Read this volume lovers and learn something

[Tom Treutlein]

I agree with Casual. This is why no one routine fits the needs of others. One must find at what point he/she can efficiently recover from the previous workout session, then train again. Once you recover fully, there really is no reason to wait to train again. This, to me, makes the most sense.

 

[JKurz1]

Agreed - voulme = growth, if performed correcly........never got into this 1-2 set shit........kind of like blowing up a balloon..........

 

[needsize]

I have tons of experience with both ends of the spectrum, super high volume and low 1-2 set volume, and I have not made any noticeable gains from either extreme. All mine have come from being in the middle, like the routine I have posted now

 

[Lord_Suston]

Yet most people seem to think that just because someone is big or strong they must know what they're talking about. Many of these guys succeed IN SPITE of their training, not BECAUSE of it. Incredible genetics and/or lots of gear make this possible.

Please do not make a blanket post, don't deny these guy the respect they deserve by going to the gym and busting their ass. Their training could be better but but do not trash them, cause at this point and time they are at a level which you nor I are at...

if you want to debate their methods then go ahead, but to criticize them on one article is hard, I believe Dorian took some kind of anabolics and train 4x every 6 days, 3 excercises 2 work sets . so compared to DC he is high volume.

 

[FatRat]

Two words: diminishing returns.

For one single bout of exercise, will 10 sets make you grow more than 2? YES!

But like everything it's a balancing act. Can you do 10 sets and train again in 3 days? Probably not.

But if you can keep your frequency the same while increasing volume, you will grow more. The key is to find exactly how much you can handle without overtraining and continually skirt that border. Then gains come like holy jeez.

Agree 100%.

As for not listening to a big guys opinion, it’s the same as any advice, you have to take each case as you find it. Listen, and make your own judgment. What is wrong is for ANYONE to preach that their way is the only way, no matter what size or experience they have.

 

[muscledog95]

True...but who would you rather listen to? A guy who is huge and has been lifting for 10 yrs and throws up heavy weight, or someone thats only lifting for a couple yrs. Ill take the first one

 

[Debaser]

You don't have to make that judgement from knowing only those 2 facts. How about listening to what they have to say first, and then deciding who you'll listen to?

There's a guy in my gym that has been training for 10 years, and still thinks that dumbell bench presses are for definition and barbell is for mass. Similarly, there are a lot of guys out there that have spent a lot of time training and still don't know what the hell they're talking about.

 

[b fold the truth]

I'm GLAD that Dorian Yates isn't one of those BIG guys in the gym, OR someone who uses AAS in their training. We ALL know that the big guys, or the ones on AAS, know little to NOTHING about getting big or strong...



B True

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Two words: diminishing returns.

For one single bout of exercise, will 10 sets make you grow more than 2? YES!

But like everything it's a balancing act. Can you do 10 sets and train again in 3 days? Probably not.

But if you can keep your frequency the same while increasing volume, you will grow more. The key is to find exactly how much you can handle without overtraining and continually skirt that border. Then gains come like holy jeez.

Good post. I think that went over the heads of a couple bro's. None-the-less, its a very logical statement, and it makes sense.

 

[Debaser]

I'm GLAD that Dorian Yates isn't one of those BIG guys in the gym, OR someone who uses AAS in their training. We ALL know that the big guys, or the ones on AAS, know little to NOTHING about getting big or strong...



B True

Just because there are guys that know what they're talking about who are big and strong, doesn't mean that just because you're big and strong you must know what you're talking about. Squares are rectangles but rectangles are not squares.

DC is a case in point. ENORMOUS guy, really knows his shit. But I didn't judge that JUST BECAUSE HE IS BIG AND STRONG. I came to that conclusion for a few reasons:

1. He has average genetics at best, and has added 160 lbs of mostly muscle to his frame. His juice dosages were modest at best, lower than many of the guys I've seen here who are not even close to his bodyweight.

2. He has trained guys of all different ranges, genetically gifted to the trash heap, juiced to natural, guys with decades of experience and newbies, strongmen as well as bodybuilders. EVERY ONE MADE ASTOUNDING GAINS.

3. His principles just make sense. They aren't the same regurgitated garbage that is passed on and perpetuated by supplement companies (why would they want you to succeed?).

Now look at a guy like say, Flex Wheeler. He has superhuman genetics, including a proven mutated myostatin gene. Who knows what his list of drugs and dosages are, but it could very well be pretty damn high, given the company he's in. This is a guy who could grow by mowing lawns. He trains high volume and can easily get away with it for these reasons. Does this mean every person should listen to the opinion of someone who is genetically elite on tons of gear? Of course not. Being big and being knowledgeable are not mutually exclusive. You can be one, both, or neither. Being one does not necessarily lead to being the other.