* Red² - T's Journey 2007 *

[The Shadow]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

Well that is why there is a sweet potato in your dinner plans

YEP.....i ALWAYS STICK A STARCH IN THERE AS THE DIETS ARE BELOW MAINTENANCE

 

[ck2006]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

O.k. so for example not to sound like a complete idiot....
I go to the gym at 9:00 hit weights.. The optimal meal for me would be whey protein and power ade. O.k. this leads me to the next question... Now that I'm training that late at night should that affect the amount in grams I take in?!?
So would I alter my carb post work-out intake vs. the time of day?!

not an idiot!

 

[future]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

you suggest eating fats at bedtime but no carbs??

I know *why* - ie - casein protein - slow leak of nutrients etc


why no carbs??


Knowing that growth and repair occur when you sleep - as its the most anabolic hours of the day - why would you cut carbs then??


if you can eat fat and protein(total cals in mind of course) - you can eat carbs as well....there is no biochemical reason not to

I suggest as an energy alternative yes. You can infact train the body ala ATKINS to burn the fats. Does this mean eat SPAM? No. Obviously the amount still would be low regardless.

Most people get more than enough carbs. The glycogen replinishment has been more than fulfilled toward the evening in general unless there are training concerns. The pancrease releasing insulin isnt a bad thing as well know but having too many carbs most likely already in the diet would just result in fat storage. Granted some muscle cells to absorb some of the sugars but the fat cells do as well.

 

[treilin]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

I suggest as an energy alternative yes. You can infact train the body ala ATKINS to burn the fats. Does this mean eat SPAM? No. Obviously the amount still would be low regardless.

Most people get more than enough carbs. The glycogen replinishment has been more than fulfilled toward the evening in general unless there are training concerns. The pancrease releasing insulin isnt a bad thing as well know but having too many carbs most likely already in the diet would just result in fat storage. Granted some muscle cells to absorb some of the sugars but the fat cells do as well.

O.k. so someone explain to me then why my body fat increased?!?! All I eat before bed is fat and protein, hardly no carbs at my meal prior been this way for the past.

Here's actual stats for you:
Sept 17th after trip to Hungary jumped on 1800 cals, at a 40/30/30
Oct 22nd switched intake to 2100 cals at 50/28/22
Nov 12 switched to 2200 cals at 50/28/22
Dec 10 same 2200 cals 50/28/22

I realize SBT is new at BF measures by way of calipers but this is what I was at AND pictures show the difference in fat: (yes this is just done to track)

Sep 17th 151 pounds roughly 25%
Oct 22nd 155 pounds 21.8%
Nov 12th 158 pounds 21.4% (This looked the biggest drop in fat)
Dec 10th 160 pounds 21.8% (I look the same here as I did BF wise Oct 22nd)


So I was at a 40/30/30 and yes automatically dropped weight because off from junk. My way to increase cals was to increase the protein and fat macros' over the carbs. (Future's way of thinking and what I thought at that point) So since I switched to this initially I saw a drop but now I'm stabilizing in doing so I have had no BF loss, only some BF gain.
Cardio has maintained the same amount of cals to burn the whole time.
My weight program is the best so I'm not concerned there Diet has been a clean bulk. Food same pretty much all the time, and I have SBT for back up on that.

Shadows = go back to 2,000 cals at 40/30/30
Future = Says ?!?!

If I drop carbs like Future suggests lower carbs I should be dropping fat but not what my stats show.. CONFUSED over here about all this...

 

[future]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

So you'll wake up slightly depleted, ensuring that carbs you eat during the day are stored as glycogen rather than fat. Many also reccommend morning cardio, which synergystically works with the carb cutoff if you do it before eating carbs (you might have a protein shake, then do some cardio, then get back and eat a bunch of carbs to refill yourself). plus you're not going to use carbs at night anyways (usually), so it makes sure that you aren't overloading with carbs when you're already full, which usually leads to fat gain.

