Preventing gyno : Can we imagine a plan 100% sure ?

[Hiver13]

Hey guys,
I'm gonna have surgery for my gyno, I will pay so much for that, that I want to be sure to never see gyno again with my next cycles.

I have a few questions :

1) Is bloodwork usefull to check estradiol ? I've never seen somebody doing a bloodwork during cycle to check that.
2) I wanted to take arimidex during cycle, aromasin during pct. Best thing to do right ?
3) Nolva helps preventing gyno during pct but nolva is hated on this board and
I can't use if with Nandrolone. Is aromasin enough ?
4) I think it is a good idea to have both Letro and Cabergoline (Dostinex) on hand. Right ? If i get gyno can I use both to reverse it, does it really work ?
5) Any advice to adjust the AI during cycle ? No idea of the dosage with new roids. You're supposed to take more AI when you begins to find kitties cute, I guess ? Or when you gain 20 pounds of water retension ? Seriously how do you feel the necessity to adjust the AI without bloodwork ?
6) Can you get a E rebound with letro ? With arimidex ? How prevent it ?

Thanks

Ps : here is a gyno reverse protocol :

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your post cycle therapy (pct) so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular post cycle therapy (pct).

 

[Mr. Chicago]

I would say question one, yes wouldn't hurt. 2 and 3 I'm going with correct. Question 4 depends on what you're taking. Question 5 I start with .5 dex twice a week and that seems to be more than sufficient, I can probable even drop it to .25 but then again I'm not gyno prone, just try not to go overkill with your AI could have some nasty sides, start at .5 twice a week and adjust accordingly, just because you've gotten gyno in the past you need to think "what may have caused it?" I know gyno sucks and especially after surgery you want to be cautious but do not just jump into 1mg a day bc you're afraid of getting it again. Question 6 of course you can but as your thread title reads there's nothing that is 100%, you're going to get some form of rebound and if you're going to get gyno sometimes there's nothing that can be done about it, just stay away from compounds you know you react badly to and good luck bro. After paying all that money for surgery I would be very cautious as to what I did.

 

[Jbranken]

Hey guys,
I'm gonna have surgery for my gyno, I will pay so much for that, that I want to be sure to never see gyno again with my next cycles.

I have a few questions :

1) Is bloodwork usefull to check estradiol ? I've never seen somebody doing a bloodwork during cycle to check that.

Seriously? Everyone should have this done during their cycle to make sure their ai is properly dialed in

2) I wanted to take arimidex during cycle, aromasin during pct. Best thing to do right ?

Not exactly. Aromasin is a far superior aromatase inhibitor to adex. As someone who is gyno prone, you should opt for it over anything else on cycle and after

3) Nolva helps preventing gyno during pct but nolva is hated on this board and
I can't use if with Nandrolone. Is aromasin enough ?

Yes, and caber

4) I think it is a good idea to have both Letro and Cabergoline (Dostinex) on hand. Right ? If i get gyno can I use both to reverse it, does it really work ?

It depends. Are we talking about estrogen or prolactin related issues?

5) Any advice to adjust the AI during cycle ? No idea of the dosage with new roids. You're supposed to take more AI when you begins to find kitties cute, I guess ? Or when you gain 20 pounds of water retension ? Seriously how do you feel the necessity to adjust the AI without bloodwork ?

If you're gaining that much water weight, your ai isn't dialed in correctly. Get yor bloodwork done

6) Can you get a E rebound with letro ? With arimidex ? How prevent it ?

Opt for aromasin over adex and if using letro, taper off as slowly as possible then follow up with an OTC ai such as liquidex or something that isn't near as aggressive as RX a.i.'s

Thanks

Ps : here is a gyno reverse protocol :

These are basic knowledge questions that you don't know the answers to. It's no surprise that you got gyno with your steroid knowledge. Continue reading bro

 

[zazen5]

Don't do steroids then. Can u lift 1000 lbs on any lift when using roids? If the answer is no, fuck it, stop.

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[Jbranken]

Don't do steroids then. Can u lift 1000 lbs on any lift when using roids? If the answer is no, fuck it, stop.

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Rather than trolling threads, you should try to make some sort of contribution or say nothing at all when someone needs serious advice.

 

[Mr. Chicago]

Haha I just made fun of one of this french canadian bitches thread before this, is he serious 1,000 lbs. get the fuck outta here ya 16 yr. old troll!

 

[zazen5]

Haha I just made fun of one of this french canadian bitches thread before this, is he serious 1,000 lbs. get the fuck outta here ya 16 yr. old troll!

I'm 42 u fuck, read my profile u lazy asshole

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[Hiver13]

@JBranken : thanks a loot bro thats what I wanted to hear.
@trolls : fuck you this topic is serious.

SO here is my best plan to avoid gyno

- Use Aromasin during and after cycle, tapper off at the end to avoid E rebound. (even if aromasin doesn't make a great rebound I don't want to take ANY risk)
- Keep Letro (E gyno) and Cabergoline (Prolactine gyno) on hand to reverse it if gyno appears. Tapper off letro at the end and (optional) replace it with a natural AI.
- Get bloodwork done and check E2 (estradiol) at week 3 to see if AI is well adjusted.
- Keep an eye of the eventual signs of high E : water retention, emotionality, and check your nipples.
- If the steroid can get along with nolvadex, use nolva @20 ED during pct.

