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wanabejacked
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SO basically everyone has a bit of a different take on the subject. I took a time release protein shake that I have in the Am (only 20 g's of protein) before I went to bed. I'll give it a whirl for a week or two. I take it trail and error is going to be the way to go?
Protein will illicit an insulin response after it's been converted to glucose otherwise it illicits glucagon (the opposite of insulin). If you have carbs post workout you can keep your protein as protein. And again you miss the point though. It's not just the response it's the level of response causing an excess of insulin in the blood that will stay with you into the night because your glucose is still present, that you are trying to avoid. Having the excess insulin "prevents fat cells from
releasing their contents to burn for energy, and causes cells to store additional fat".
Give yourself a break bro. You need to understand this a little better.
releasing their contents to burn for energy, and causes cells to store additional fat".
Give yourself a break bro. You need to understand this a little better.
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Lifterforlife
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Think about this scenario, and maybe it will "enlighten". Say you work out in the morning, and your goal is fat burning. Ok, after your workout, you are in an energy deficit, what meal would you choose to eat?
You would want a low glycemic, high protein meal to let any lypolisis that you incurred in your workout continue unabated(no insulin response). So, a good choice would be for instance, a good animal source of protein, 1/2 cup or so of beans, and a cup of vegetables for instance.
Ok, this is fine now. Now you go to work, and you have a job that exerts no energy expenditure, like sitting at a desk all day. Would fat burn keep happening in this instance? If the answer is yes here, what would the difference be if you have an energy deficit at night, ate the same meal, and went to bed. Would it somehow ellicit an insulin response that the earlier meal did not?
It would be much more catabolic to go to bed on an empty stomach, or even with just a protein shake. In fact, protein by itself can and does raise insulin nicely. Whereas a mixed meal would blunt any insulin much better.
We need to use common sense.....if you are in an energy deficit, you need to feed the body. This is nutrition 101. Now if you train early, and eat all day, chances are good it is not a good idea to have the carb meal, unless you just don't care and are on an all out bulk. You have to realize what your body needs, and give it to it.
You would want a low glycemic, high protein meal to let any lypolisis that you incurred in your workout continue unabated(no insulin response). So, a good choice would be for instance, a good animal source of protein, 1/2 cup or so of beans, and a cup of vegetables for instance.
Ok, this is fine now. Now you go to work, and you have a job that exerts no energy expenditure, like sitting at a desk all day. Would fat burn keep happening in this instance? If the answer is yes here, what would the difference be if you have an energy deficit at night, ate the same meal, and went to bed. Would it somehow ellicit an insulin response that the earlier meal did not?
It would be much more catabolic to go to bed on an empty stomach, or even with just a protein shake. In fact, protein by itself can and does raise insulin nicely. Whereas a mixed meal would blunt any insulin much better.
We need to use common sense.....if you are in an energy deficit, you need to feed the body. This is nutrition 101. Now if you train early, and eat all day, chances are good it is not a good idea to have the carb meal, unless you just don't care and are on an all out bulk. You have to realize what your body needs, and give it to it.
Lifterforlife
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Ulter said:
What???? What "additional fat" are the cells are going to store during a hypocaloric diet?
And insulin is not the be all end all of diet. How would you explain how people can still gain fat eating a hypercaloric ketogenic diet, during which insulin levels are going to be pretty negligable.
Think about what you are saying. I think it is someone else who needs to understand this a bit better.
Whoa!! Now you're going to rewrite the thread and make it about a keto dieter?
First you're saying adding carbs is fine and now the person is on a keto diet. How did that happen?
Figure out what your argument is and present it. But don't change it mid-stream.
Yes it's catabolic to go to bed on an empty stomach. Protein and fat will take care of that problem though. Carbs just make you fatter if you don't clear them before bed. That's the whole discussion here.
No, protein by itself, as protein, is not going to "raise insulin nicely". Luckily
First you're saying adding carbs is fine and now the person is on a keto diet. How did that happen?
Figure out what your argument is and present it. But don't change it mid-stream.
Yes it's catabolic to go to bed on an empty stomach. Protein and fat will take care of that problem though. Carbs just make you fatter if you don't clear them before bed. That's the whole discussion here.
No, protein by itself, as protein, is not going to "raise insulin nicely". Luckily
Lifterforlife
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Ulter said:
Sorry bro...that won't work. I did in no way change the argument. I simply presented a scenario to you that shows insulin is not the be all end all of diet.
I like your tactics, but save them for the GNC crowd.
wanabejacked
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Well I thank everyone that has posted. I am a true newbee and have a whole lot to learn. That is why I think this site is great. I honestly think I am getting ahead of myself. I am not energy deficit at all. I am a high energy person to begin with. I am looking to put on 15-20 pounds of muscle but be cut up as well.
1. no one said anything about insulin being the end all diet. In fact NOTHING was said about insulin being used in the diet or as part of the diet or even what the diet was. What on earth are you talking about? Are you on the same thread?Lifterforlife said:Sorry bro...that won't work. I did in no way change the argument. I simply presented a scenario to you that shows insulin is not the be all end all of diet.
I like your tactics, but save them for the GNC crowd.
2. You absolutely presented another sideways argument to what you were saying. In post 11 you were arguing against carbs not being bad at night and then even though that was still the discussion you changed to a keto diet.
3. You are the GNC crowd. You haven't presented any valid argument to your point, nor have you addressed the discussion after it was pointed out your argument was flawed. Basically you've removed yourself from the discussion by not addressing any aspect of it.
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