It works well. I find that separating energy carbs and fiber carbs also helps to make sure I get in all my veggies and fiber.

 

[future]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

I would have about 50% of your diet as protein. Increase water if not already doing so. Add green tea to your diet as its a natural thermogenic. Carbs well. Depends on the glycemic index as well. First meal and after training still might need a mid gly carb. Hard to tell because I dont know everything about how you train etc. That is something to question at this point as well.

 

[The Shadow]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

I suggest as an energy alternative yes. You can infact train the body ala ATKINS to burn the fats. Does this mean eat SPAM? No. Obviously the amount still would be low regardless.

Most people get more than enough carbs. The glycogen replinishment has been more than fulfilled toward the evening in general unless there are training concerns. The pancrease releasing insulin isnt a bad thing as well know but having too many carbs most likely already in the diet would just result in fat storage. Granted some muscle cells to absorb some of the sugars but the fat cells do as well.

As far as glycogen replenishment - theres no way to tell that is there??


I would think that a late workout would drain glycogen, yes??

As you know, there is very very little chance of cals getting stored as fat after a wokout.


You alluded to the fact that carbs late at night will somehow pile on fat....

Funny thing about Atkins - Protein is converted DIRECTLY to glucose(on very low-zero carb diets) via cleaving off a Nitrogen group...so the body will convert on an as needed basis...


bottom line:


Eating carbs after 6pm will NOT IMPACT fat loss as long as total cals are kept in line.


that is not an opinion.


It's JUST like saying not to eat protein after 10am, its just an arbritary rule that has no scientific basis.......it originated YEARS ago.....the crux of the point is that cals eaten late in the day dont have the "opportunity" to be burned off, hence they are more likely to be stored as fat etc etc etc.

On an excess calorie diet - I would agree with that statement.


On monitored cals it simply isnt true.....



You didnt address my point.....that being why do you suggest eating fats and protein late in the day but not carbs????


That implies that total calorie levels do not matter.

 

[treilin]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

I would have about 50% of your diet as protein. Increase water if not already doing so. Add green tea to your diet as its a natural thermogenic. Carbs well. Depends on the glycemic index as well. First meal and after training still might need a mid gly carb. Hard to tell because I dont know everything about how you train etc. That is something to question at this point as well.

Water has increased over the past 2 months to 6-8 qts.. I was drinking roughly 2 qt's at the beginning of this time.
Green tea I use in a cut. It's one of the things I keep for that time.
I thought you saw the plan when SBT was there?!?! Which is why you suggested that she should switch to your training plan.....

 

[florencia]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

Confusion grows!!!
I workout early 6 a.m.
Before weights I eat egg whites/protein-raw oats/carb almonds
Have kept no fat post workout AGAIN egg whites/protein-raw oats/carb
Before bed I have been eating egg whites and ANPB...I try NOT to eat carbs after 4:00
p.m. Sometimes it seems to work sometimes bloat...

 

[The Shadow]

Re: Treils 2006 Competition Log

O.k. so someone explain to me then why my body fat increased?!?! All I eat before bed is fat and protein, hardly no carbs at my meal prior been this way for the past.

My way to increase cals was to increase the protein and fat macros' over the carbs. (Future's way of thinking and what I thought at that point) So since I switched to this initially I saw a drop but now I'm stabilizing in doing so I have had no BF loss, only some BF gain.


If I drop carbs like Future suggests lower carbs I should be dropping fat but not what my stats show.. CONFUSED over here about all this...

Easy:

1 - you increased TOTAL CALORIES.......it would not have mattered had you eaten carbs and protein as opposed to protein and fat(assuming total cals were the same)....more than you were burning

2 - Dropping carbs has a direct impact on the following:

a - anabolic state
b - increased catabolism
c - drop in recovery time
d - drop in natural thyroid output
e - metabolic rate

and to a lesser extent


3 - other issues


a-e are backed by scientific fact.