 

[Jbranken]

It is serious advice you fuck, read my profile before you comment u ignorant fuck. Serious advice? Don't use roids unless your income depends on it. What is the fucking point when I can lift more than some of these guys on roids and then they get left with all these issues? Fucking stupid shits.

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Your post had nothing to do with the thread topic. Control your temper or I'll make you go away. Thanks

 

[zazen5]

Your post had nothing to do with the thread topic. Control your temper or I'll make you go away. Thanks

That's OK consider it your blessing to hear from me, I'm not going to comment further on this topic because there's nothing in it for me. Have a nice life....

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[Jbranken]

That's OK consider it your blessing to hear from me, I'm not going to comment further on this topic because there's nothing in it for me. Have a nice life....

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Bye bye now


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[Jbranken]

@JBranken : thanks a loot bro thats what I wanted to hear.
@trolls : fuck you this topic is serious.

SO here is my best plan to avoid gyno

- Use Aromasin during and after cycle, tapper off at the end to avoid E rebound. (even if aromasin doesn't make a great rebound I don't want to take ANY risk)
- Keep Letro (E gyno) and Cabergoline (Prolactine gyno) on hand to reverse it if gyno appears. Tapper off letro at the end and (optional) replace it with a natural AI.
- Get bloodwork done and check E2 (estradiol) at week 3 to see if AI is well adjusted.
- Keep an eye of the eventual signs of high E : water retention, emotionality, and check your nipples.
- If the steroid can get along with nolvadex, use nolva @20 ED during pct.

Good plan! Stick to that and I think you'll do great.


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[NYMan203]

When taking letro to get rid of gyno do you guy suggest taking an anti estrogen with it or after it in pct in order to prevent it's rebound effects? If so, which anti-e do you recommend?

 

[NYMan203]

Bump

 

[luwbz]

should never get gyno on cycle if you keep Oestrogen and Prolactin in control.
but finding the right dosage and frequency for those effects may be tricky, so going a bit high on the dosages may be best at first, until you realise that oestrogen is too low

 

[NYMan203]

I've never done roids. This is pubertal

 

[matter2003]

You can also take extra zinc in the short term, like 200mg a day to prevent gyno as it downregulates the aromatase enzyme. Actually in Eastern Europe this is what was used as an AI at times and it worked well

 

[NYMan203]

Never knew that. Thanks I'm definitely gonna try that

 

[matter2003]

@JBranken : thanks a loot bro thats what I wanted to hear.
@trolls : fuck you this topic is serious.

SO here is my best plan to avoid gyno

- Use Aromasin during and after cycle, tapper off at the end to avoid E rebound. (even if aromasin doesn't make a great rebound I don't want to take ANY risk)
- Keep Letro (E gyno) and Cabergoline (Prolactine gyno) on hand to reverse it if gyno appears. Tapper off letro at the end and (optional) replace it with a natural AI.
- Get bloodwork done and check E2 (estradiol) at week 3 to see if AI is well adjusted.
- Keep an eye of the eventual signs of high E : water retention, emotionality, and check your nipples.
- If the steroid can get along with nolvadex, use nolva @20 ED during pct.

You don't get estrogen rebound from Aromasin---its simply impossible. Its a SSAI(suicidal). It completely destroys the binding capability of the aramotase enzyme and it takes many days even after stopping aromasin for new enzymes to be produced to even potentially get back to normal estrogen levels, unlike Arimidex which selectively binds to it and which with you CAN and usually do get estrogen rebound.

 

[NYMan203]

So would you recommend using aromasin after tapering off Letro in order to prevent the rebound effects of Letro or would it be a better idea to take aromasin alongside Letro and continuing the aromasin after finishing the Letro. I'm just trying to be as cautious as possible and as preventative as possible when it comes to rebound.

 

[matter2003]

So would you recommend using aromasin after tapering off Letro in order to prevent the rebound effects of Letro or would it be a better idea to take aromasin alongside Letro and continuing the aromasin after finishing the Letro. I'm just trying to be as cautious as possible and as preventative as possible when it comes to rebound.

Dude are you serious?

You need to read up and get an understanding of how these compounds work before using them.

 

[NYMan203]

I've been reading for weeks I'm trying to get rid of gyno that's why I'm asking questions I'm trying to get an idea of everything and how to prevent the rebound effects before I put anything in my body

 

[matter2003]

I've been reading for weeks I'm trying to get rid of gyno that's why I'm asking questions I'm trying to get an idea of everything and how to prevent the rebound effects before I put anything in my body

Just take letro and taper off it slowly to avoid any rebound effects...letro is super strong tho, so be careful on the dosage...

 

[NYMan203]

Just take letro and taper off it slowly to avoid any rebound effects...letro is super strong tho, so be careful on the dosage...

So you think that would be the better route for existing gyno even tho Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor? Because the way it sounds is that Aromasin won't have rebound effects the way letro would I just wan't sure it could be used for already existing gyno.

 

[NYMan203]

My gyno is not super terrible that's why I'm asking if aromasin attacks existing gyno. Because if it would treat the gyno I have right now which is from puberty I would rather take that since it is suicidal and I wouldn't have to worry about rebound like I would with letro which I've run before under the guidance of someone who once I started they disappeared and what started with great results ended in rebound back to having gyno.

 

[matter2003]

So you think that would be the better route for existing gyno even tho Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor? Because the way it sounds is that Aromasin won't have rebound effects the way letro would I just wan't sure it could be used for already existing gyno.

Clinically, letro is the only thing that has been shown to get rid of gyno once the tissue has formed...