pullup problems question

[Anthrax Invasion]

Its always a great feeling when you can hang weight off yourself and still pull yourself up with a wide grip. Good luck to you.

Agreed. I did that tonight, and I felt pretty awesome. I can't lower all the way without the plate hitting the floor though. That's badass. That's because I'm badass.

 

[fortunatesun]

There's a large disparity about squats being bad for your knees and back. Well, there was anyway. Didn't follow that, did you?

People make the mistake of thinking that:

A) Wider grip = wider lats. This is inherently false. In fact, the closer grip will also have you working across a slightly longer ROM, which is likely better anyway.

B) Using an overhand grip is harder, so it must be better. That is to say that, since it's difficult, it's reasonable to think it's more effective. In reality, it's only harder 'cause you have less than optimal bicep recruitment, so you're losing something in the lift. A chinup recruits the lats optimally (moreso than pullups) as well as the biceps. This is why it is "easier". You can load it heavier and thusly make better progress.

The only thing I can see worth arguing is that the pullup works the lats as a humeral adductor, chinups a shoulder extensor. Big discrepancy? Probably not, but it might have a slightly different effect. If you're a bodybuilder profressionally, maybe toy with it. Or if you're looking for a challenge in terms of leverage. Otherwise, stick to chinups.

Okedoke. I'm not bodybuilding, just thinking in terms of functional strength. I'll experiment a bit longer just to make sure, but thanks for clearing up my point of view.

 

[DZLS]

You switched from supinated to pronated? That'd be your reason right there, really. Also, going to a wider grip will give the biceps a poor line of pull compared to a closer one. The optimal line of pull will be when your elbows come along your sides with a closer grip.

It's rare to have anyone do more pronated than supinated, simply because you're using your musculature more effectively with an underhand/supinated grip. It's the same as benching with an arch. Learn to use it, and you can put up more weight due to leverages. In the end the main thing is making progress as we all know. 'course, you gotta try and get the best bang for your buck with compounds, and I feel chinups do this perfectly.

dead on IMO...

 

[maldorf]

I don't see the logic behind doing pullups over wide grip chins. Sure you can use more weight, but this is because your biceps are doing more of the work during pullups. Why not isolate the lats more and make them do most of the work, as in the chins with pronated grip? I also like to do my rows with a pronated grip and false too, with my thumbs over top of the bar. Trying to take the biceps out of the movements as much as I can.

 

[Guinness5.0]

I sometimes get quite sore in my pecs after a tough pullup session. They seem to act as stabilizers, esp. if you do 'em fast and try to keep yourself from swinging around. One thing I've always found odd is how the triceps act as stabilizers on rows.

Wild stuff, this body.

 

[silver_shadow]

There's a large disparity about squats being bad for your knees and back. Well, there was anyway. Didn't follow that, did you?

People make the mistake of thinking that:

A) Wider grip = wider lats. This is inherently false. In fact, the closer grip will also have you working across a slightly longer ROM, which is likely better anyway.

B) Using an overhand grip is harder, so it must be better. That is to say that, since it's difficult, it's reasonable to think it's more effective. In reality, it's only harder 'cause you have less than optimal bicep recruitment, so you're losing something in the lift. A chinup recruits the lats optimally (moreso than pullups) as well as the biceps. This is why it is "easier". You can load it heavier and thusly make better progress.

The only thing I can see worth arguing is that the pullup works the lats as a humeral adductor, chinups a shoulder extensor. Big discrepancy? Probably not, but it might have a slightly different effect. If you're a bodybuilder profressionally, maybe toy with it. Or if you're looking for a challenge in terms of leverage. Otherwise, stick to chinups.

yes this one comes up alot just like pulldowns/chins/pullups will enhance lat width and rows enhance lat thickness

 

[kgarto]

I'll switch to chins. I was one of the ppl who bought into the "wider grip = wider lats", and the "pronated is better because it's harder". Food for thought, thanks for that.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

I'll switch to chins. I was one of the ppl who bought into the "wider grip = wider lats", and the "pronated is better because it's harder". Food for thought, thanks for that.

No problem, glad to help.

 

[DZLS]

No problem, glad to help.

:wtf:

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

:wtf:

Just kidding - tool!