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Serious Questions about Homosexuals.... Seriously, it's serious this time.....

It's silly to deny that some voices are recognizably "gay."

There are a zillion explanations for it. Probably the most common is dballer's -- that it served in the past as an identity marker for a minority that would be invisible to one another without signs. It's generally presumed that a subculture must identify its members, even at their peril, in order to protect the group's existence.

But why the "lisp" in particular? One explanation is that because gay men were feminized throughout this century they adopted a "sibilant" style of speech -- in just precisely the same unconscious way that women adopt softer speech. In femnist and queer discourses, this is a fucntion of "performativity," where gender style is created by unconscious cues from the culture that are reiterated in gesture and other forms of behavior (like speech).

As gay men become more assimilated, all the classic markers are disappearing.

It's worth mentioning that for many years, Brits and French people were dissed as sounding "sissy" to American ears and many people still think the Southern aristocracy, like the Charleston upperclass, sound gay, regardless of orientation. Which in turn suggests that any voice heavy on the "s" sound gets classified as gay -- for the underlying reason of misogyny.
 
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TN MuscleBear said:


I believe that for some guys, meeting other gay guys for the first time and developing a peer group of other gay people inspires a bit of "joining" that happens with lots of groups. And, sometimes, this peer group develops some common charactaristics regarding speech patters, mannerisms, etc. Hence, the lisp and flamboyant behavior. It's just like any other fringe group that people "join" so they have a feeling of belonging - from Valley Girls (Like, totally) or dumb jock football players or punk rockers or whatever. All of these groups have some steriotypical behaviors associated with them...but of course not all people that in some way "belong" to that group share common mannerisms and speech patterns.

Very true. I have a cousin, married with two kids, a straight arrow, I thought. Two years ago, he announced he was gay, divorced his wife and showed up to spend a month with me. I couldn't believe the change that had overcome him. He had become more flamboyantly gay than Ru Paul.
 
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