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The top 5% wealthiest americans started their own successful businesses, like Bill Gates or the family owners of Wal-Mart. Of course sales were involved, but they are in almost any business endeavor; but I would not call these people salesman in the sense you guys are talking about it here. They are innovators. Where do you get your stats rudedawg...
rudedawg said:
You're an OK guy anyway.
The earning potential in ANY enterprise (sales or anything else) is capped at whatever you want it to be and can make it be. For a lot of people, that's pretty low.
Many salespeople can actually do better with the structure that sales life gives them. In that context, they are OK. Outside of it, they're screwed.
You know I am right.
rudedawg said:
This is misinformation.
An annual income of $130,000 places you in the top 4% of earners nationwide. An annual income of $319,000 places you in the top 1%, though the average for the top 1% is $915,000.
Generally, the wealthiest people in the country are corporate founders. Gates, Ellison, Dell, Redstone, Siebel, the Waltons - those are the names we all know, but there are hundreds of others we never know of.
Labeling these people as salesmen is incongruous. Those of you that align them with what you are doing, are fooling yourselves, unless you too have founded something.
MattTheSkywalker said:
You have zero clue! Telecom is hot as hell. With technology moving quickly towards IP based communication I once again will have another product to sell at a cheaper price with better scalability and loads easier to mange in-house. Check out these companies MTS! yipes.com, savvis.net, talkingnets.com, and so on. No, I have been in telecom sales for over 7 years now. look at this company MTS, you jealous fool, www.usoncology.com, they have the largest data network in the healthcare arena and I sell them every single circuit. Most of their network is Frame and OC connections. Guess what, when IP based communication gets out of Beta tests and Fortune 500 start to implementing, you better believe I will have a ton of business to sell. Rip out your routers and CSU/DSU's lay off 2-3 geeks in IT at every location who manage the WAN, you will only need one now, save your busines 50-80% in circuit cost. SO eat me asshole and don't speak unless you are educated on the subject. Now get back behind your desk and work. HAHAHAA
Nitlyan,
I know at least as much about telecom sales as you do, if not more. Been down that road. I know the tech side of it too.
If you care - I'm fully self-employed now. I do work crazy hours, but when I sell something, it has my name on it. Can you say the same thing?
You could not accomplish this in 100 lifetimes. You need the structure of sales.
Peace.
I know at least as much about telecom sales as you do, if not more. Been down that road. I know the tech side of it too.
If you care - I'm fully self-employed now. I do work crazy hours, but when I sell something, it has my name on it. Can you say the same thing?
You could not accomplish this in 100 lifetimes. You need the structure of sales.
Peace.
MattTheSkywalker said:
I know the tech side too. Sold hardware and software for the world's largest direct supplier. 2 years of that shit. Then found the real money. Sorry you couldn't hack the corporate sales field...I stole a few clients from my mighty company who used to employ me. Now I sell my own services...resell and consulting work. What is your hourly rate? Mine is $85/hr...plus the commissions. Don't try and belittle me MTS. It seems you have a beef with sales people. I guess you couldn't meet quota and got canned! Sorry bro..better luck next time. Good luck with your venture. I seriously hope you get to make some coin for yourself. It feels GREAT!
nitlyan said:
I never did sales. I bought a lot of shit as an IT manager.
My beef with the profession of sales is that you rarely learn other aspects of business.
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest. I just signed a six figure book deal, I am negotiating contracts with two of the largest netowrk hardware comapnies to develop a journal and attend conferences for them, and I have close to signing a deal to provide educational materials for several school districts.
I sell my ass off. But always my own shit. My admin assistants combined make $85 per hour. Interesting.
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MattTheSkywalker said:
You're an OK guy anyway.
The earning potential in ANY enterprise (sales or anything else) is capped at whatever you want it to be and can make it be. For a lot of people, that's pretty low.
Many salespeople can actually do better with the structure that sales life gives them. In that context, they are OK. Outside of it, they're screwed.
You know I am right.
Well thanks.... I always wondered if I was a whore though.
Not sure I follow you with the earning potential statement. If you are salaried or hourly you are screwed in my opinion. Yes you can climb the corporate ladder but how long will it take and what happens when you reach the top rung? You are still going to be capped at whatever the boss wants to pay you. With sales their is no limit. You make what you earn. You sell 1000 whatevers you make whatever the commission is for them. If you only sell 250 you earned what you made. You could be a real go getter or have a great week/month/quarter and sell 1 million of them. If you work for ABC company and are salaried or hourly and bring in 10,000 new clients, stores, people, whatever you still make what the boss pays you unless of course a bonus pops up. In the same time frame if you only bring in 250 clients, stores, people, etc.... you still make whatever the boss pays you.
I know the structure that the sales life has given me the past 7 years there is no way in hell I would want to punch a time clock or have someone tell me when and where to be. Now there are many that can't work in this enviroment because they lack discipline, self confidence, etc....
That's why 80% sell 20% of the business and 20% sell 80% of the business. And that is why I enjoy going on all the trips that those 80% don't get to go on.
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