the likes of him.

Well Chesty, logically speaking he's right on the money.

Godspeed